Deep Dive into Dees Issues

[Demonland 73,324]

 

[Megatron 886]

11 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

It’s not all doom and gloom which I was anticipating as I opened the link.

[sue 9,156]

Let's just hope he is right and the deficiencies are fixed asap.

[Gorgoroth 13,153]

The most glaring part is the fact they all see what we see. We don’t change in game. He doesn’t try and change the game.and once the ball gets out of the congestion they know they will kill us.

[Adam The God 30,554]

11 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

The most glaring part is the fact they all see what we see. We don’t change in game. He doesn’t try and change the game.and once the ball gets out of the congestion they know they will kill us.

This is why Goodwin will be gone at the end of the season, particularly if we don't look like making finals.

Backing in the system is fine if it's worked consistently and if selections are correct. It's very rare we get both of those right.

I'm surprised how balanced it is and IMO it shows how highly rated our list is externally.

It's a matter of getting structures and coaching right now. And obviously intensity and effort (see the Port game).

Edited August 3, 2020 by A F

[Half forward flank 1,022]

It sounds like Goodwin has brought his own playing attributes to his coaching. Contest work.

[ding 5,126]

We have too many Coaches who cant (Coach)

                        AND

Too many Footballers who cant Football. (A few who can handball though)

 

Now, which Adelaide kid wins the Rising Star nod this week?

 

[Demonland 73,324]

13 minutes ago, ding said:

We have too many Coaches who cant (Coach)

                        AND

Too many Footballers who cant Football. (A few who can handball though)

 

Now, which Adelaide kid wins the Rising Star nod this week?

 

Paging @Supermercado for his nomination for the Kent Kingsley Award

[Lord Travis 10,785]

Nice little write up by an ex poster! Robs seriously knows his football and already has a lot of coaching experience for someone his age. Hoping the club reaches out to him about a coaching position in future.... he's die hard red and blue!

It does beggar belief that our problems are so obvious to even casual football watchers at this point. Headed for back to back bottom four finishes. Surely the coaching staff gets overhauled at the end of the year!

[TRIGON 4,792]

51 minutes ago, A F said:

This is why Goodwin will be gone at the end of the season, particularly if we don't look like making finals.

Backing in the system is fine if it's worked consistently and if selections are correct. It's very rare we get both of those right.

I'm surprised how balanced it is and IMO it shows how highly rated our list is externally.

It's a matter of getting structures and coaching right now. And obviously intensity and effort (see the Port game).

Sacked in a calm and measured way?

[drdrake 3,202]

Wasn't really that deep, pretty much an outsider making a pretty basic comments.  

Why do we not have the forward 50m pressure, simple our players have pushed to high up the ground and we are always kicking to a 1 v 3.  Our ball movement is appalling and doesn't give our players the confidence to work hard forward as they know we are likely to turn the footy over and their player is waiting over the back for an easy transition.

Until we can address our skill level, no matter what game plan it will be ineffective.  We have to control the football, once you control the football you can dictate on how the game is going to be played. 

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

4 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Nice little write up by an ex poster! Robs seriously knows his football and already has a lot of coaching experience for someone his age. Hoping the club reaches out to him about a coaching position in future.... he's die hard red and blue!

It does beggar belief that our problems are so obvious to even casual football watchers at this point. Headed for back to back bottom four finishes. Surely the coaching staff gets overhauled at the end of the year!

It will! 

Have heard some talk that the football dept has been officially put on notice and the club is making enquiries about an extensive external review of the entire football department 

seemingly the executive branch of the club agrees that the current situation is not one that will see us having any serious success in the near future and may need to change. 

in saying that, it doesn't mean Goody can't coach, or shouldn't be the coach. i just think it really says the game plan, and culture at present isn't working and needs to be overhauled. Buckley and Hardwick have undergone transformations like this in recent memory. hopefully Goody can learn from them.

[tiers 2,868]

When we had Jesse we kicked the ball to land on his head in a 1 v 3 contest. That he scored so many goals is a credit to him, not the coach, club or team.

Without Jesse a the main target, we seem to kick to anyone in the forward line who is at best one on one or more likely 1 v 2 and in an unfavourable position. No wonder the ball comes out quicker than it goes in. This has been an issue since the days when we lost matches with a 50% advantage in inside 50s. It has gone on for too long.

The whole world can see it except for the coaches and the players. It's now 11.55 pm on the change clock. Get changing.

[Adam The God 30,554]

15 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Nice little write up by an ex poster! Robs seriously knows his football and already has a lot of coaching experience for someone his age. Hoping the club reaches out to him about a coaching position in future.... he's die hard red and blue!

It does beggar belief that our problems are so obvious to even casual football watchers at this point. Headed for back to back bottom four finishes. Surely the coaching staff gets overhauled at the end of the year!

Interesting.

Didn't realise he was a former poster or that he was Melbourne. No wonder he was so balanced.  

15 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

Sacked in a calm and measured way?

I think a bottom 2 finish and another season where we miss finals altogether is untenable, from where we were two years ago. It's completely unacceptable and I think the board would be well within its rights to sack, unless there is a significant turnaround in performance and coaching. 

[Adam The God 30,554]

11 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

It will! 

Have heard some talk that the football dept has been officially put on notice and the club is making enquiries about an extensive external review of the entire football department 

seemingly the executive branch of the club agrees that the current situation is not one that will see us having any serious success in the near future and may need to change. 

in saying that, it doesn't mean Goody can't coach, or shouldn't be the coach. i just think it really says the game plan, and culture at present isn't working and needs to be overhauled. Buckley and Hardwick have undergone transformations like this in recent memory. hopefully Goody can learn from them.

Great post as usual mate.

The Hardwick example in particular was the administrative arm taking action and changing things up and four years on they could have 3 flags in the bag.

Obviously, the Collingwood review was pushed by the administrative arm too, but hasn't reaped the reward yet / may not.

Clearly the club backed Goodwin and Mahoney's internal review last season, and I'd argued have already stuck by the coach when they could have flicked him at the end of last year given the horrendous nature of the season.

Instead, it backed him with a new fitness boss and said let's see you give it your best shot. So far, it would be an understatement to say our performance hasn't been up to standard in 2020.

[pitmaster 3,588]

1 hour ago, A F said:

This is why Goodwin will be gone at the end of the season, particularly if we don't look like making finals.

 

I doubt any coach is facing the axe because Covid has destroyed the game's economics. As odd as this time is, coaches have never been safer than they are right now.

[Lucifers Hero 40,492]

13 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

It will! 

Have heard some talk that the football dept has been officially put on notice and the club is making enquiries about an extensive external review of the entire football department 

seemingly the executive branch of the club agrees that the current situation is not one that will see us having any serious success in the near future and may need to change. 

in saying that, it doesn't mean Goody can't coach, or shouldn't be the coach. i just think it really says the game plan, and culture at present isn't working and needs to be overhauled. Buckley and Hardwick have undergone transformations like this in recent memory. hopefully Goody can learn from them.

Many on here and especially @rjay and I were pushing for an external review more than 18 months ago.  Obvious what the issues were.

But what did the club do 2019 post season - they let Mahoney review his own department.  Good changes were made to the fitness and analytics side.  But abysmal decisions on the coaching side.

Meantime we have lost a year and our talented players a one year closer to being Free Agents.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Diamond_Jim 12,658]

6 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

in saying that, it doesn't mean Goody can't coach, or shouldn't be the coach. i just think it really says the game plan, and culture at present isn't working and needs to be overhauled. Buckley and Hardwick have undergone transformations like this in recent memory. hopefully Goody can learn from them.

we have known that for the last 12 months and it was re enforced in Round 1 after which he had a three month break and then in rounds 2 and 3 etc he doubles down with his small forward line.

Not sure this guy is capable of learning

If you want to look at two contrasting examples look how Hardwick played with a young team by slowing the game down against the dogs and keeping his two key talls deep forward. Against Port (ladder leader and fast team) we just go business as usual.

[BillyBeane 254]

"Tactically Melbourne have become a side that backs in their system and does not make many adjustments during a game."

...Or over 4 years (being slightly facetious)

[Adam The God 30,554]

7 minutes ago, pitmaster said:

I doubt any coach is facing the axe because Covid has destroyed the game's economics. As odd as this time is, coaches have never been safer than they are right now.

The game's economics are based on membership and winning, brand value etc.

If we finish outside the 8, the board would argue to the AFL that results under Goodwin are untenable and that if change is not made, the economic repercussions are far worse.

We're talking about a multi-billion dollar industry that has the security of two big banks that it can leverage loans and funds from. In this situation, the AFL will cough up the cash under certain conditions. 

[Hogan2014 390]

27 minutes ago, tiers said:

When we had Jesse we kicked the ball to land on his head in a 1 v 3 contest. That he scored so many goals is a credit to him, not the coach, club or team.

Without Jesse a the main target, we seem to kick to anyone in the forward line who is at best one on one or more likely 1 v 2 and in an unfavourable position. No wonder the ball comes out quicker than it goes in. This has been an issue since the days when we lost matches with a 50% advantage in inside 50s. It has gone on for too long.

The whole world can see it except for the coaches and the players. It's now 11.55 pm on the change clock. Get changing.

Whats that saying about our recruitment strategy?? No clubs fault hogan  wanted to  back home etc but why go after another defender & nothing against May but GC used pick 6 to get King who we should have replaced for Hogan understanding  would need to develop. We have over invested  in defenders & our Fwd line can't function & the ball comes back out faster then it goes in!

[Adam The God 30,554]

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Many on here and especially @rjay and I were pushing for this more than 18 months ago.  Obvious what the issues were and still are.

But what did the club do 2019 post season the club - they let Mahoney review his own department.  Good changes were made to the fitness and analytics side.  But abysmal decisions on the coaching side.

Meantime we have lost a year and our talented players a one year closer to being Free Agents.

What's done is done. Let's accept we made mistakes and move forward properly. Review the FD now, so that we know how to act come the end of the season.

If we end up turning it around, great, if not, we know which triggers need to be pulled.

[sue 9,156]

3 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

Whats that saying about our recruitment strategy?? No clubs fault hogan  wanted to  back home etc but why go after another defender & nothing against May but GC used pick 6 to get King who we should have replaced for Hogan understanding  would need to develop. We have over invested  in defenders & our Fwd line can't function & the ball comes back out faster then it goes in!

Perhaps the club was misled by how well we played in some matches that Hogan missed.

[Lucifers Hero 40,492]

6 minutes ago, A F said:

What's done is done. Let's accept we made mistakes and move forward properly. Review the FD now, so that we know how to act come the end of the season.

If we end up turning it around, great, if not, we know which triggers need to be pulled.

Maybe it is the new curfew and shut downs but I'm not feeling as generous as your good self.

I wish I was confident the AFL will fund another staffing bail out for us.  Our predicament might just given them the ammo they need to merge clubs in post covid economics.  Many other clubs will say we have had enough chances and keep stuffing it up and will argue there is a fair chance we will do it again.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Lucifer's Hero

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

How  many more adjustments can we make to this list before the ‘window’ of has passed?