1 minute ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

I like JT.       Coaches/player development letting him down.

 

This.

Has brought in the cattle,  that is needed to play finals and big games. 

Look at Gus Brayshaw. His draft year he was one of the most genuine all round midfielders and remember thinking he'll be top player in the competition in a few years. Comes 3rd in a brownlow and then does nothing for 2 years.

Its very concerning that this could continue on next year if changes aren't made.

3 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

We got Jackson, Pickett and Rivers out of our last draft.

I'd say that was a clear win.

Well done Jason Taylor.

A clear win based on what? We had quality picks and the forcing a trade for Pickett is looking highly speculative.

Unsure about Jackson and Pickett so far, shown glimpses but I'll be happy to wait another year to see what they have. Rivers though looks a natural footballer with composure, unsure on leg speed but happy with him so far.

Just now, Watts the matter said:

A clear win based on what? We had quality picks and the forcing a trade for Pickett is looking highly speculative.

Based on, at least, Jackson and Rivers.  Pickett has had his moments, although he has certainly been up and down with his form.

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This.

Has brought in the cattle,  that is needed to play finals and big games. 

Look at Gus Brayshaw. His draft year he was one of the most genuine all round midfielders and remember thinking he'll be top player in the competition in a few years. Comes 3rd in a brownlow and then does nothing for 2 years.

Its very concerning that this could continue on next year if changes aren't made.

Thats depressing when you put it like that. Not to mention Goodwin continues to play Brayshaw everywhere but where he plays his best. Hmmm.

18 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Thats depressing when you put it like that. Not to mention Goodwin continues to play Brayshaw everywhere but where he plays his best. Hmmm.

Brayshaw is the exact kind of player that Dermott Brerton was criticising in half time of the GWS vs Adelaide game; he said Goodwin is being too nice and there is too many players who drink their own bathwater and Goodwin needs to call it out

Dear Jason Taylor,

Thank you so much for Trent Rivers.  

We love him.

Sincerely,

Most Melbourne supporters.

On 9/8/2020 at 6:41 PM, SFebes said:

Thats depressing when you put it like that. Not to mention Goodwin continues to play Brayshaw everywhere but where he plays his best. Hmmm.

gus needs to learn to contribute more effectively no matter his role

On 9/8/2020 at 6:37 PM, dazzledavey36 said:

This.

Has brought in the cattle,  that is needed to play finals and big games. 

Look at Gus Brayshaw. His draft year he was one of the most genuine all round midfielders and remember thinking he'll be top player in the competition in a few years. Comes 3rd in a brownlow and then does nothing for 2 years.

Its very concerning that this could continue on next year if changes aren't made.

People need to stop thinking the Brownlow finish meant anything. Brayshaw stole all of Gawn and Oliver's votes because he's nice to the umpires where as the other two talk back to them. 

We had an unsustainable game plan built around mids racking up stupid numbers of possessions and not doing any defensive work. We flooded numbers forwards and prayed the ball didn't get out the back. 

It's disappointing how much Gus has dropped off but the Brownlow finish wasn't close to a fair representation of his actual output.

In the 2018 draft class Taylor focused on hard working good character guys because the list needed an injection of professionalism from the ground up. When you've been a basketcase for over a decade it's not just as simple as the coach for reasons players form drops off.

The list isn't close to ready to consistently play in multiple finals. We've seen that with the reliance of 3 first year kids being best 22. We still have big holes on the wing, half back/half forward hard running flankers, a solid key back and probably and inside mid with pace and skill. 

I’ve had no issues with Jason’s recruiting, it’s our development that is puss. We seem to be great at making good footballers but not much else. 

Right now Trac and a Gawn are the odd ones out with Clarry being on the tipping point. 

On 9/8/2020 at 6:40 PM, Wiseblood said:

Based on, at least, Jackson and Rivers.  Pickett has had his moments, although he has certainly been up and down with his form.

FGSake the kid is 18/19 yo.

Has special skills etc and is only a shadow of the finished product.

Clearly Hannan AVB Bedford ANB and about 3 others are not grabbing a spot do Kossie is learning on the job!

Made a good fist of it last night just didn't finish off his goal kicking!

 

On 9/8/2020 at 6:28 PM, Elegt said:

Jackson and rivers very happy with. But very doubtful as to pickett costing us a first and second round pick. I think he will be a good player but he cost us too much 

What second round pick did it cost us for Kossie Isn't this  the North 1st rounder?

we needed to get a small forward  like Kossie or you would have been critical.

 

On 9/8/2020 at 6:39 PM, Watts the matter said:

A clear win based on what? We had quality picks and the forcing a trade for Pickett is looking highly speculative.

Egg on your face after lady night Wattsy ?

Just now, 58er said:

Egg on your face after lady night Wattsy ?

Last night !

On 8/11/2020 at 10:32 PM, goodwindees said:

With the benefit of time, Picks 2 & 20 for Tyson, Salem & Hunt has been a massive fail.  Nicest bloke you’d ever meet is Dom, but slow as a wet week and I can’t remember ever seeing a worse kick for a left footer, and he has absolutely no right side. 
Salem is a nice player and someone you’d have been happy to use a pick somewhere between 10 & 20 on.  Hunt is not quite AFL standard and will be delisted and not picked up by another Club. 
2 & 20 for that result is part of the reason we’re just a middle to lower side. 

Even with Kelly's sublime skills ( and substantial AFL funding GWS Has not won that flag after a decade.

Won't  this year and listblooking a bit ho hum  esp if Cameron departs 

On 9/8/2020 at 2:18 PM, Half forward flank said:

Except for the fact

Jackson is not a natural forward. He is a ruck/follower.

Kozzie having the pace of Hunt is meaningless if he cant get the footy and better compose himself.

Rivers was  good choice.

Remember blokes like Taylor are paid handsomely and they dont pick these kids out of the back blocks. They are on show all year. We need to kick  goals and we have missed the opportunity to draft a future key forward.

Wrong wrong wrong HFF 

Jackson is a generational player like Nic Nat A freelancer that can do many roles and Is a  free spirit.

He Is a forward winger on baller ruck and HFFlanker all in one and so good below his knees with superb judgement in handball ing skills (elite like Clarry) but more particular when and where.
 

Happier with Kossie last night BTW he is only 18/19!!!

Riv is A JT special and in this case the No 32 had delivered a Bonafide star. Credit where credit is due please.

Add Langdon ( especially) and Tommo (Handy utility prob depth in long term ) but didn't cost us and is a win for 2019.

We need a little hurry up from Sparrow Jordan And whoever we retain plus Bedford but have Lockhart from
2018.

JT has been good to very good considering Recently. 
 

 

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Egg on your face after lady night Wattsy ?

No. I can look objectively at my own clubs recruitment and further than one game. Pickett has shown some positive signs but you would think he just won the rising star with you bringing up my post. 

We have twice traded our first rounders forward and I'm not convinced on this strategy. Glad you are, but clearly you are easily pleased.

 

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Wrong wrong wrong HFF 

Jackson is a generational player like Nic Nat A freelancer that can do many roles and Is a  free spirit.

He Is a forward winger on baller ruck and HFFlanker all in one and so good below his knees with superb judgement in handball ing skills (elite like Clarry) but more particular when and where.
 

Happier with Kossie last night BTW he is only 18/19!!!

Riv is A JT special and in this case the No 32 had delivered a Bonafide star. Credit where credit is due please.

Add Langdon ( especially) and Tommo (Handy utility prob depth in long term ) but didn't cost us and is a win for 2019.

We need a little hurry up from Sparrow Jordan And whoever we retain plus Bedford but have Lockhart from
2018.

JT has been good to very good considering Recently. 
 

 

You cant follow a conversation. I said Kozzie needs to find the ball. he did on Sat and thats great.

What is your problem with that.

Lots of green ticks for JT.  He is very very good.  If only he’d been at MFC for 2007-12.
I have every confidence in him getting us more and more quality kids.  

The only strange one is 2018 and I’d love to have a beer with him to discuss it  

We’d lost to the Eagles and had shown problems in pace and run.  I remember losing to the Saints in 2018 and thought we needed more young outside mids and wingers. I think JT was hoping for Xavier Duursma or perhaps Sam Sturt to be available but both were gone by our pick. 

Tom Sparrow at 27. He’s a good kid and will be good but unsure how he fits our midfield structure as we had 5-6 inside mids already proven on the books and needed the outside run and pace. Most draft watchers had him in the 45-60 range. Will Hamill from Stingrays had been ranked early 20s and I thought we were ready to pounce.  Hamill went to Crows at 30

James Jordan at 33.  Another young inside mid who can play outside and has skill. Was ranked about 60-rookie range so a big call at 33.  Again not sure he was our need. 
Bailey Williams was the big agile ruckman who dropped from top 15 range to be available.  Maybe because we had traded in Preuss was why we skipped on Williams.  Eagles stole him at 35. Sure we got Jackson as the next gen young ruckman but only because of a horrible MFC 2019. 
 

 

I remember we were in to Sturt prior to the draft

How long is JT signed up for....   he and Darren Burgess rule.

On 9/8/2020 at 6:28 PM, Elegt said:

Jackson and rivers very happy with. But very doubtful as to pickett costing us a first and second round pick. I think he will be a good player but he cost us too much 

They decided on the 3 players they wanted and they got them.

Analysing those selections against pick numbers without taking into account the entire draft, is an over-simplification of the situation.

If you don't trade up and take Kozzie, you probably don't get Rivers.

Also, Kozzie is a 19-year-old small forward. Complaining that he doesn't get enough of the ball is almost ludicrous. His impact in his first year has been significant.

I think Taylor has done a great job of analysing the talent without being influenced by hype. 

Edited September 14, 20204 yr by Cheesy D. Pun

19 minutes ago, Cheesy D. Pun said:

They decided on the 3 players they wanted and they got them.

Analysing those selections against pick numbers without taking into account the entire draft, is an over-simplification of the situation.

If you don't trade up and take Kozzie, you probably don't get Rivers.

Also, Kozzie is a 19-year-old small forward. Complaining that he doesn't get enough of the ball is almost ludicrous. His impact in his first year has been significant.

I think Taylor has done a great job of analysing the talent without being influenced by hype. 

Only correct after making the first trade. We already had a second rounder to get Rivers before swapping out our 2020 first rounder.

On 9/8/2020 at 6:28 PM, Elegt said:

Jackson and rivers very happy with. But very doubtful as to pickett costing us a first and second round pick. I think he will be a good player but he cost us too much 

What has that got to do with Taylor.