1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

Look, TMac's struggling, but the answer isn't OMac, and it may well not be Smith.

How do you know?

TMac does not disgrace the jumper has been a solid contributor but his time has come. One of many hard decisions the club has to make. The only positive about today it show where we are at and hopefully forces change

52 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

He's not a disgrace to the jumper. You may not want McDonald to play again but don't throw out dumb comments.

his half hearted efforts are

16 minutes ago, Elegt said:

his half hearted efforts are

As is too often the case, you're wrong.

His efforts are fine.

His ability is the problem.

13 minutes ago, Elegt said:

his half hearted efforts are

That's not what you said though Elegt. I'm not here to be an apologist for his recent performances but that's a far cry from the player being a 'disgrace to the jumper'. That's moving into keyboard warrior territory that's removed from the reality. And the reality is that Tom Mc Donald has been a great clubman of the Melbourne Football Club. Whenever he hangs up his boots, he can look back with pride at what he's achieved. Forums are for opinions but your opinion (this time) is ill-conceived and wrong.

33 minutes ago, Return to Glory said:

That's not what you said though Elegt. I'm not here to be an apologist for his recent performances but that's a far cry from the player being a 'disgrace to the jumper'. That's moving into keyboard warrior territory that's removed from the reality. And the reality is that Tom Mc Donald has been a great clubman of the Melbourne Football Club. Whenever he hangs up his boots, he can look back with pride at what he's achieved. Forums are for opinions but your opinion (this time) is ill-conceived and wrong.

Never said his careeer has been a disgrace, just his efforts this year. Consistently refuses to put his body on the line 

4 hours ago, Elegt said:

Never said his careeer has been a disgrace, just his efforts this year. Consistently refuses to put his body on the line 

I don't think it's his efforts it's his ability his knee must be stuffed the one he done against Carlton. I can't remember him being so slow and not being able to turn like he has this year. I think it's time to unleash Brown he's more mobile and quicker than Tommy.

One thing I'll say is that at least when T-mac tackles he tackles hard, wish I could say the same for some others. 

Maybe this is more out of hope than anything else but I reckon Tom is on the improve and was close to clunking a few marks in dangerous spots. Wouldn't be surprised if his form picks up over the next few weeks and kicks a few. While no where near his best from 2018, he's contesting in the air a lot better and he's timing his run and jump at the ball much better as well. Can only hope that him and Weideman are starting to understand and work well with each other in the forward line.

Having said all that, it is clear that we need to start planning a long term KPF partnership with Weideman post McDonald. If it's not Petty then I imagine we will have to look at trade or the draft.

On 8/15/2020 at 11:32 PM, adonski said:

No idea - maybe a late 2nd rounder from a team desperate for a forward who would take the punt he returns to form? I wonder if the Jackson selection was part influenced by the downfall of TMac in 2019. He would free up a fair bit of cap space too, should he depart.

Yep he would. Money to be used chasing outside talent. Qn is whether we’d have to pay some of his salary though.

He just looks slow and clumsy. honestly kind of looks like he's carrying a bit more weight than usual. i think if it were up to me i'd be having a word to Burgo about trying to help Tmac shed a couple of kilos and really get that mobility back. 

it worked for Steven May this off season, i reckon a full pre season, and a super lean and fit Tommy McDonald could bounce back hard in 2021

8 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Really don't know what to do with McDonald. 

Really thought last year was once off due to team performance. But this year he just hasn't been able to back it up.

Do we move him down back??

Please don't suggest this. He's a butcher back there. As soon as he went back to ruck a defensive stoppage he kicked it straight into a Bulldog who picked up the crumb and kicked an easy goal. As @DeeSpencer says, his problem is he overrates his abilities and doesn't play the percentages. That spells death in defence. Would get killed once the ball hits the deck too.

I think he plays out the season as a KPF and we look to trade him. The problem is we're a bit skint on KPFs. Weideman, Jackson, Petty(?) and Brown. You couldn't see the latter being on the list next year either.

If Richmond can build a forwardline around one KPF in 2017 and win the flag, then we shouldn't be afraid of the prospect of having Weideman and Jackson with a rotating ruckman down there.

Edited August 22, 20204 yr by A F

5 minutes ago, A F said:

Please don't suggest this. He's a butcher back there. As soon as he went back to ruck a defensive stoppage he kicked it straight into a Bulldog who picked up the crumb and kicked an easy goal. As @DeeSpencer says, his problem is he overrates his abilities and doesn't play the percentages. That spells death in defence. Would get killed once the ball hits the deck too.

I think he plays out the season as a KPF and we look to trade him. The problem is we're a bit skint on KPFs. Weideman, Jackson, Petty(?) and Brown. You couldn't see the latter being on the list next year either. If Richmond can build a forwardline around one KPF in 2017 and win the flag, then we shouldn't be afraid of the prospect of having Weideman and Jackson with a rotating ruckman down there.

Jacko could be anything, I see a lot of people saying we need to target a forward but Weid & Jacko looks the goods to me...? As you said, teams have made it work with one tall, let alone two. 

If we do trade him, maybe we could get Tom Phillips from the Pies and get the outside run that we really need in return. 

they could use a decent key forward. 

I forgot Joel Smith existed. If he is to be given a last chance to save his career it has to be as a forward as he is no backman that's for sure.

I'd gladly have him in ahead of T Mac.

Been a very good servant to the club but unfortunately the time has come 

38 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

If we do trade him, maybe we could get Tom Phillips from the Pies and get the outside run that we really need in return. 

they could use a decent key forward. 

Did you just call McDonald decent?

wtf?

4 hours ago, layzie said:

One thing I'll say is that at least when T-mac tackles he tackles hard, wish I could say the same for some others. 

when's that? If I was playing tag with Mcdonald he'd never lay a hand on me. He's super slow and has no lateral movement. 

I'd delist both McDonald's and show them the door.

8 hours ago, layzie said:

One thing I'll say is that at least when T-mac tackles he tackles hard, wish I could say the same for some others. 

Hes an awseome kicker at goal too. I think his body is collecting past debts. Yesterday was below par but the 2 games prior he had been working back into form.

However the games prior to those 2 and most of last year cannot be overlooked.No matter how many say hes doing his role in helping Weid, if hes not kicking goals hes not doing his complete job. Alas, probably time for him to move on.

We need another proven big power forward asap. As talented as Jackson and Weid are, I dont want us caught short again.

 

Edited August 22, 20204 yr by leave it to deever

Slow. 
slow. 
slow. 
 

he was too easily stepped around by both defenders. 
 

then he was half hearted. Offered nothing around the ground when he went into the ruck. 
 

his fumble in the last to gift the bulldogs a goal was a game killer 

 

has to be dropped this week 

Cooked.

7 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

I forgot Joel Smith existed. If he is to be given a last chance to save his career it has to be as a forward as he is no backman that's for sure.

I'd gladly have him in ahead of T Mac.

Correct.

I would have had Smith playing forward all year.

8 hours ago, layzie said:

One thing I'll say is that at least when T-mac tackles he tackles hard, wish I could say the same for some others. 

Two tackles yesterday. About 6 missed tackles. Did you watch the game ?  He was so slow the Bulldogs defenders walked around him. 

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Two tackles yesterday. About 6 missed tackles. Did you watch the game ?  He was so slow the Bulldogs defenders walked around him. 

Reading is important, didn't say anything about his tackle count simply when he puts a tackle on they feel it. Was reaching for some kind of positive yes but by all means let's go back to kicking the guys head in and blaming him for a crap all round team effort. 

7 hours ago, Dr.D said:

when's that? If I was playing tag with Mcdonald he'd never lay a hand on me. He's super slow and has no lateral movement. 

I'd delist both McDonald's and show them the door.

What's the answer in your infinite wisdom?