On 04/08/2020 at 06:38, Lord Nev said:

Where'd you see that mate?

I have been told 

  On 04/08/2020 at 06:36, DubDee said:

T Mac needs to take a bath in WD40

his body just cannot allow him to be agile enough to play Key fwd

TinMac 

  On 04/08/2020 at 05:13, adonski said:

Why ?

Partly because of past performance, but also because he gets to more contests than Jackson. I know stats aren't everything, but while both players had minimal influence last week, T McDonald took 4 marks to Jackson's zero. McDonald also had 5 kicks (Jackson 2) and 1 tackle (Jackson 0). To avoid accusations of bias, McDonald and Jackson both had 2 handballs and Jackson had 4 hitouts to McDonald's zero. As I said, neither had any statistical influence on the game.

McDonald's bigger and stronger body also means he's more likely to take contested marks. Is he out of form? Of course. His immediate upside, though, is higher although in the longer term, I would be disappointed if Jackson doesn't reach a higher threshold. 

  On 04/08/2020 at 06:43, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Partly because of past performance, but also because he gets to more contests than Jackson. I know stats aren't everything, but while both players had minimal influence last week, T McDonald took 4 marks to Jackson's zero. McDonald also had 5 kicks (Jackson 2) and 1 tackle (Jackson 0). To avoid accusations of bias, McDonald and Jackson both had 2 handballs and Jackson had 4 hitouts to McDonald's zero. As I said, neither had any statistical influence on the game.

McDonald's bigger and stronger body also means he's more likely to take contested marks. Is he out of form? Of course. His immediate upside, though, is higher although in the longer term, I would be disappointed if Jackson doesn't reach a higher threshold. 

I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Tom back in against North as a way of managing Jackson’s fitness. It’s interesting you point to Tom getting to more contests because I felt like last Thursday was a real embodiment of what he’d been dishing up for a while, he always seems to get to the contest just that fraction too late which means at best he can spoil it but most of the time he gets out marked. In 2018 his first few steps off the mark were, for a tall forward, actually pretty powerful and quick. Now they just look slow and lumbering. 

  On 04/08/2020 at 06:43, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Partly because of past performance, but also because he gets to more contests than Jackson. I know stats aren't everything, but while both players had minimal influence last week, T McDonald took 4 marks to Jackson's zero. McDonald also had 5 kicks (Jackson 2) and 1 tackle (Jackson 0). To avoid accusations of bias, McDonald and Jackson both had 2 handballs and Jackson had 4 hitouts to McDonald's zero. As I said, neither had any statistical influence on the game.

McDonald's bigger and stronger body also means he's more likely to take contested marks. Is he out of form? Of course. His immediate upside, though, is higher although in the longer term, I would be disappointed if Jackson doesn't reach a higher threshold. 

Yeah if you read the last few posts in this thread you will see the emphasis on how Tom's body seems to be failing him and particularly at ground level where he has been extremely ineffective. Looks slow, heavy and unable to make the right plays. Sure a fit and more mobile Tmac will get the nod every time over an 18 year old developing player. But right now because of Jacksons athleticism and ability to play ruck he's more valuable then Tmac at the moment. I don't think comparing the twos average stats in our worst game of the season really counts for much I'm afraid.

Ins: Vandenberg, Bennell, Tomlinson, Jetta and Rivers

Outs: Sparrow (prefer Harmes/Brayshaw/Salem getting more mid time), Jones (vandenberg plays this role better), Fritch/Melksham (Don't think you can play both and have 2 tall forwards in a modern forwardline), Lockhart (not a lockdown defender, plays too aggressively which left us open), TMac (personally would have removed Jackson)

 

  On 04/08/2020 at 06:57, BigMacjnr said:

Ins: Vandenberg, Bennell, Tomlinson, Jetta and Rivers

Outs: Sparrow (prefer Harmes/Brayshaw/Salem getting more mid time), Jones (vandenberg plays this role better), Fritch/Melksham (Don't think you can play both and have 2 tall forwards in a modern forwardline), Lockhart (not a lockdown defender, plays too aggressively which left us open), TMac (personally would have removed Jackson)

Fact or opinion?

Don’t mind these staggered announcements on the changes. We might have the complete puzzle before the official time. Keep the mail coming. 

So far -

IN - AVB, ANB possibly

OUT - T Mac , Kozzie

Edited August 4, 20204 yr by Dee Zephyr

SO what we know is Tom and Kozzy out, and AVB in. I think Bennell may come in but we need a crumber. i would bring sparg on. We need people at the feet of Weid and Jackson.. Melk, Fritsch and Hannan are the same player.. what has happened to bedford?

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:07, binman said:

Fact or opinion?

opinion..sorry should have led with that

If the ANB news is true, it could easily be vandenBerg and ANB for TMac and Pickett.

  On 04/08/2020 at 06:14, The Stigga said:

Sure, just trying to think outside the box.

Last week, Port had 47 entries for 23 scoring shots, so they were scoring  nearly 50% of the time the ball came in.

Our defense is not all its cracked up to be.

Why do we need to think outside the box?

Our four best players last week were, in no particular order, May, Lever, Lockhart and Hibberd.

The midfield and forward line applied about 1% of the requisite effort and pressure, for whatever reason. So quoting the 23 form 47 stat doesn't say a whole lot about the individuals in the backline. Says a lot more about our team approach to defence.

In each game from Carlton through to Brisbane, our defensive half set up has improved. We've seen Lever and May get better at working alongside each other, and for a period OMac looked decent and may have assisted (or may not, jury's out a bit on that).

In the hierarchy of problems we have, the backline sits well behind the midfield and forward line.

And if you were going to make a change, "thinking outside the box" is a nice buzz phrase but what are you actually trying to implement, and in what way does TMac help? He's slow, unfit, out of form, and hasn't played defence since 2017. And you've suggested adding him to Lever, May and OMac. Why do we need to go taller? Why do we need to go slower? Who makes way for him?

I don't think there's a solid argument that TMac should be a defender and should replace OMac. I think there's even less of an argument that he should be added to the backline.

 

I would liked to see Bedford given another crack but I’m ok with ANB coming in for Kozzie. 

I think one of the major questions is do we bring back Bennell with the full expectation he won’t play against North? Or hold him back one more game perhaps looking ahead to say we may need him vs North. Also looking even further ahead if almost argue he’s more important to have vs the pies. 

I have a feeling that Jones is going to survive the chop, it’s tempting to make some wholesale changes but I think we’re going to end up with OUT TMac, Kozzie IN AvB, ANB. 

Edited August 4, 20204 yr by Pates

 

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:07, Dee Zephyr said:

Don’t mind these staggered announcements on the changes. We might have the complete puzzle before the official time. Keep the mail coming. 

So far -

IN - AVB, ANB possibly

OUT - T Mac , Kozzie

You think thered be at least 1 more change as only one of those is due to form.

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:26, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

You think thered be at least 1 more change as only one of those is due to form.

I get the feeling Brayshaw may get a rest and Tomlinson come in on a wing.

So we have signed Tomlinson to a 4 year deal & he can’t get a game  please explain???

Will the mfc Destroy another afl player career in Tom Mac???

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:26, Pickett2Jackson said:

 

You think thered be at least 1 more change as only one of those is due to form.

4 or 5 changes with one "Shock" dropping should be on the cards. Now is the time to see if Bedford, Rivers and Jordon can keep others out. Or perhaps to see if Brown contribute in the forward line. To see Tomlinson given another go. Something along these lines.

We're playing one of the worst 18th clubs in 30 years. Try some kids.

Edited August 4, 20204 yr by John Demonic

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:31, hardtack said:

I get the feeling Brayshaw may get a rest and Tomlinson come in on a wing.

Well HT in 40 minutes from now you may look like a genius.

Edited August 4, 20204 yr by Pickett2Jackson

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:31, hardtack said:

I get the feeling Brayshaw may get a rest and Tomlinson come in on a wing.

Or possibly Jones for Tomlinson. 

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:34, Pickett2Jackson said:

Well HT in 40 minutes from now you may look like a genius.

There's a first time for everything I suppose.

Listening to goody's presser I get the vibe he is taking the swing the axe approach. 

Im tipping a couple more outs and I reckon it will be Jones and......drum roll.....brayshaw

  On 04/08/2020 at 07:12, titan_uranus said:

If the ANB news is true, it could easily be vandenBerg and ANB for TMac and Pickett.

I'd also like to see Tomlinson get another look in.  Thought he was fairly stiff to be dropped in the first place.

Happy if that comes at the expense of Jones.

Take the Discussion to the Team Selection thread: https://demonland.com/forums/topic/48612-teams-rd-10-vs-adelaide/