CHANGES: Rd 09 vs Port Adelaide

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[Dr.D 1,771]

Why isn't Harmes tagging anymore? Harmes played his best footy as a tagger. It got him engaged in the game and he was one of the first picked players when he was in this role. 

Another example of Goodwins inabilities as a coach. 

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,294]

Does anyone know the last time we beat a team on top of the ladder? 

It's going to happen in 2 days time. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Why isn't Harmes tagging anymore? Harmes played his best footy as a tagger. It got him engaged in the game and he was one of the first picked players when he was in this role. 

Another example of Goodwins inabilities as a coach. 

I agree, but I think it's more an example of Goodwin's stubbornness as a coach. I believe he has the ability.

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Why isn't Harmes tagging anymore? Harmes played his best footy as a tagger. It got him engaged in the game and he was one of the first picked players when he was in this role. 

Another example of Goodwins inabilities as a coach. 

Would have clamped down on Neale and won comfortably. Did not change the dynamic of our midfield set up one bit and it cost us.

Edited July 28, 2020 by Win4theAges

[Grimes Times 1,278]

18 hours ago, CHF said:

The selections for the Port game will really depend on how the players pull up after the game on Sunday.

However, if selection was on form in the game, there would be a couple of changes. 

In defence, I saw Jetta as as weakness. He just does not seem to be able to track fast enough to a contest or his reading of the play is not what it used to be. After his head knocks, I could see him getting a rest and possibly brought back for the game after Port. I like the way the rest of the backline is playing. May, OMac, Lever, Salem and Hibberd are developing a good understanding and Lockhart, much to my surprise, is slotting in there well. Who gets a game in place of Jetta? well the obvious one would be Rivers but I would not be surprised to see Josh Wagner get  run.

Midfield did not perform up to standard at Max's feet. Not sure what the problem was? Caoching or players? If all have pulled up ok I would not change any in there. Petracca, Oliver and Viney on the inside with Brayshaw rotating there and Harmes used in a tagging role on an opposition key mid would be the way I would go. Langdon on one wing and a few, including Jones to rotate through the other. I do not see Jones getting dropped after one game. 

In the forwards o would definately retain Wiedeman, Jackson, Melksham combination at the heart of the attack. Fritsch is there sa well but I would be looking to use him up the ground a bit more on an HFF as I like his mobility and delivery. Hannan had just a game on Sunday but I would retain him. One of Bennell or Pickett I would replace. I would be tempted to give Pickett a rest. I would like to see Sparrow given a run in his place.

With regard to TMac, well, I do not see any great reason to get him back in just yet. He was not in form in all the games he played prior to his eye injury and I don't think it is necessary to have a third tall against Port.

So, for me... 

Out: Jetta, Pickett

In: Wagner, Sparrow

Wagner not even in the hub.

[picket fence 17,056]

26 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Would have clamped down on Neale and won comfortably. Did not change the dynamic of our midfield set up one bit and it cost us.

Would not be the first time that a logical tagger in Harmes going to players like Neale was not applied by the coaching fraternity. I agree, but this type of  oversight happens all too frequently at Melbourne.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

29 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Would have clamped down on Neale and won comfortably. Did not change the dynamic of our midfield set up one bit and it cost us.

Please....Harmes stopped tagging because he was bad at it last year. He would not have had any impact on Neale who has worked through tags all season. Most overated player on this forum.

[nosoupforme 3,085]

10 hours ago, CHF said:

Have a look at the games he played in 2018. he was very good in a number of them I believe. At some stage during this season we need to get a look at him to see if he can provide depth.

I would like to see what he brings when he has a well structured defence around him. Smith is not the answer. If he is then you are asking the wrong question.We know what Rivers can bring to t he table and he will develop over time. With the short turn around to the Port game I would like to see some freshness in the team.

It's a good point CHF The Wagner's can run a bit although they are on the fringe they have produced at times. they played a dozen games each in 2019  IMO they did well. I would rather Josh in the side at 190 cm than have a project player in Smith play.  I can't understand what they see in him.

I think Rivers was a bit stiff to be dropped However l would like to think TMac could come in for his excperiece and strength. He started to hold marks get involved with the inclusion of the Weid in the 1st quarter and ended with the eye injury as he was starting look ok.

[old55 23,404]

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

Why isn't Harmes tagging anymore? Harmes played his best footy as a tagger. It got him engaged in the game and he was one of the first picked players when he was in this role. 

Another example of Goodwins inabilities as a coach. 

57 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

I agree, but I think it's more an example of Goodwin's stubbornness as a coach. I believe he has the ability.

 

25 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Would not be the first time that a logical tagger in Harmes going to players like Neale was not applied by the coaching fraternity. I agree, but this type of  oversight happens all too frequently at Melbourne.

 

57 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

Would have clamped down on Neale and won comfortably. Did not change the dynamic of our midfield set up one bit and it cost us.

So who out of Petracca, Oliver and Viney did you want out of the primary midfield rotation to enable this to happen?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

44 minutes ago, nosoupforme said:

It's a good point CHF The Wagner's can run a bit although they are on the fringe they have produced at times. they played a dozen games each in 2019  IMO they did well. I would rather Josh in the side at 190 cm than have a project player in Smith play.  I can't understand what they see in him.

I think Rivers was a bit stiff to be dropped However l would like to think TMac could come in for his excperiece and strength. He started to hold marks get involved with the inclusion of the Weid in the 1st quarter and ended with the eye injury as he was starting look ok.

Nice pun

[bing181 9,194]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

I agree, but I think it's more an example of Goodwin's stubbornness as a coach.

Unsubstantiated speculation from someone who has has zero actual experience of Goodwin's coaching.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

T Mac has to come in. 4 goals in the magoos and he's a very proficient kick for goal - something that was sorely lacking on the weekend.

Wouldn't mind having a look at Swallow who's apparently in contention. He looked ok in a practice match.

One of Harmes or Brayshaw should get dropped after continued ordinary performances and to keep the standards up.

Jetta might be an out when combining a head knock and an ordinary performance.

 

IN - T Mac, Sparrow

Out - Brayshaw, Jetta (or Jackson if they don't want to go 3 talls.)

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

1 hour ago, Grimes Times said:

Wagner not even in the hub.

He probably should be.

He's not a bad back up every now and then.

[Grr-owl 1,217]

On 7/26/2020 at 4:48 PM, Leoncelli_36 said:

Lol

Get 'em in. One forward, one back?

Edited July 28, 2020 by Grr-owl

[Wiseblood 24,637]

12 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

T Mac has to come in. 4 goals in the magoos and he's a very proficient kick for goal - something that was sorely lacking on the weekend.

Wouldn't mind having a look at Swallow who's apparently in contention. He looked ok in a practice match.

One of Harmes or Brayshaw should get dropped after continued ordinary performances and to keep the standards up.

Jetta might be an out when combining a head knock and an ordinary performance.

 

IN - T Mac, Sparrow

Out - Brayshaw, Jetta (or Jackson if they don't want to go 3 talls.)

Who goes into the back six rotation if you're dropping Jetta and not replacing him with a back pocket or even a back flanker?  Can't see Tom or Sparrow really playing there.

I'd like to get another look at Sparrow at senior level, although I still think he's behind someone like Tomlinson who will get another crack before he goes.

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

 

 

So who out of Petracca, Oliver and Viney did you want out of the primary midfield rotation to enable this to happen?

It's a fair point re: Harmes.  Those three are our best midfielders at the minute and deserve as much time in the middle as possible.  Using Harmes in a tagging role is going to take someone out of there, which I think they want to guard against at the minute.  

I'd like to see Harmes given a run with role across half forward.  He has a good set of hands and gets to the right spots, and he could be a bit of weapon clamping down on one of their primary runners off half back which would either help us in forcing more turnovers or locking the ball inside our 50.

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,778]

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Who goes into the back six rotation if you're dropping Jetta and not replacing him with a back pocket or even a back flanker?  Can't see Tom or Sparrow really playing there.

I'd like to get another look at Sparrow at senior level, although I still think he's behind someone like Tomlinson who will get another crack before he goes.

Fair point about the need to replace Jetta like for like.

I just feel that he won't get selected this week, and they either move the magnets around (and bring in Sparrow as a separate inclusion) or bring in Smith or Rivers as a replacement defender.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Bring-Back-Powell

[CHF 2,720]

2 hours ago, Grimes Times said:

Wagner not even in the hub.

As I understand, all the club’s available players are now in the QLD hub and are available post quarantine and I assume that would include J Wagner

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,685]

1 hour ago, Pollyanna said:

 

 

So who out of Petracca, Oliver and Viney did you want out of the primary midfield rotation to enable this to happen?

Neale was running hot for the 2nd qtr especially, Clarry could have gone forward for a period and Harmes to Neale to clamp down on him and disturb his rhythm.

5 minutes per quarter wouldn't have hurt Polly.

 

Edited July 28, 2020 by Win4theAges

[Trish Reynolds 0]

I would love to see Hunt back in the team, he adds so much vitality and he can kick goals

[loges 6,767]

I'd bring in TMac and play Jackson HFF, he'd be a hard match up for a back flanker. Harmes to tag maybe as Wise suggested. 

Selectors need to have a good think about Kossi, Bennell, Brayshaw

Edited July 28, 2020 by loges
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[Wiseblood 24,637]

54 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Fair point about the need to replace Jetta like for like.

I just feel that he won't get selected this week, and they either move the magnets around (and bring in Sparrow as a separate inclusion) or bring in Smith or Rivers as a replacement defender.

 

I agree in terms of selection - I think the coaches like the experience his brings, but he looked off the pace all game and the head knocks won't have done him any favours.

Rivers would be a good option.  I'd prefer him to Smith for the role he will play.

I do hope Sparrow gets a crack in the coming weeks, though.  I think the kid might have a future for us and getting a few games into him would certainly help.

[Dr.D 1,771]

1 hour ago, bing181 said:

Unsubstantiated speculation from someone who has has zero actual experience of Goodwin's coaching.

every [censored] coach in the afl has had more experience than us. 

According yo your theory, there's no such thing as bad coaches because they have experience. flawed logic

[Grimes Times 1,278]

51 minutes ago, CHF said:

As I understand, all the club’s available players are now in the QLD hub and are available post quarantine and I assume that would include J Wagner

they are in there own hub I think on the goldy, not sure when they complete there quarantine but they wont be joining the others or playing until they do

Edited July 28, 2020 by Grimes Times