McCartin - should we consider recruiting him ??

[Ohio USA - David 107]

Paddy McCartin is effectively delisted by St Kilda. Do you guys think we should recruit him for 2021 season. Seems to be over his concussion issues and wants to continue playing. Only 24 years of age.

Maybe Richardson should have some input on that matter.

BUT only if the Demons change their game style and kick inside 50 more accurately.

49 inside 50's for 8 Goals is deplorable.

McCartin could add versatility and we could swing T Mc back to CHB

[Nasher 33,607]

I’d feel like we would be both taking on a risk and personally doing him a disservice by picking him up and prolonging his career. Sure that might be unfair - it could be seen as taking away a choice that is his to make, but I just don’t see why anyone would just keep on rolling the dice on a living person’s brain. 

All the potential footy related benefits just feel meh to me in comparison to that. Just find another player who isn’t another hit away from having his life erased.

[spirit of norm smith 15,295]

Simply no no no no no no 

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

I’m amazed he was ever drafted let alone went pick one.

[Deemented Are Go! 3,676]

No

[dazzledavey36 52,969]

No. We'd be having another KK clogging up our list.

[Rednblueriseing 800]

Big No for me

Focus on teaching Weid and Jackson some forward craft 

[drysdale demon 4,703]

4 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Paddy McCartin is effectively delisted by St Kilda. Do you guys think we should recruit him for 2021 season. Seems to be over his concussion issues and wants to continue playing. Only 24 years of age.

Maybe Richardson should have some input on that matter.

BUT only if the Demons change their game style and kick inside 50 more accurately.

49 inside 50's for 8 Goals is deplorable.

McCartin could add versatility and we could swing T Mc back to CHB

He may want to play again, but his family don't think he will ever play again.

[jumbo returns 6,703]

Paddy needs to focus on the longevity of his life that doesn’t include footy

[old dee 23,506]

No!

[Ethan Tremblay 30,138]

[picket fence 16,708]

8 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Paddy McCartin is effectively delisted by St Kilda. Do you guys think we should recruit him for 2021 season. Seems to be over his concussion issues and wants to continue playing. Only 24 years of age.

Maybe Richardson should have some input on that matter.

BUT only if the Demons change their game style and kick inside 50 more accurately.

49 inside 50's for 8 Goals is deplorable.

McCartin could add versatility and we could swing T Mc back to CHB

NO WAY 

Who knows what one more head knock may do !! DEFINATELY NOT!

[rolling fog 1,207]

Wouldn't be fair to other prospects for a list spot, and wouldn't be fair to Paddy either. 

[Demon Disciple 11,746]

There comes a point in time when health after footy becomes more important, and Paddy has well and truly passed it. It's not worth it for his sake.

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,128]

You'd think that the proposed reduction in list sizes would be enough to put the kibosh on this idea gaining any traction. 

[Ohio USA - David 107]

6 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

You'd think that the proposed reduction in list sizes would be enough to put the kibosh on this idea gaining any traction. 

 

10 hours ago, picket fence said:

NO WAY 

Who knows what one more head knock may do !! DEFINATELY NOT!

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

[dazzledavey36 52,969]

38 minutes ago, Ohio USA - David said:

 

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

Bennell has proven already to be an elite talent when fit

McCartin has proven nothing.

And please dont bring Gus into this..

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,128]

6 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

 

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

Hi there David. Yeah, I think there are some points of difference between these three examples you've thrown up. In regards to Gus I think the fact he was already our player and that we used a very high draft pick to get him meant that we were definitely going to go the distance in working through his issues. As I think St K also tried to do with Paddy. List sizes not being a concern in either case at the time. 

As for Harley, had Covid-19 hit twelve months earlier and list sizes already been reduced it's quite likely that he might be in a similar situation to that of McCartin where the risk versus gain factor has bigger consequences if you get it wrong. 

I don't think anyone is blind to the possibilities should anyone take a punt on him and make it a success and it sure is tempting with Darren Burgess onboard (although I'm less sure about his work with concussions) but it comes back to the anticipated reduction in squad sizes for me but let's wait and see. 

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,128]

20 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I just have to say this makes me laugh out loud every time I scroll past it ET. 

[Deefiant 438]

9 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

 

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

We already have recruited someone with long term concussion issues in Kolodjashnij. I'd argue that the McCartin's concussion issues are worse because they have been more regular and him having more time off with no improvement. I think that McCartin also has some genetic predisposition to concussion as it seems his brother also has concussion issues. I wouldn't extend Kolodjashnij's contract and I wouldn't recruit McCartin because there's close to 0 chance it'll get better. 

Edited July 12, 2020 by Deefiant

[Nasher 33,607]

23 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Paddy needs to focus on the longevity of his life that doesn’t include footy

I think that’s a lot easier said than done when you’re a young man trying to live out his dream. That’s why I think the clubs should take the choice out of his hands.

[Nasher 33,607]

9 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

 

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

How could he know for sure he was over his concussion issues? He might just be over it until he gets a rough tackle that makes his brain bounce around his skull again and suddenly he’s spending another month in a dark room, unable to string two words together with his girlfriend looking after him while wondering if this is the time he doesn’t get better?

We got told the MFC were all over Kolodjashnij’s concussion issues too. More neck related, they said. Then he gets an innocuous knock early in the season and he’s missing in action with not much explanation from the club for a season and a half. I take “it’s all fixed” with chronic concussion issues with a grain of salt when there’s no way anyone can be sure until the next event.

I’d have said the same about Brayshaw if his issues had continued on. His seemed to be more about repeat direct hits though, which were addressed with technical changes to the way he approaches contests (ie not head first) which seem to have ironed out the problem. It’s when the player seems to get concussed from innocuous contact that you really have to worry.

It’s different with Bennell because it’s his calves, not his brain. If he wants to risk shredding his calves by stringing out an AFL career then yay for him. I wouldn’t extend the same autonomy of decision making to McCartin because the quality of life impact of a damaged brain is so much more severe than that of a calf.

To me it’s not about footy. Others have raised stuff about KK clogging the list and whatever, but I don’t give a toss about that. If I was a decision maker at the MFC I’d be worried about making a decision that has a higher than normal risk of destroying a young man’s future entirely. There’s no way I can see past that.

[Deestroy All 14,262]

With or without concussion issues he’s just not very good, at all. 

Would be absolute desperation and madness to even consider it. I expect to see him sign next week. 

[drysdale demon 4,703]

11 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

 

So it is OK to recruit Bennell with his background and it is OK to hang onto Brayshaw with his concussion issues but it is not OK to recruit a guy like McCartin who in his words is over his concussion issues..   That make stupid sense... NOT !

It is a lot more involved than concussion, and it has nothing to do with his diabetes either.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,380]

In addition to a stalled development and significant health risks/issues, I'm not convinced he's a good enough player to succeed at the top level.  He was never a big goal kicker or accumulator at Jr level and he doesn't seem to have the speed, agility or tank to make a big impact at senior level.

If he does come back, I would say it'd be StKilda that gives him the opportunity.