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Trade him

Bump Whoever was calling for Oliver to be dropped, please kindly remove yourself from demonland and assess how much you understand football and whether you should really be commenting on melbourn

He was still pretty poor with the ball on the weekend but the second half in particular he started to find his range a bit more.  In many ways I'd rather he cop the heat now and so there's no dou

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Like every other player on the list, he has not developed. Kicks and handballs off balance and should spend a week out of the side 

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1 minute ago, SPC said:

Like every other player on the list, he has not developed. Kicks and handballs off balance and should spend a week out of the side 

His lack of development is an enditment on all of our coaches, and we have enough of them.

Needs to stick his tackles, run harder, stop stepping back into traffic, start absorbing tackles with forward momentum and hit a target by foot.

 

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For the longest time now I've got the sense that he's started to believe his own press to the point that he's pretty happy with the idea of just being a footballer rather than putting the work to be great...just my take.

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Oliver is ticking along ok. Went head to head with Cripps when we played Carlton and did some nice defensive work. So I think Oliver is passing the grade. However, he does play scared, which is frustrating to watch because he moves the ball onto the next bloke - like a hot spud. He could do with some rounds in the boxing ring just to become aware of that contact, and psychologically get over that fear, because he is a star and its a shame to see him go to waste. 

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13 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Lazy. One way runner. Needs a huge kick up the bum. Should be dropped 

Definitely too valuable to exclude, but a kick up the bum is necessary for 'time and again' long bombs rushed the the Hope Fairy. Clarry has lost his cool this year, so far. Needs a transfer to a wing / flank position to get his mojo back and to better sight the game. An opportunity to two-way run and carry would also be useful. 

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I'm not entirely sure of the dates but is there a correlation between a number of our players' development stagnating and Brendan McCartney leaving the club?

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I'm over him. We thought we had a first class midfielder but the truth is that he is miles behind the best in the AFL. Cripps, Dangerfield, O'Neil, Fyfe, Martin, Mitchell, Pendlebury, Merritt, Cotchin, Rowell, Boak, Cunnington, Kelly... it seems like most clubs have a better midfield than Oliver. Time to shake him up or move him on.

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Disagree that he's currently lazy. Watch the last few games again and specifically watch him, he's busting his gut trying to put pressure on.

His disposal and decision making though, geez, would be close to our worst so far this year.

 

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35 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Lazy. One way runner. Needs a huge kick up the bum. Should be dropped 

Garbage 

No, he is  working hard and is the LAST PLAYER I WOULD DROP

Viney and Brayshaw need to go before him 

The answer of course is to the thread is  ..... The coach!

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10 minutes ago, Luther said:

I'm not entirely sure of the dates but is there a correlation between a number of our players' development stagnating and Brendan McCartney leaving the club?

YES

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36 minutes ago, SPC said:

Like every other player on the list, he has not developed. Kicks and handballs off balance and should spend a week out of the side 

Lets look at Petracca.    We gave him the shytes for a season, and got into him to get fitter, and to stop believing his own media hype.

 

What did he do after tall that pressure. 

He woke up, is what he did.

He's gotten fitter,  lost some weight,  and no doubt is eating better,  and generally looks in better shape;  and his footy is starting to get better, once more.  HE is back on-track.

 

Oliver is now just the same as the old Petracca was.

He thinks he's much better than what he really is. he's undisciplined and hes on te way to wasting his talents.

 

It's not the coaches, who are pumping up their heads with Nitrous Oxide.

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7 minutes ago, Richy B said:

He performed best when Brendan McCartney was overseeing his development. 

People might bag McCartney, but he told players how it was! 

Argh, good point.!  Yeah, I didn't think of that.

It has been since then.

 

Oliver looks like a lazy undisciplined shadow of himself.

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15 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Garbage 

No, he is  working hard and is the LAST PLAYER I WOULD DROP

Viney and Brayshaw need to go before him 

The answer of course is to the thread is  ..... The coach!

Well said,

He along with Petracca & Gawn are our only above average players 

it’s the dozen players that can’t even get the ball that I’d be worried about

 

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Oh yeah right lets all blame Clayton Oliver for our situation

Jaheesus H Christmas, he aint our problem and I say this EVERY other AFL COACH would LUUUURVE HIM at their clubs. 

He has Plataeud because of his coaching nothing less!

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His inability to hit a target by foot is a massive reason we're struggling. Massive, massive problem.

We're not going to drop him, not after one bad game, so like the majority of our players, our future depends on him working hard to improve his mistakes.

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1 minute ago, titan_uranus said:

His inability to hit a target by foot is a massive reason we're struggling. Massive, massive problem.

We're not going to drop him, not after one bad game, so like the majority of our players, our future depends on him working hard to improve his mistakes.

How many possesions today VS Viney?? and at EFFICIENCY??

Drop Oliver ??? Oh yeah I  might win tattslotto this week

How can you even entertain it??

DROP THE COACH would be nearer to the piont!

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1 minute ago, picket fence said:

Oh yeah right lets all blame Clayton Oliver for our situation

Jaheesus H Christmas, he aint our problem and I say this EVERY other AFL COACHES would LUUUURVE HIM at their clubs

He has Plataeud because of his coaching nothing less!

Of course hes talented, but he is careless, undisciplined.

He has to be dropped to shake him up,   Or he has to be given a job to do,  chasing an opposition forward around, to learn to be accountable.

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He gets the ball, but panics.  He should be encouraged to get a few holding the balls against him and take a little more time.  Learn to take the tackle.  Get ball/panic disposal puts other players in terrible positions or simply costs us possession.  His handball to Smith’s boots was terrible, and his kick in the middle was unbelievably poor.  Add to all the other moments, it must be heartbreaking to work so hard just for him to give it up.

I think he has read his own press.  Needs to do better with ball in hand.

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2 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

His inability to hit a target by foot is a massive reason we're struggling. Massive, massive problem.

We're not going to drop him, not after one bad game, so like the majority of our players, our future depends on him working hard to improve his mistakes.

One bad game, this has been going on all season and at least part of last.   His missing targets by hand and foot has been happening for a looong time.

But we supporters have turned a blind eye to it ;  its just that its getting worse,  and some of us are talking about it more,  which brings it to others attention.

 

It's so bad now, that it need to be attended to.

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