55 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

RJAY, what does that pressure look like? Angry stern looks from the board? A conversation about 'you're under pressure mate?' You don't think they all fire trucking know it?

Sorry @rjay its not about you per se (the next bit)

 

The hilarious thing about these ' he's under pressure' comments is the fact that you walk into a job knowing that if you don't perform you're out. You're under pressure from day dot.. it never just appears. The nuance is looking at the bigger picture than W/L/D, and checking your own urgency (as a member of the board/fd or other) with all available data. Now the issue is supporters don't have all the available data.

@layzie, this is why I believe they're on the right track

We typically want linear improvement. If it doesnt happen, then it's received as a problem. I posted on another thread about 2 hours ago, about 2019 being a write off from injury/preseason perspective) and the fact that there was never any expectation because of that factor to be able to perform optimally. Why supporters expect optimal performance in that context doesn't surprise me, because they don't have data. 

The other thing as to why Goodwin wont be under pressure due merely to losses (and not blow outs, just losses) is beacause of the demographic of the athletes at the club, particularly the midfield. 

2019 was a clusterfork due to injury

2020 is a clusterfork due to Covid and the fact that we have so so so so so so so many players who have not played together (people forget this is so incredibly important...just look at Richmond, Collingwood and WCE)

But we lump it altogether and don't pick apart the nuance.

Goodwin happens to be at the helm during some unprecedented times (2019 due to injury/rehab) 2020 due to covid with really really young humans  who have played fire truck all together.

I get that pleases very few of you... because of the yearning, the absolute yearning to see success and a constant upward trajectory. 

Anyway... that's why ive contributed some coin.

Good One.

37 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

He played it safe. Answers about our performance would be far more interesting 

Of course they would. But I doubt Bartlett would have said anything about onfield performance other than bland comments that would have added nothing. Hence, Whately's approach of asking him questions to which Bartlett could give interesting answers. 

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

We typically want linear improvement. If it doesnt happen, then it's received as a problem. I posted on another thread about 2 hours ago, about 2019 being a write off from injury/preseason perspective) and the fact that there was never any expectation because of that factor to be able to perform optimally. Why supporters expect optimal performance in that context doesn't surprise me, because they don't have data. 

The other thing as to why Goodwin wont be under pressure due merely to losses (and not blow outs, just losses) is beacause of the demographic of the athletes at the club, particularly the midfield. 

2019 was a clusterfork due to injury

2020 is a clusterfork due to Covid and the fact that we have so so so so so so so many players who have not played together (people forget this is so incredibly important...just look at Richmond, Collingwood and WCE)

But we lump it altogether and don't pick apart the nuance.

Goodwin happens to be at the helm during some unprecedented times (2019 due to injury/rehab) 2020 due to covid with really really young humans  who have played fire truck all together.

I get that pleases very few of you... because of the yearning, the absolute yearning to see success and a constant upward trajectory. 

Anyway... that's why ive contributed some coin.

No it definitely makes sense, and does put things in perspective. There is a lot of lumping together and Covid shouldn't amplify the things that happened in the past when current staff were not here. I just hope we can afford the time they need to get it right. I've donated as well, can only hope.

Edited July 1, 20205 yr by layzie

The MFC  has always been a huge part of my life.  I've been lucky enough to enjoy a few premierships along the way, but #13 will bring more joy than all the others combined.  I thought the merger in '96 would to kill off my dreams, but against the odds, we survived that to fight another day.  I'll continue to support them in every way I can, for as long as I can, but time is running out.  C'mon Dees .........  its time for a return on my financial and emotional investments.

This really shouldn't be about the people at the club or a return on investment.

We all tune in every year to watch a new season, i admit my passion for the game isn't as strong as when i was kid. To be fair i think that's more because the game has gone in a direction i find less appealing. However, i won't turn my back on this club til my last day or it's. 

Purchased myself a shirt because at least it's something material in return for the money. Who knows, i might be wearing it to a grand final one day.

Cheers to all who donated and to those who couldn't. Let's hope we all survive.

Just donated...

 

Now get the Forward Line sorted THIS WEEK!!

All those weekly “Learnings”....

F&@() Learn from it today!!

Run hard for team mates, SPREAD

Give the Forwards room to lead...

it’s not Rocket Science Goodwin....

11 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Just donated...

 

Now get the Forward Line sorted THIS WEEK!!

All those weekly “Learnings”....

F&@() Learn from it today!!

Run hard for team mates, SPREAD

Give the Forwards room to lead...

it’s not Rocket Science Goodwin....

Does donating give you unlimited wishes SW????????????

Would be a miracle if it were to happen given this is what we have heard they are working on for the last numerous seasons. 

1 minute ago, DemonOX said:

Does donating give you unlimited wishes SW????????????

Would be a miracle if it were to happen given this is what we have heard they are working on for the last numerous seasons. 

No. I just want to know they are actually learning from past mistakes 

Kicking goals seems to be down the wish list. 
It should be number 1

Just now, Sir Why You Little said:

No. I just want to know they are actually learning from past mistakes 

Kicking goals seems to be down the wish list. 
It should be number 1

I was meaning it tongue in cheek mate but I hope they are working on it but it’s a bloody slow burn. 

7 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

I was meaning it tongue in cheek mate but I hope they are working on it but it’s a bloody slow burn. 

Yes i knew you were joking

But 2 years is a long time for a “learning to sink in”

When i was taught something at my work it had to sink in immediately...

I was convinced by Glen Bartlett's comments on the Demonland Podcast to buy the Proud to Belong Jersey. It's hard to rub a couple of dollars together at the moment, but I was persuaded despite feeling dreadful about the Club after the Geelong loss. 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No. I just want to know they are actually learning from past mistakes 

Kicking goals seems to be down the wish list. 
It should be number 1

Unfortunately, it seems most if not all coaches seem to susbcribe to the idea that stopping the other side from kicking goals is number 1. I wish you were right. Football would be in a much better state if you were.

It is interesting to note that in soccer, your goal (meaning where the team scores, not the team's aim) is the one you defend; in AFL, your goal is the one you attack. It would be a shame if AFL ever changed so a team's "goal" becomes the defensive one.  

Edited July 2, 20205 yr by La Dee-vina Comedia
typos x2

7 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Unfortunately, it seems most if not all coaches seem to susbcribe to the idea that sopping the other side from kicking goals is number 1. I wish you were right. football would be in a much better state if you were.

It is interesting to note that in soccer, your goal (meaning where the team scores, not the team's aim) is the one you defend; in AFL, your goal is the one you attack. It would be a shame if AFL ever changed so a team's "goal" becomes the defensive one.  

I have thought the same things at times

A Coach will break the cycle soon and the AFL Media will Crown him a Genius

Goals win Matches...

Well just bought the jumper, looks like it will be 2 min noodles for dinner next few weeks. Come on Dees put it right!

Edited July 2, 20205 yr by layzie

Earlier in this thread the Donations were reported as $280k .

Not having much to do I had a look at the balance today and it shows: $214k.  proud-to-belong,-proud-to-give/

It seems a cumulative total so am a bit confused as to how it could have gone backwards.  Can't imagine anyone would take back a donation so maybe one of the figures is incorrect/typo.

1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Earlier in this thread the Donations were reported as $280k .

Not having much to do I had a look at the balance today and it shows: $214k.  proud-to-belong,-proud-to-give/

It seems a cumulative total so am a bit confused as to how it could have gone backwards.  Can't imagine anyone would take back a donation so maybe one of the figures is incorrect/typo.

Had to pull some money out to get to NSW. 

1 minute ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Had to pull some money out to get to NSW. 

Assume that is tongue-in-cheek (AFL is funding the hubs).

25 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Earlier in this thread the Donations were reported as $280k .

Not having much to do I had a look at the balance today and it shows: $214k.  proud-to-belong,-proud-to-give/

It seems a cumulative total so am a bit confused as to how it could have gone backwards.  Can't imagine anyone would take back a donation so maybe one of the figures is incorrect/typo.

That might be cash donations only, not including jumper purchases?

1 hour ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Earlier in this thread the Donations were reported as $280k .

Not having much to do I had a look at the balance today and it shows: $214k.  proud-to-belong,-proud-to-give/

It seems a cumulative total so am a bit confused as to how it could have gone backwards.  Can't imagine anyone would take back a donation so maybe one of the figures is incorrect/typo.

It is very confusing on the MFC site. 

If you go to the "give" icon at the top of the page it shows a figure of $352470, which is different from the figure in the actual donation page.   Still, can't expect much when the AFL run the web-sites!

The donation page is purely for cash donations which is currently showing $214,244. The figure of $357,207 shown at the top of the page is the total amount in cash donations and guernsey/armchair membership sales (all part of the donation drive). Essentially there’s three ways to donate, if you add the three up, it equals the amount of $357,207. 

Edited July 9, 20205 yr by Ethan Tremblay

Ended up buying a Jumper as well at the draft experience. Figured I get nerdy enough about it during the off season so might get some good insights into how it all works and what players we rate. Assuming I don't get told not to divulge any pertinent information I will try and give a run down of the night.

 

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

 

More performances like today will convince more supporters to put their hands in their pockets

On 7/9/2020 at 5:12 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

The donation page is purely for cash donations which is currently showing $214,244. The figure of $357,207 shown at the top of the page is the total amount in cash donations and guernsey/armchair membership sales (all part of the donation drive). Essentially there’s three ways to donate, if you add the three up, it equals the amount of $357,207. 

I just bought of the limited edition Fuchsia New Era hat from the club website.

Buying merchandise from the club directly also helps a lot.

Has anyone got the jumper yet or know when they will arrive? I am planning to give it as a present.