Ricciuto on Lever

[Lord Travis 10,793]

I was vocal at the time that two first rounders for Lever was overs. I'm yet to be proven wrong.

Having said that, Roo would be better served keeping his mouth shut. Their culture is so poor that even club great Andrew Mcleod is speaking out about it now.

Sure, Lever and McGovern trades have worked out OK, but how about the raft of other players the Crows have lost that didn't work out so well? Players like Dangerfield, Cameron, Gunston, and Davis amongst others have all been big losses for the Crows. The Crows are essentially a feeder club at this point.

Edited June 18, 2020 by Lord Travis

[chookrat 4,268]

11 hours ago, deanox said:

This is a great point. We traded for Lever when we were playing a purely zone defense. No one on one's. The 666 meant we needed to rethink that and we traded for May.

West Coast have done pretty well with Hurn and McGovern as great intercept defenders along with Collingwood and Howe, not to mention Richmond with Rance and Grimes. The intercept defenders remains instrumental in the modern game, regardless of 6-6-6.

Our problem has been a lack of cohesion due to injury and our defensive 6-7 not playing many games together.

Edited June 18, 2020 by chookrat

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

16 hours ago, picket fence said:

Yeah Recuiito would say that.... By the way Mark, Why not put your players on PERFORMANCE CONTRACTS 

Gee, you won't need to shell out more than a couple of Hundred per game!! IMAGINE your saving!!

It was also a rallying call-out to their members to get on board,  as the borders were starting to open.

[Demonland 73,474]

Goody weighs in. 

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

Did Ricciuto say how much they are paying Gibbs? 

Very strange comments.

[old dee 24,000]

Why has almost ever interstate recruit jumped ship? 

[poita 3,908]

Don't care about Riccuito's opinion on this or any other subject, but the Lever trade has been a disaster for Melbourne. I never liked the deal from the start and Lever has been a passenger since he got to the club. A 195cm defender on $700K plus a year minding small forwards because he doesn't have the strength to take key forwards - only at Melbourne. But hey, at least he can point well.

However you want to frame the deal, we gave up two first round draft picks, one in 2017 and one in 2018. Later picks are immaterial and irrelevant because they hold so little value. The opportunity cost of giving up two first round picks is massive, either viewed in terms of young talent we didn't take or other experienced players we couldn't bring to the club.

 I don't like his salary or the length of his deal, but it is no more stupid than the contracts given to Kolodjashnij, Vandenberg or Goodwin in recent times. It is about time we started equating contracts with performance.

[ding 5,126]

Could have tried to keep Howe on half that amount.

That sort of money for an unaccountable intercept marker is insane.

He has a LOOOONG way to go to prove he was worth that much

Will probably end up being one of the worst deals MFC ever made considering the price in $$'s and draft picks.

Hindsight 'eh. ?

[DemonOX 8,836]

It’s funny the crows are in all sorts of a mess and the one person who has overseen this is Mark Ricciuto. 
 

He has got rid of a fair few people there but he seems to be the Teflon man  nothing sticks to the [censored]  

He needs to go imo. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

1 hour ago, ding said:

Could have tried to keep Howe on half that amount.

 

Howe didn't want to stay, though.  He wanted to play at the Pies because Buckley promised to play him forward... and look where he ended up.  In the backline.

Not much we can do about that.

[CatFishPig 465]

Purple has had a good go at Roo on AFL website. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,302]

1 hour ago, poita said:

Don't care about Riccuito's opinion on this or any other subject, but the Lever trade has been a disaster for Melbourne. I never liked the deal from the start and Lever has been a passenger since he got to the club. A 195cm defender on $700K plus a year minding small forwards because he doesn't have the strength to take key forwards - only at Melbourne. But hey, at least he can point well.

However you want to frame the deal, we gave up two first round draft picks, one in 2017 and one in 2018. Later picks are immaterial and irrelevant because they hold so little value. The opportunity cost of giving up two first round picks is massive, either viewed in terms of young talent we didn't take or other experienced players we couldn't bring to the club.

 I don't like his salary or the length of his deal, but it is no more stupid than the contracts given to Kolodjashnij, Vandenberg or Goodwin in recent times. It is about time we started equating contracts with performance.

Interesting take. 
Jake has talent, but we haven’t seen it yet, i have always been a fan of Performance Based Contracts

There may well be a lot of love for JL in the room at the MFC, and that is all fine and good

But the bottom line is we paid Top $$$ for a player to do a critical job. 
 

That’s the part i am interested in

[Panamapapers 60]

17 hours ago, McQueen said:

Wasn't Lever nearly BOG when we smashed the Crows in the Alice by 90 pts?

Mark?

Hello?

?

And Matthew newton won mark of the year...whats your point?

[Supermercado 2,802]

We paid over the top for him but it was a worthwhile gamble. Hopefully contract money front-ended so it's less of an issue when we're paying megabucks for Oliver, Petracca etc... later.

Rotten timing for him to do his knee when he'd just played his first A-grade game for us... against the Crows.

[Bay Riffin 1,493]

17 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Lever, Pick 37 and Pick 47.

FOR

Pick 10 (2017), pick 19 (2018) and Pick 59 (2018)

 

So, it ended up being...

Jack Lever, Harrison Petty and Matthew Parker (StKilda)

FOR

Lochie O'brien (Carlton), Liam Stocker (Carlton) and Brett Bewley (Fremantle).

 

Looks fine to me.

Petty looks good to me. what did we get from St Kilda ?

[Bay Riffin 1,493]

2 hours ago, poita said:

Don't care about Riccuito's opinion on this or any other subject, but the Lever trade has been a disaster for Melbourne. I never liked the deal from the start and Lever has been a passenger since he got to the club. A 195cm defender on $700K plus a year minding small forwards because he doesn't have the strength to take key forwards - only at Melbourne. But hey, at least he can point well.

However you want to frame the deal, we gave up two first round draft picks, one in 2017 and one in 2018. Later picks are immaterial and irrelevant because they hold so little value. The opportunity cost of giving up two first round picks is massive, either viewed in terms of young talent we didn't take or other experienced players we couldn't bring to the club.

 I don't like his salary or the length of his deal, but it is no more stupid than the contracts given to Kolodjashnij, Vandenberg or Goodwin in recent times. It is about time we started equating contracts with performance.

based on what ? before his knee he was producing elite levels. had a good round 1, so so round 2.

and I think 1 first rounders is a stretch when we got Harrison Petty at pick 37 as part of the deal.

and I rate Lever miles ahead of Stocker and O'Brien so far.

Lever, Pick 37 and Pick 47.

FOR

Pick 10 (2017), pick 19 (2018) and Pick 59 (2018)

[Demonstone 23,337]

55 minutes ago, Panamapapers said:

And Matthew newton won mark of the year..

Son of Bert!

[deanox 10,045]

2 hours ago, poita said:

Don't care about Riccuito's opinion on this or any other subject, but the Lever trade has been a disaster for Melbourne. I never liked the deal from the start and Lever has been a passenger since he got to the club. A 195cm defender on $700K plus a year minding small forwards because he doesn't have the strength to take key forwards - only at Melbourne. But hey, at least he can point well.

However you want to frame the deal, we gave up two first round draft picks, one in 2017 and one in 2018. Later picks are immaterial and irrelevant because they hold so little value. The opportunity cost of giving up two first round picks is massive, either viewed in terms of young talent we didn't take or other experienced players we couldn't bring to the club.

 I don't like his salary or the length of his deal, but it is no more stupid than the contracts given to Kolodjashnij, Vandenberg or Goodwin in recent times. It is about time we started equating contracts with performance.

I disagree.  The opportunity cost of what we paid isn't as high as you think it is. 

You'd need 1.7 of those picks to get a 100 gamer. On exposed form, Lever will be a 100 game player.

You'd need 6 of those picks to get an AA caliber player. Lever has already been named in the squad.

Holding on to the picks in the hope that we got 2 100+ gamers or even that we got one player better than Lever was the real gamble play here. We took the statistically smart decision. 

[Demonstone 23,337]

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Why has almost ever interstate recruit jumped ship? 

Remember the early days when players would walk over hot coals for a chance to play there?

[whatwhat say what 23,423]

17 minutes ago, deanox said:

I disagree.  The opportunity cost of what we paid isn't as high as you think it is. 

You'd need 1.7 of those picks to get a 100 gamer. On exposed form, Lever will be a 100 game player.

You'd need 6 of those picks to get an AA caliber player. Lever has already been named in the squad.

Holding on to the picks in the hope that we got 2 100+ gamers or even that we got one player better than Lever was the real gamble play here. We took the statistically smart decision. 

this

he turned 24 earlier this year; it's hardly like he's washed up

shouldn't even be at his peak, and should develop nicely alongside the other 18-25 year olds on our list:

13 of them played in our side's most recent win, and i'd hope that at least ten should be in our best / current 22 when the eldest turns 30

if i was doing a team with them all, right now...

B: Lockhart - O Mac - Smith
HB: Salem - Lever - Rivers
? Langdon - Petracca - Harmes
HF: Hunt - Weideman - ANB
F: Jackson - Fritsch - Pickett
Foll: Preuss - Oliver - Brayshaw
I/c: Hore - Petty - Sparrow - Bedford

that's not a completely terrible 25 and under side by any stretch of the imagination

[Dee Zephyr 19,269]

19 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

There are guys at his club that would walk over hot coals for that sort of coin. Or maybe not. 

 

36 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Remember the early days when players would walk over hot coals for a chance to play there?

Wasn’t a smart idea at all. 

Yikes....I’m out.

[ding 5,126]

2 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Howe didn't want to stay, though.  He wanted to play at the Pies because Buckley promised to play him forward... and look where he ended up.  In the backline.

Not much we can do about that.

Which is why i said "we could have tried".

Yes he initiated the trade by asking if one could be worked out with C'Wood, but we didnt exactly bend over backwards to keep him.

Lever has not been worth anything like the price we paid so far. Most AFL fans would recognise that as a reasonable summary based on what the has produced for us to date.

We can always just keep crossing our fingers though. No harm in hoping for the best.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

1 hour ago, deanox said:

On exposed form, Lever will be a 100 game player.

I'm glad about that,  'dox'    ☺️   ?  He's only got 23 to go.

[Demonstone 23,337]

50 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Wasn’t a smart idea at all. 

Jeez, not only had that gag about hot coals already been posted, I gave the original post a 'like' at the time as well.

Hello darkness, my old friend...

[old dee 24,000]

12 minutes ago, demonstone said:

Jeez, not only had that gag about hot coals already been posted, I gave the original post a 'like' at the time as well.

Hello darkness, my old friend...

Now I know for certain you are old ds.

S and G song