Oliver: The Forgotten Superstar?

[Deemania since 56 6,659]

12 hours ago, DeezNuts said:

Look at my icon, it’s there for a reason…

ball in hand, this guy, magic…. It can always happen..!

He's up there with Flower, Schwarta and Ronald Dale - entirely different players but our best big four.

 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

Mentioned on the Gus & Gawny podcast Oliver is just 21 votes away from getting the most coaches votes ever in a season. Will pass 2017 Dusty with most votes if he can do it. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Dee Zephyr

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

3 minutes ago, Dee Zephyr said:

Mentioned on the Gus & Gawny podcast Oliver is just 21 votes away from getting the most coaches votes ever in a season. Will pass 2017 Dusty with most votes if he can do it. 

Great stat… all I can say is

please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please 

[640MD 3,383]

30 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Great stat… all I can say is

please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please 

Yes I hope he does very well in the Downlow

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

Bump! 

You would assume Bontempeli will not get any votes (or very very few) from last nights match.

I'm assuming that 

Boak would get 10 votes and the other major votes shared between Wines, perhaps Hunter and Macrae from the Dogs...Bontempeli for a max of 4 votes??

 

With Bontempeli trailing by 3 - Oliver would need to poll a min of 0 votes and a max of 1 votes to sew up the AFLCA tonight.

So, he probably has won the AFLCA.

But, does it translate to the Brownlow? And does that even matter?

 

A bonefide superstar, forgotten or not.

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by Engorged Onion

[Webber 10,476]

14 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

But, does it translate to the Brownlow? And does that even matter?

No and no. Would that the Coaches Votes replaced the Brownlow. They’re the best table of who really deserves accolades, better than the media (possessions obsessed) and the umps (visibility focussed). They could be held in secret til season’s end, and would be much more suspenseful, with the broader spread of votes per game. 

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,842]

I think Oliver as a player can be characterised as being fairly similar to Michael Voss.  Asides from being a fiery red head, like Voss, he's a tough, no frills grunt player, who provides near endless drive for their team, but doesn't necessarily features that heavily in the game highlights reel.  Recognised by anyone who knows anything about footy as an out an out superstar.

I'm not sure that Clarry has quite nailed the leadership thing to the same extent as Voss just yet, but perhaps that's the next step in his evolution.  If you listen to Steven May's recent SEN interview, he credits Clarry as putting his hand up in preseason as making a commitment to become the best player he can for the team, so I think he is well on the way in this regards as well.

Edited August 21, 2021 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

[Wrecker46 2,997]

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

Bump! 

You would assume Bontempeli will not get any votes (or very very few) from last nights match.

I'm assuming that 

Boak would get 10 votes and the other major votes shared between Wines, perhaps Hunter and Macrae from the Dogs...Bontempeli for a max of 4 votes??

 

With Bontempeli trailing by 3 - Oliver would need to poll a min of 0 votes and a max of 1 votes to sew up the AFLCA tonight.

So, he probably has won the AFLCA.

But, does it translate to the Brownlow? And does that even matter?

 

A bonefide superstar, forgotten or not.

 

Are you sure Oliver leads by 3? I didn't think they published the last two rounds? I don't think Clarry would have polled very highly against Adelaide.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,842]

55 minutes ago, Webber said:

No and no. Would that the Coaches Votes replaced the Brownlow. They’re the best table of who really deserves accolades, better than the media (possessions obsessed) and the umps (visibility focussed). They could be held in secret til season’s end, and would be much more suspenseful, with the broader spread of votes per game. 

Agree.  The Brownlow has become tarnished over the years by some really shocking outcomes.  Doesn't deserve to be the penultimate players award.

Substituting the umpires votes for the coaches ones would bring back some much needed credibility.

[demon3165 2,726]

On 8/5/2021 at 2:34 PM, Deemania since 56 said:

He's up there with Flower, Schwarta and Ronald Dale - entirely different players but our best big four.

 

Not yet still has flaws when he learns that he has half second or so to lower the eyes and kicks to advantage and not just throw it on the boot, also stops running back into traffic, he needs to get to a point where he damages a side score wise but I agree this kid could be something special right up there with them.

[Engorged Onion 10,223]

31 minutes ago, Wrecker46 said:

Are you sure Oliver leads by 3? I didn't think they published the last two rounds? I don't think Clarry would have polled very highly against Adelaide.

Ah, you are right @Wrecker46 - well spotted.

Edited August 21, 2021 by Engorged Onion

[ManDee 7,162]

25 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

Agree.  The Brownlow has become tarnished over the years by some really shocking outcomes.  Doesn't deserve to be the penultimate players award.

Substituting the umpires votes for the coaches ones would bring back some much needed credibility.

Maybe it does deserve to be the penultimate players award 🙂

Edited August 21, 2021 by ManDee
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[Lucifers Hero 39,976]

Ollie Wines has had two excellent weeks so he could easily overtake Oliver in the Coaches Award.  Bontempelli has had two poor weeks so unlikely to win.  They may also cost him the Brownlow.

I reckon Oliver needs to get at least 8 votes tonight to win it as he probably didn't get any last week.  Shame he didn't kick any of those goals.

Edited August 21, 2021 by Lucifer's Hero

[BDA 22,759]

If he is to win an individual award i want it to be the Norm Smith. Means we'll in all likelihood have won the flag with him leading the charge. A flag and a Norm Smith would be fitting reward for him given his contribution for the last few years 

[58er 6,461]

8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Ollie Wines has had two excellent weeks so he could easily overtake Oliver in the Coaches Award.  Bontempelli has had two poor weeks so unlikely to win.  They may also cost him the Brownlow.

I reckon Oliver needs to get at least 8 votes tonight to win it as he probably didn't get any last week.  Shame he didn't kick any of those goals.

Last night I reckon Wines name was only mentioned about 10 times by the commentators and when he kicked that goal he was suddenly BOG!!!

Thought Boak  was easily the best on ground for impact and 4 quarter value plus his clutch goals.

Rozee all class and agsin goals and as usual Gray was pivotal and a prime mover in the fight back 

Obviously need to watch game again for Wines role. Just shows how if you butcher the ball in front of goals and handballs are just off slightly you need to have your best mids on top supplying that ball downfield and converting as well. 
 

BTW still good  to get Dogs out of Top4 as I have rated them ( until last night) as our main opponent but now reckon Port are potentially being given a dream run at home and may even play the Final there although not first choice at this moment.

Lets just win tonight Dees!!

[Wrecker46 2,997]

56 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Ah, you are right @Wrecker46 - well spotted.

I only knew mate cause of a link you sent a few weeks ago saying Oliver needed 21 votes in the last 3 weeks to get the most coaches votes ever. So I've been following it closely. He's not going to get most ever but hopefully he wins it.

[dees189227 12,394]

I just want him to be better when he kicks for goals. It would be nice to see him bob up & kick 2 or 3 a game like other mids can do. 

[Neil Crompton 5,576]

33 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I just want him to be better when he kicks for goals. It would be nice to see him bob up & kick 2 or 3 a game like other mids can do. 

Sorry, but what other mids kick 2 or 3 goals a game?

[chook fowler 19,459]

37 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

I just want him to be better when he kicks for goals. It would be nice to see him bob up & kick 2 or 3 a game like other mids can do. 

The excuse/explanation is that he is knackered by the time he gets to shoot for goal. His brand is high octane and it is remarkable that he is so durable that he rarely misses games. 

[demon3165 2,726]

8 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

The excuse/explanation is that he is knackered by the time he gets to shoot for goal. His brand is high octane and it is remarkable that he is so durable that he rarely misses games. 

No it's more his action and routine is what his problem is same as Gawn kicking on an arc does not help. 

[demon3165 2,726]

17 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Sorry, but what other mids kick 2 or 3 goals a game?

Dusty has 19 goals 7 points from 16 games and an overall from 2010 has kicked 291and 195 points and an average of 1.2 goals a game  Olivier has 7 goals 16  and overall from 2016 has kicked 36 goals and 37 points and an average .30 a game thats where he needs to aim for. 

[Neil Crompton 5,576]

56 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Dusty has 19 goals 7 points from 16 games and an overall from 2010 has kicked 291and 195 points and an average of 1.2 goals a game  Olivier has 7 goals 16  and overall from 2016 has kicked 36 goals and 37 points and an average .30 a game thats where he needs to aim for. 

no question, but that is still not 2 or 3 goals a game as was being requested by dees189227. There are not too many forwards averaging 2-3 goals a game, let alone mids.

[demon3165 2,726]

45 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

no question, but that is still not 2 or 3 goals a game as was being requested by dees189227. There are not too many forwards averaging 2-3 goals a game, let alone mids.

Yes fair point but I think his main point ( I might be wrong ) is having our mids be in more active in scoring shots every game.

[Hopeful Demon 1,517]

18 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Yes fair point but I think his main point ( I might be wrong ) is having our mids be in more active in scoring shots every game.

Petracca has certainly been active in that department. He's kicked 24 goals this year and he could end up with over 30 if we go deep into the finals. He must be our first midfielder in many years who's kicked over 20 goals in a season.

[Wrecker46 2,997]

Could get the 10 coaches votes tonight. Should win it.