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ALREADY DELISTED

Bennell, Dunkley, C. Wagner, J. Wagner

LIKELY TO GET DELISTED

O. McDonald 

LIKELY TO BE TRADED

Hannan, Preuss

POTENTIAL TO BE TRADED

T. McDonald, Jetta, Neal-Bullen

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    1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

    Just to go with this, I think it was Jon Ralph who tweeted that Essendon were trumping Carlton by offering their Pick 7 in any swap deals that might come up so Carlton can't do it with their #8 pick.  How petty can you get?

    And I totally agree with everything you said above.  

    Just for the laughs I hope Essendon do split their picks and then Carlton find another trading partner anyway. Still rooting for Saad to walk through to the PSD and be picked up by North.

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    Wrong thread

    Edited by Lucifer's Hero

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    So a nice tradable draft haul in 2020 now:

    • 2020: 26 (729), 31 (606), 33 (563), 43 (378), 50 (273), 68 (59), 69 (49)
    • 2021: 1st, 3rd, 4th

    Something has to give for Ben Brown

    Dogs

    • 2020 14 (1161), 41 (412), 54 (220) = 1793.  If JUH gets bid at pick 1 they need 2400. So they're ~600 short.
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    14 minutes ago, Pollyanna said:

    So a nice tradable draft haul in 2020 now:

    • 2020: 26 (729), 31 (606), 33 (563), 43 (378), 50 (273), 68 (59), 69 (49)
    • 2021: 1st, 3rd, 4th

    Something has to give for Ben Brown

    Dogs

    • 2020 14 (1161), 41 (412), 54 (220) = 1793.  If JUH gets bid at pick 1 they need 2400. So they're ~600 short.

    Thanks P.  So is it a matter of the Dogs trading 14 for something that with their current picks can get them to 2400?

    I.e. if they trade 14 to us, we give them 26 (729), 31 (606), 43 (378), 68 (59) which along with picks 41 (412) and 54 (220) gets them to 2,404?

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    4 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

    Thanks P.  So is it a matter of the Dogs trading 14 for something that with their current picks can get them to 2400?

    I.e. if they trade 14 to us, we give them 26 (729), 31 (606), 43 (378), 68 (59) which along with picks 41 (412) and 54 (220) gets them to 2,404?

    Yes that would work, but it would be generous of us.  However they need to have as many list vacancies as they have picks going into the draft so that may be tough for them to have 6 vacancies.

    The other option open to them is to go into points deficit in 2021 if they use all their 2020 picks.  Freo did this 2019 to 2020 - the deficit comes off the first pick so Freo's 2020 1st rounder has been pushed back a couple of slots by that.

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    On 11/6/2020 at 6:26 PM, MadAsHell said:

    ALREADY DELISTED Bennell, Dunkley, C. Wagner, J. Wagner   LIKELY TO GET DELISTED. O.McDonald   TRADED  Hannan, Preuss  POTENTIAL TO BE TRADED T.McDonald 

    Updated on the above.  
    Given 45 (44+cat b Bradtke) on list for 2020 then we remove 7 (assume Tmcd stays).  
    Add Ben Brown, thats 39 (38+Bradtke) on list.

    AFL says 42+cat b. So can add 4 from the draft or DFA pool. 
     

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    With trades done and dusted and the first Club lists due on Friday (and another the following Friday) I'd expect some announcements for our OOC players this week.

    State of the Nation, mfc view:

    • Current List is 40.  (36 Senior players, 3 'A' Rookies and 1 'B' Rookie)
    • Our OOC players:  3 Seniors:  Bedford, Jordon, OMc.  4 Rookies:  M. Brown 'A', Lockhart 'A', Chandler 'A' and Bradtke 'B'
    • Allowed List in 2021 is 44:  (Max of 38 Senior players, and up to 6 rookies (total of A+B).
    • Spots available is 4:  2 Senior spots and 2 rookie spot
    • Potentially 5 draft picks (18, 19, 28, 50, 89). 
    • Clubs need to take only one player at this years draft.
    • The advantage of rookies is the first $80K of their sal is not included in the sal cap.  so up to a $480k sal cap buffer.
    • afaik if we want to keep Lockhart we need to promote him to the seniors as rules don't allow 3 years as a rookie.  We can use pick 89 for this.
    • Mahoney said we would keep a list spot open eg DFA, PSSP, mid season drafts.  This would probably be a rookie spot. 

    If I had to guess on our OOC players:

    •  Bedford and maybe OMac rookied. 
    • Lockhart promoted using pick 89. 
    • M Brown and Chandler delisted. 
    • Bradtke retained. 

    This would give us an additional 1 senior spot (total of 3) and 1 additional rookie spot (total of 3).  That should cover our draftees, DFA's and a spare list spot.  And, draft picks 18, 19, 28 and 50 swapped in some way to give us 3 picks for draftees, taking 3 senior spots available.

    Footnote:  Hope my logic and arithmetic is right:cool:

     

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    8 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    With trades done and dusted and the first Club lists due on Friday (and another the following Friday) I'd expect some announcements for our OOC players this week.

    State of the Nation, mfc view:

    • Current List is 40.  (36 Senior players, 3 'A' Rookies and 1 'B' Rookie)
    • Our OOC players:  3 Seniors:  Bedford, Jordon, OMc.  4 Rookies:  M. Brown 'A', Lockhart 'A', Chandler 'A' and Bradtke 'B'
    • Allowed List in 2021 is 44:  (Max of 38 Senior players, and up to 6 rookies (total of A+B).
    • Spots available is 4:  2 Senior spots and 2 rookie spot
    • Potentially 5 draft picks (18, 19, 28, 50, 89). 
    • Clubs need to take only one player at this years draft.
    • The advantage of rookies is the first $80K of their sal is not included in the sal cap.  so up to a $480k sal cap buffer.
    • afaik if we want to keep Lockhart we need to promote him to the seniors as rules don't allow 3 years as a rookie.  We can use pick 89 for this.
    • Mahoney said we would keep a list spot open eg DFA, PSSP, mid season drafts.  This would probably be a rookie spot. 

    If I had to guess on our OOC players:

    •  Bedford and maybe OMac rookied. 
    • Lockhart promoted using pick 89. 
    • M Brown and Chandler delisted. 
    • Bradtke retained. 

    This would give us an additional 1 senior spot (total of 3) and 1 additional rookie spot (total of 3).  That should cover our draftees, DFA's and a spare list spot.  And, draft picks 18, 19, 28 and 50 swapped in some way to give us 3 picks for draftees, taking 3 senior spots available.

    Footnote:  Hope my logic and arithmetic is right:cool:

     

    you're definitely allowed to be a rookie for 3 years i thought. isn't it after 3 you have to make a decision up or out?

    imo

    Chandler, MBrown, Lockhart all rerookied

    OMac delisted

    Nietschke, Bedford, Jordon all retained as Snr listed players

    Bradtke retained as B

    that fills 35snr players and 3A 1B rookies allowing us to pick up 3 players with currently 18, 19, 28, 50 however i expect one more trade up the first round order and then we have 1A spot to look at a delisted FA.

    if i had to make a call on one rookie to be delisted alongside OMac it would definitely be Chandler as i dont see him getting senior opportunities next year due to numerous options as a small forward. we would then delist nietschke and re-rookie him and take all 4 picks in the draft passing at 89

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    2 minutes ago, Turner said:

    you're definitely allowed to be a rookie for 3 years i thought. isn't it after 3 you have to make a decision up or out?

    "Under the little-known AFL rule, if a player is offered a third year on the rookie list he can reject it and automatically become a free agent and move to his club of choice".  roos-to-use-little-known-rule-to-poach-bulldogs-defender

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    1 minute ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    "Under the little-known AFL rule, if a player is offered a third year on the rookie list he can reject it and automatically become a free agent and move to his club of choice".  roos-to-use-little-known-rule-to-poach-bulldogs-defender

    yeh i get that but you're not going to reject another year if its the only chance u have of playing afl footy? 

    lockhart will get promoted next year coz we're going to see a fair few drop off the senior list for sure

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    KK spot will be the one we hold for Mid season draft, I think someone mentioned that he can be removed off our list for this, similar to what Richmond did with Grigg to get Marlon Pickett

    I think Nietschke will be held onto as a rookie

    OMAC Delist

    Chandler Delist, cant see them keeping both Bedford and Chandler

     

     

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    Delisted:  J Wagner, C Wagner (r), Dunkley (r) 

    Retired: Bennell (r)

    Traded Out: Hannan, Preuss 

    Traded In: Ben Brown  -> 45-5 = 40

    I would also delist O McDonald and Chandler (r) -> 40-2 = 38

    Nietschke to move to rookie list alongside Lockhart and Mitch Brown with Bradtke - Cat B  

    Allow 6 more additions - 18, 19, 28 & 50  + DFA + rookie pick 10 (44 on list as 39 primary list + 4 rookie A + 1 rookie Cat B)

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    I'll email the club asking for a membership refund if they waste list spots on Mitch Brown and Oscar McDonald. I'd keep the young guys for a proper look at them under VFL conditions. Whether they go on the rookie list or even off the list entirely then back on as supplemental players once we retire KK might depend on draft picks and whether we find delisted players worth an immediate shot.

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    On 11/17/2020 at 2:36 PM, spirit of norm smith said:

    Delisted:  J Wagner, C Wagner (r), Dunkley (r) 

    Retired: Bennell (r)

    Traded Out: Hannan, Preuss 

    Traded In: Ben Brown  -> 45-5 = 40

    I would also delist O McDonald and Chandler (r) -> 40-2 = 38

    Nietschke to move to rookie list alongside Lockhart and Mitch Brown with Bradtke - Cat B  

    Allow 6 more additions - 18, 19, 28 & 50  + DFA + rookie pick 10 (44 on list as 39 primary list + 4 rookie A + 1 rookie Cat B)

    Bingo

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    15 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

    Aaron Nietschke has been delisted with a guarantee of being placed on the rookie list.

    Unless someone else gets in first, which I know is unlikely given his injuries.

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    The Age confirms we’ll be keeping Mitch Brown. Utterly stupid decision. A 5th string key forward who doesn’t compete in the air or pressure on the ground. Another wasted list spot. 
     

    How are we ever going to improve if we don’t turn over the list? We’ve got to start taking some chances on youth and untested players. Even if the odds they succeed are low at least we’ve tried some options. 

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    Don't mind Brown sticking around as cover for another year.

    2 Brownlow Votes last season! 

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    1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

    The Age confirms we’ll be keeping Mitch Brown. Utterly stupid decision. A 5th string key forward who doesn’t compete in the air or pressure on the ground. Another wasted list spot. 
     

    How are we ever going to improve if we don’t turn over the list? We’ve got to start taking some chances on youth and untested players. Even if the odds they succeed are low at least we’ve tried some options. 

    he's fourth string, definitely ahead of TMac if u go on last seasons form, also doubling up as ruck support its necessary to have ample talls as its impossible to have the same flexibility as u can with mids/forwards covering for each other when theres a stack of injuries without completely restructuring ur setup which obviously has repercussions 

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