Coronavirus: AFL & MFC

[Moonshadow 17,678]

3 hours ago, demonstone said:

We could merge with Carlton and call ourselves Melton...  (ducks for cover!) ?

Or merge with Sydney and become The Semens??

[Little Goffy 14,791]

I propose we merge with Matt Damon. We agree to use his name, but he wears our colours and gives us his fans, and money.

Sorted.

 

[Demonstone 23,426]

27 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Or merge with Sydney and become The Semens??

Come again?  Well, somebody had to say it.

[dieter 3,325]

49 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Or merge with Sydney and become The Semens??

They used to have a chapel at the end of Flinders Street, past Spencer Street, I think it was called The Seeman's Mission.

[Diamond_Jim 12,718]

50 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

The Northern Blues or to give them their historic name Preston were along with Port Melbourne the absolute power houses of the VFA. They were trailblazers in the world of televised sport and for a while during the seventies rivalled the lesser VFL teams attendance wise. The end of a club that has been in existence since 1882.

Some harsh lessons there

[Sir Why You Little 37,341]

Merge with Carlscum 

 

[censored] that idea right off

It’s not even funny 

[Cards13 9,117]

6 hours ago, america de cali said:

A sensible approach is for players to be paid on a percentage of generated club revenue, percentage to be agreed on. That would be fair assuming complete transparency is adhered to.  Further I would like to see all players be paid equally until certainty to the finances of the competition is restored.

NHL has a salary cap but the players also pay escrow:

”The NHL and NHLPA withhold a percentage of player salaries, or escrow, during the season as a mechanism to ensure teams and players achieve a 50-50 split of hockey related revenue, per the rules set in the CBA. ... The amount of the escrow is simply a function of how high the cap is. Higher the cap, higher the escrow.”

Players hate it as usually they have to pay 5% to escrow to balance out the salary paid vs hockey revenue on top of state taxes (some states have zero tax, some as high as 50%.)

[Cards13 9,117]

4 hours ago, dl4e said:

This talk of merging is totally gross. And especially with Carlton who as far as I am concerned can merge with the filth.

Horrific thought but one that needs to be played out in the boardroom as DJ has mentioned I think this is a real possibility for the 3 bottom tier clubs in Melb, us being one of them.

[Sir Why You Little 37,341]

3 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Horrific thought but one that needs to be played out in the boardroom as DJ has mentioned I think this is a real possibility for the 3 bottom tier clubs in Melb, us being one of them.

Merging with Carlscum should never ever be considered or spoken about. 
i would rather the MFC ceased to exist than to join forces with those bastards 

[trout 385]

31 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Merge with Carlscum 

 

[censored] that idea right off

It’s not even funny 

Agree totally, as if the world isn’t depressing enough at the moment you have people suggesting this.

[Demonland 73,834]

 

[Macca 17,120]

It's important to note that since October the players have been paid their salary up until now ... 5 monthly payments at a guess.

But the club was expecting money from gate receipts,  corporate,  ongoing sponsorship money,  NT money,  MCC money,  Pokies income and most importantly,  the end of year dividend from the AFL (which is often $12Million plus)  The membershio sales will have helped enormously but that money has slowed dramatically as well.

To state that we have a cash-flow issue would be understating things.  The flow would be slowing to a trickle so if there's no money,  there's no money.  Normally we'd have a credit line or overdraft with the promise of incoming money but again,  what money? 

The AFL has cash reserves to hopefully bail out the clubs but that could be eaten up quite quickly as well. 

And are there enough cash reserves?

You'd think not with the AFL asking the players to take a 79% pay cut. 

And will the AFL help out the clubs equally? 

Some of the clubs were in a precarious position before the Pandemic.  Others are cashed-up.  Our club would probably be in the lower tier of the middle ground.  And that's not a strong position by any means.

Edited March 26, 2020 by Macca

[Moonshadow 17,678]

2 hours ago, dieter said:

They used to have a chapel at the end of Flinders Street, past Spencer Street, I think it was called The Seeman's Mission.

The mission to seafarers

[dieter 3,325]

Just now, Moonshadow said:

The mission to seafarers

You don't say????I used to work in an old dilapidated building just before it in FLinders Street Extension back in the mid 1970's, dropped and picked up sailors there when I drove taxis from 1988 to 1993...  

[dieter 3,325]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

The Northern Blues or to give them their historic name Preston were along with Port Melbourne the absolute power houses of the VFA. They were trailblazers in the world of televised sport and for a while during the seventies rivalled the lesser VFL teams attendance wise. The end of a club that has been in existence since 1882.

Some harsh lessons there

I played cricket for Sunshine at the Preston Ground. 

[whatwhat say what 23,623]

another option - by far my preferred one - is that the afl finally embraces it's quasi-socialism and instead of clubs making revenue on gate takings, finals, merchandise etc., the afl takes it ALL and splits all revenues such as those, as well as broadcast rights etc., evenly between the 18 clubs

no more haves and have-nots, but instead everyone is on an equal footing

Edited March 26, 2020 by whatwhatsaywhat

[Sir Why You Little 37,341]

The AFL told the Clubs there is no games. 
i expect The AFL to keep all Clubs viable. 
That doesn’t mean pay all wages for now, people have to go. But the Clubs must be kept alive...

The AFL should die before the Clubs, if it comes to that point. 
 

No one barracks for the AFL

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

On 3/25/2020 at 10:50 AM, Demonland said:

 

I can't get past the paywall but I'm assuming Dangerfield wants the AFL to make player salaries public...

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

13 hours ago, DubDee said:

Would anyone on here on a fixed contract take 79% pay cut? Contracts are there for a reason. To provide job security especially in a career that on average lasts 4 years. The PA are there to represent the best interests of the playing group and that is what they are doing. 
extreme circumstances for sure but I’m trying to see things from the player’s perspective 

Why.?

Why not look at it from all our perspectives,  and the good of the community,  to maintain our code of footy far into our futures,  and that of our kids futures.

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

8 hours ago, demonstone said:

We could merge with Carlton and call ourselves Melton...  (ducks for cover!) ?

Ha... would that be the  Mel-ton blues.?   or perhaps  Mel-ton's Demons.?

[Dr. Gonzo 24,457]

1 hour ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

another option - by far my preferred one - is that the afl finally embraces it's quasi-socialism and instead of clubs making revenue on gate takings, finals, merchandise etc., the afl takes it ALL and splits all revenues such as those, as well as broadcast rights etc., evenly between the 18 clubs

no more haves and have-nots, but instead everyone is on an equal footing

This should have happened 20 years ago once they began compromising the fixture for tv dollars.

If at the end of all this Melbourne ends up merging or dying I'll be lost to the AFL. I don't think that would've been the case in the past but the game on its own is not enough to keep me interested anymore. Without the tribalism of supporting the club I have since I was born, that my family support, footy as it is played in the AFL would hold little interest.

[ProperDee 1,698]

2 hours ago, dieter said:

You don't say????I used to work in an old dilapidated building just before it in FLinders Street Extension back in the mid 1970's, dropped and picked up sailors there when I drove taxis from 1988 to 1993...  

Did you say hello when they got into your cab?

[Demonland 73,834]

 

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,071]

12 hours ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

another option - by far my preferred one - is that the afl finally embraces it's quasi-socialism and instead of clubs making revenue on gate takings, finals, merchandise etc., the afl takes it ALL and splits all revenues such as those, as well as broadcast rights etc., evenly between the 18 clubs

no more haves and have-nots, but instead everyone is on an equal footing

I think you'll find that the AFL (perhaps when it was the VFL) tried that and found that the clubs became lazy. There was no incentive for individual clubs to do anything for their members and supporters as there was no additional financial benefit from doing so. The current model (pre-coronavirus), with all its flaws, might be the best because it encourges all clubs to maximise their revenue while still supporting those which need more support. 

[No10 466]

I’m in London. I almost certainly have a mild case of the virus. For me it’s not been dramatic, I’m 40 and in solid health. They currently only test here if you’re admitted.

The first week was like a light flu. But the past three days it’s like someone standing on my chest (a very light person). I notice the work to breathe. I can fully appreciate the need for ventilators and the seriousness it could cause in others.

I’m completely fine and confident I’ll recover without any need for a hospital visit.

Regarding AFL!

I was firmly of the belief they’d play a few rounds and then be halted by a surge of cases.

Then infections would peak over a couple of months. At some stage, games could resume as Australia moved past the mass infection-at-once threat.

But it seems Australia is trying for full containment.

That appears different to the northern hemisphere, (which might be sensible, I’m not a doctor)

I wonder what this will mean for the rest of the season? I had optimism, but not so sure now.

Note- I know many people have far more concerning issues than if we’ll see football again in 2020. For those, I wish you the best and hope for the best.