POSTGAME: MS01 vs Adelaide

[Moonshadow 17,676]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

For me, it was a badge of honour to be considered to be your esteemed self.

Hardly! You're a Dante classic and I'm just a folk song from the 70s

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2 hours ago, old dee said:

My excuse is i was in a rush. However do you understand that comment?

Of course. Non-contested regionalistaion refers to the Korean DMZ.

Simples!

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

Crouch has incredibly escaped a suspension for his high bump on Oliver. Fined 2k.

Classic MRO stitch up yet again.

[DeeSpencer 25,713]

55 minutes ago, The Chazz said:

That is so far away from the point.  Clean, fast clearances from a centre bounce almost always end up in a scoring opportunity.  If we are setting up so that there is potentially one free opposition player coming in off the wing, and they get the clearance, it's vital that we stick that one tackle if the opportunity is there.

I can remember that there was at least twice that the commentators mentioned that Jones missed that specific tackle.  If the opposition breaks that tackle, we will be outnumbered, and they will score.  It's that simple.

This play is clearly backing our rucks/inside mids to dominate the centre bounce.  Will happen often, but when it doesn't, we need to make sure we limit the damage that could occur.

I think it was the opposite. Without a recognised ruck the winger was sent defensively to stop the clean tap and fast break by the opposition. If Gawn is back for Marsh 2 I think we'll see the wing return to the normal position.

It's also something they could be trialling to combat Nic Nat and Shuey against the Eagles in round 1. Either way it seems like a defensive move.

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26 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Crouch has incredibly escaped a suspension for his high bump on Oliver. Fined 2k.

Classic MRO stitch up yet again.

Outcome over action. Crazy really.

[Redleg 40,926]

47 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Crouch has incredibly escaped a suspension for his high bump on Oliver. Fined 2k.

Classic MRO stitch up yet again.

Steven May just laughs, at what he got, for less last year.

 

 

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On 2/22/2020 at 9:08 PM, DeeSpencer said:

Game plan:
Still conceded too many easy goals with lack of forward/mid pressure and defenders caught off their man. Our zones clearly weren't tight enough. Can we fix that easily?
Too many forward entries going to Brown and McDonald together.
And not enough run and link.

Positives were far more width in our play using the flanks making sure we retain possession. Much more midfield coverage around the stoppage and got cleaner ball going from the stoppages. Backline were steady with the ball. Forwards created good 2nd and 3rd opportunities for most of the game.

Individuals:
Tracc - super
Oliver ran the ball more especially in the second half
Viney looked to use team mates
Langdon was a refreshing sight - a proper wing runner. Tomlinson solid enough.

Brown - I'm still not convinced, he really doesn't like contact, but it at least an option
Sparrow showed a desire for the contest, ability to spread and some nicer ball use, tick
Vanders got through, looked like Vanders. If he cleans up his skills (will never be his strength) and keeps the tackling
Pickett (obviously) and Jackson (more subtle ways) showed they have something to work with

Backline: Harmes took a long time to work in to it. Lever battled early against weak opposition. Jetta got beat by a player who was just delisted a few times. Oscar was Oscar, the best thing is he can play his role by staying out of the way against the right opponent. Was haapy with Hibbo.

Mids: Overall a nice performance just have to close up those gaps without the ball and working on not all 3 (or 4 with a mobile ruck) hunting the ball.

Forwards: ANB dreadful when near the ball, a fumble machine. Spargo - some promise, if he was a first year kid we'd be raving, at a minimum he's back to being a guy we can use. Kosi - didn't find much of it but should've been used on brilliant sustained runs at least 3 or 4 times.

I agree on brown 

I was there for first half and I didn’t see anything much

he got one free kick contesting the drop zone and gave away two doing the same

good insurance but not very physical and poorly built too lean to be the bear in the square 

[58er 6,440]

14 minutes ago, dino rover said:

I agree on brown 

I was there for first half and I didn’t see anything much

he got one free kick contesting the drop zone and gave away two doing the same

good insurance but not very physical and poorly built too lean to be the bear in the square 

Brown was not that bad 3 goals from sniffing and competing the ball.

Did ANB do thst no!

Spargo  promising 

Defence Don't agree Thought  Lever did well early then dropped off and came again 

Hibbo By far the worst of the defenders and wasted the ball!

Oscar's opponent got a point !!!!

Lockhart will be and was a good contributor and was busy. Looked positive kicked well and broke game open on occasions  Well done 

Harmsey Quiet by his  own standards I still think he is best on ball and resting forward 

 

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41 minutes ago, dino rover said:

Brown - I'm still not convinced, he really doesn't like contact, but it at least an option

 

41 minutes ago, dino rover said:

I agree on brown 

I was there for first half and I didn’t see anything much

he got one free kick contesting the drop zone and gave away two doing the same

good insurance but not very physical and poorly built too lean to be the bear in the square 

 

21 minutes ago, 58er said:

Brown was not that bad 3 goals from sniffing and competing the ball.

I wonder If Brown is insurance to cover Jackson and Weide's roles.  For when they are off their games.

Jackson, I don't think he'll play every game, so Brown would be a good foil,  especially if Tracca is going well in the Mids.  Same again for Weide, if he has a low streak.  I see the 3 of them as optional rotations for one another.

 

He looks a good high forward option.  As is Tomlinson, for the midfield marking.

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5 hours ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Many observable things, such as:

• getting to where the ball is - consistently late;
• being behind the play and respective play-makers, missing tackles and positive ball possession opportunities; 
• slow motion sightseeing tours around opponents who are clearing the ball with relative ease and/or disposal 
• being '...where the ball ain't...'  for most of the game; and very possibly
• missing marks in contests and/or trailing a leading opposition forward so badly that all that one could do is to watch that opponent take an easy mark with the usual conversion to a six-pointer.

The latter point does produce some interesting facial expressions (poor thing) suggesting a role could be played in a far-away Under 12s competition.

There are other examples but these are the common ones. 

Regarding this player, who shall remain nameless, I wonder if you could guess who I am talking about for the very last time this coming season? (I am intolerant of constant onfield error that does not require further elaboration or experiential latitude.)

Have a nice day.

 

Just so I can get some perspective on your comments, did you see the game live or on the telly?

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2 hours ago, The Chazz said:

That is so far away from the point. Actually it's not, you were potting Jones and to back your point up you said it happened 2 or 3 times.  Binman has questioned that and my recollection is similar.

Clean, fast clearances from a centre bounce almost always end up in a scoring opportunity.  If we are setting up so that there is potentially one free opposition player coming in off the wing, and they get the clearance, it's vital that we stick that one tackle if the opportunity is there. Agreed, it's also pretty obvious that we won't get it right every time however it does play to one of our strengths. Potentially, if it is being done effectively the opposition player on the wing may be forced to move by his Coach. This may then open another strategy (like a plan B) that we have been working on. Regardless, I think it's great that opposition must react to what we are doing.

I can remember that there was at least twice that the commentators mentioned that Jones missed that specific tackle.  If the opposition breaks that tackle, we will be outnumbered, and they will score.  It's that simple. Ok, so we can confirm now that you got this idea from the commentators (in particular Gerard Healy). Where you may have misunderstood the Jones missed tackle count is that it was mentioned more than once by Healy but it was the same piece of play.

This play is clearly backing our rucks/inside mids to dominate the centre bounce.  Will happen often, but when it doesn't, we need to make sure we limit the damage that could occur. Agreed

 

[Skuit 10,031]

On 2/23/2020 at 8:45 PM, Pates said:

I wouldn’t say I completely disagree with most of your points but I’ll look at these two in particular. TMac looked completely off the pace in the first half, he didn’t seem to know when to make leads or hold back for the long ball. Some of this can be attributed to 2019ish forward entries, neither he nor Brown were given good delivery during that half. Second half though Tom seemed to come into the game more, he clunked some good marks, got hit up on the lead and nailed the goals (most importantly). 3 goals is a decent return for the day given he was absent in the first half. 

Browns goals you can call them junk time but first quarter he looked like our only forward capable of hitting the scoreboard. Should’ve had 3 for the quarter. For the rest of the day he competed and brought the ball to ground, it wasn’t a starring performance but a decent start to his time in red and blue.  

I was probably a bit unfair on Tomald, considering the circumstances, and nearly had a small breakdown when I thought I saw him take off his shoe. Like when he was at CHB though, he needs to reminded that being a play-maker isn't a required part of his role. 

As for Brown - I don't want to be too disparaging, but his goals weren't particularly well-crafted. One was courtesy of a soft free kick (and he gave away a few after that), and another was a fairly ugly dribbler that was lucky to go through. He also missed an easy set-shot. 

I think he could well be the type of player to quietly contribute a couple goals per game, but I'm not sure if goal average is much of a metric used by footy clubs nowadays. We're crying out for a forward with a strong marking presence, and I'm afraid he's not it.

Rather than a 22-gamer as some were declaring early on,  I think if he's being selected - as was mentioned at the time of his recruitment - then we probably have some serious problems. Right now I would go with an extra medium ahead of Brown as a second key.   

[Pates 9,660]

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

I think he could well be the type of player to quietly contribute a couple goals per game, but I'm not sure if goal average is much of a metric used by footy clubs nowadays. We're crying out for a forward with a strong marking presence, and I'm afraid he's not it.

Rather than a 22-gamer as some were declaring early on,  I think if he's being selected - as was mentioned at the time of his recruitment - then we probably have some serious problems. Right now I would go with an extra medium ahead of Brown as a second key.   

Definitely agree with pretty much agree with all of that. I see him playing about 12 games and probably contributing a couple of goals most games. He’s definitely not the answer to our forward prayers but I think he will be a solid contributor. 

[waynewussell 5,748]

Brown was a bee's dic from a five goal game in his first outing for the Dees... still we have some here grumbling about his weaknesses!

[Pates 9,660]

Just a quick positive that surprisingly hasn’t really been mentioned. Cracked 100 points this game, remember in 2018 we did it more than anyone, last year it happened 3 times. 

[Skuit 10,031]

28 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Brown was a bee's dic from a five goal game in his first outing for the Dees... still we have some here grumbling about his weaknesses!

2013: "Sellar bags five as Demons open pre-season account!!!" 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sellar-bags-five-as-demons-open-preseason-account-20130303-2fely.html

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2 hours ago, Skuit said:

I was probably a bit unfair on Tomald, considering the circumstances, and nearly had a small breakdown when I thought I saw him take off his shoe. Like when he was at CHB though, he needs to reminded that being a play-maker isn't a required part of his role. 

As for Brown - I don't want to be too disparaging, but his goals weren't particularly well-crafted. One was courtesy of a soft free kick (and he gave away a few after that), and another was a fairly ugly dribbler that was lucky to go through. He also missed an easy set-shot. 

I think he could well be the type of player to quietly contribute a couple goals per game, but I'm not sure if goal average is much of a metric used by footy clubs nowadays. We're crying out for a forward with a strong marking presence, and I'm afraid he's not it.

Rather than a 22-gamer as some were declaring early on,  I think if he's being selected - as was mentioned at the time of his recruitment - then we probably have some serious problems. Right now I would go with an extra medium ahead of Brown as a second key.   

yeah I agree on Brown. despite his height, he looks more of a player in the mould of a Fritsch or Melksham than a key forward to my eye. handy enough depth, but i'd still be going with a forward line of TMac and Weid as the keys, and Fritsch and Melk as the mid sized forwards. also possibly with Jackson in the team as an option who can fill in up forward if needed too. so no need for Brown unless there's injuries.

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33 minutes ago, Pates said:

Just a quick positive that surprisingly hasn’t really been mentioned. Cracked 100 points this game, remember in 2018 we did it more than anyone, last year it happened 3 times. 

Great point

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36 minutes ago, Pates said:

Just a quick positive that surprisingly hasn’t really been mentioned. Cracked 100 points this game, remember in 2018 we did it more than anyone, last year it happened 3 times. 

I don't want to be a downer Pates, but so did St Kilda, Western, and Gold Coast - all of which struggled to kick goals for the most part of last year. Meanwhile, last year's two highest scoring teams - Geelong and Brisbane - notched sub-80 scores. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

3 hours ago, Skuit said:

and another was a fairly ugly dribbler that was lucky to go through. 

I saw a great piece of opportunism and a player making the right decision when he only had a second to do so.  That's footy smarts, and that's why he jagged that goal off the ground.

I guess we see it in a way that suits our argument, though.

[Young Blood 2,620]

22 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

I saw a great piece of opportunism and a player making the right decision when he only had a second to do so.  That's footy smarts, and that's why he jagged that goal off the ground.

I guess we see it in a way that suits our argument, though.

I watched a fair bit of Brown at Essendon. As much as their forward line was pretty depleted much of last year he played some great football. As WB noted he is an opportunist forward. He's usually the third option. He's got great aerobic capacity, runs hard and finds space. If he can kick some 'ugly dribblers' that go through the sticks as well this season I'll be happy. 

As others have noted he was recruited for forward depth. When you consider him a backup he's one of the more consistent backups in the league. If we can stay healthy our marking options are looking better this year: Tmac, Fritsch, Weid, Brown, Melk, Trac, Jackson, Tomlinson, Gawn and AVB. 

Edited February 25, 2020 by Yung Blood

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On 2/22/2020 at 11:07 PM, bingers said:

For years Jee-long fans complained how hopeless Hawkins was. Eventually he came good. We can only hope that Weiderman follows the same path.  

Yes, as a forward..  Just hope he doesn't become a whinging petulant prjck though.

On 2/23/2020 at 4:10 PM, D4Life said:

Point well made, he went backwards last year, but played some very smart football in 2018. Give him some injury free time and see how he goes in 2020.

Great to hear the team finished strongly yesterday, and while only a practice match a lot better start than last year.

As previously mentioned bring in Max, May, Brayshaw, Fritsch and a Finger’s crossed on an injury free year for Smith, and the team is looking a lot better than last year!

Go Demon’s in this even Olympic year!

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On 2/23/2020 at 4:53 PM, Laughing Goat said:

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Speaking of the recruits, I though Pickett although only a few touches looked like he could be something special.

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Go Dees

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On 2/23/2020 at 5:27 PM, Bring-Back-Powell said:

What the?

i was pleased with yesterday but I just thought it was worth acknowledging that Adelaide were without Sloane and Laird (2 very high quality players) in the second half after we were trailing at half time.

I wasn’t putting  a negative spin on yesterday. Just stating the facts. And they also had Walker, Smith and Seedsman out.

It’s highly likely we still would’ve won had Sloane and Laird played out the game, as we looked the fitter side.

Wasn't mindfulness something that Mrs Roos introduced?

 

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11 hours ago, Skuit said:

2013: "Sellar bags five as Demons open pre-season account!!!" 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/sellar-bags-five-as-demons-open-preseason-account-20130303-2fely.html

Yes I was thinking about that game from James, while watching the replay of Saturdays game, Brown kicked his goals the same way seller did that day, but Brown is a totally different player to seller, he runs both ways and has a history of kicking goals, He works hard and is more creative then seller could ever be.

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19 hours ago, Yung Blood said:

I watched a fair bit of Brown at Essendon. As much as their forward line was pretty depleted much of last year he played some great football. As WB noted he is an opportunist forward. He's usually the third option. He's got great aerobic capacity, runs hard and finds space. If he can kick some 'ugly dribblers' that go through the sticks as well this season I'll be happy. 

As others have noted he was recruited for forward depth. When you consider him a backup he's one of the more consistent backups in the league. If we can stay healthy our marking options are looking better this year: Tmac, Fritsch, Weid, Brown, Melk, Trac, Jackson, Tomlinson, Gawn and AVB. 

Petty

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2 hours ago, 58er said:

Petty

Seems a rather harsh assessment of Yung Blood's fairly positive contribution.