On 1/2/2020 at 8:57 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I hardly missed a pre season session, most of the ops were upper body, so the running, aerobic fitness didn't lack

Towards the end of pre season most were back in the main group and looking good

My opinion, the lack of a 'proper' preseason became an excuse that got repeated so often, it became fact, and an out for a non.performing player

Other 'reporters' would have reported exactly the same thing,  apart from the occasional skill error to give Demonland something to hang their hat on

My opinion the issue was mental and too many voices and messages trying to right the ship

I think what is happening is you are trying in vain to defend your total misreading of where we were at the start of 2019.

You're digging a deeper hole, just let it go and admit you were wrong, everyone who has an opinion is sometimes, you'll feel better and be free.

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Ask the same question again, if we have a disappointing 2020, what will be the reason

 

As @McQueen says, you're leading with your chin.  If we have a better year this year on the back of a better physical preparation that will prove you were wrong? Seriously, think it through.

Edited January 3, 20205 yr by Fifty-5

Soooooo training next week should be pretty good. 

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Soooooo training next week should be pretty good. 

Surely there's not a single player with an interrupted preseason so far???

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I sense the nervousness and were only 3 months away from kicking a ball in anger.

God help us all.

Enjoy the tennis season peeps.

8 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Surely there's not a single player with an interrupted preseason so far???

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I’ve spoken to them and can confirm they’re all on track for round 1. 

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’ve spoken to them and can confirm they’re all on track for round 1. 

there's not a house standing within 2km of gosch's paddock. no better indicator. i confirmed it with google earth.

Edited January 3, 20205 yr by daisycutter

6 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I’ve spoken to them and can confirm they’re all on track for round 1. 

As the black knight would say: "It's only a flesh wound!"

On 1/2/2020 at 1:32 PM, Satyriconhome said:

On 1/2/2020 at 8:57 PM, Satyriconhome said:

My opinion, the lack of a 'proper' preseason became an excuse that got repeated so often, it became fact, and an out for a non.performing player

Most players were ready to go 1st round, physically

So, we finished near bottom ‘cos we’re tish. 
 

Now that’s a more worrying assessment to entertain going forward than the alternative.

10 hours ago, Win4theAges said:

God help us all.

That's the MFC mission statement & corporate logo

In lieu of any real training reports at this time of year I can provide a little eye-witness report from this morning.

Jack Viney and Jake Lever completed at least an hour of solid and intense running at an oval where I was also doing some group fitness training – so I was able to watch them pretty closely for the 60 mins while I was there (in breaks between my own intense workout of course!).

100m sprints, 50m sprints, shorter and more dynamic agility work, then some kicking of the footy.

Was very impressed with the sprinting they were both doing given their recent issues of the last few years. Both looking very smooth and quick, not hampered at all, from what I could tell. Jack especially looked really smooth, fast and lean.

Not much else to add but from my perspective they both look in tip top shape and appear to be two very highly driven individuals.

On the morning of NYE there was also a slightly larger group with Lever, Salem, Jetta and Weideman at the same ground but they were finishing as I arrived so didn’t see how they went on that occasion.

12 hours ago, daisycutter said:

there's not a house standing within 2km of gosch's paddock. no better indicator. i confirmed it with google earth.

Beautiful! Should be enough room for the new training oval and social club!

17 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Soooooo training next week should be pretty good. 

Can you stay on topic please.  Oh.....yeh. 

Should be in Melbourne the first week and hope to get to a training or two. 

20 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

I think what is happening is you are trying in vain to defend your total misreading of where we were at the start of 2019.

You're digging a deeper hole, just let it go and admit you were wrong, everyone who has an opinion is sometimes, you'll feel better and be free.

Defending myself from what, the experts on Demonland, please

An opinion is neither right or wrong, some on here could do with learning that

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Defending myself from what, the experts on Demonland, please

An opinion is neither right or wrong, some on here could do with learning that

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

...back to training, the club don't have any details up at the moment but are the players due back on the Friday? or are they back the following Monday?

3 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Defending myself from what, the experts on Demonland, please

An opinion is neither right or wrong, some on here could do with learning that

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

Yep one more shovel and you'll see China.

4 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Defending myself from what, the experts on Demonland, please

An opinion is neither right or wrong, some on here could do with learning that

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

Huh? Of course an opinion can be wrong. For example yours about the impact of injuries on 2019. Facts are facts.

Are you aware that there are a growing number of people who have an opinion tbat the earth is flat and others who believe the CIA replaced all birds with robots? 

And millions of americans have a very strong opinion that God  created the earth in 7 days. They truly believe that to be the case.

In these example the opinions are wrong. People have every right to have these opinions, as of course you do, but be that as it may they are wrong. 

 

On 1/2/2020 at 8:57 PM, Satyriconhome said:

I hardly missed a pre season session, most of the ops were upper body, so the running, aerobic fitness didn't lack

Towards the end of pre season most were back in the main group and looking good

My opinion, the lack of a 'proper' preseason became an excuse that got repeated so often, it became fact, and an out for a non.performing player

Other 'reporters' would have reported exactly the same thing,  apart from the occasional skill error to give Demonland something to hang their hat on

My opinion the issue was mental and too many voices and messages trying to right the ship

While having the training reports all reporting wonderful times when they must have been some doubts somewhere, is not good. It aint their fault. Apart from causing demonland hopes to fail dramatically !

Any fault lies in the inability of the Football Department and the Coaching staff to understand or take into account the extent of the problems caused by the Pre season medical issues and the interrupted preseason physical fitness regime.

In my view, the coaches and FD should have known this would cause problems (because it was their job) and they did Bugger All to fix or mitigate it. In other words they failed dismally, any other corporate world they might well have been looking for new work.  Some have paid the price, but no admission of corporate responsibility has been forth coming. If this was Japan there would be blood and sharp knives all over the place. 

However I do look forward to 2020, when you are in the bottom of a bloody big hole you can only look up, and I do think we might go that way. I actually read with pleasure the various training reports each with a different perspective and this year they should all be congratulated. They cannot be all on the corporate payroll surely.  They all paint a picture of general optimism but also highlight good and bad points of various players. 

2019 was a [censored] of a year, and the administration of the club did not deliver what was needed. 2020 needs to start with a loud BANG !

Just my view    Go Dees !!   

One aspect of the team’s performances that was often commented upon until well into the season was its general inaccuracy in front of goal compared with that of the opposition. This was particularly noticeable in the final quarter for game after game. The Adelaide game was a perfect example but there were a number of examples until the wheels fell off completely in the last seven rounds.

I was discussing this with someone from outside of the club who is well qualified and highly thought of in the fitness field. His observation was that he attributed it mainly to lower levels of stamina at the end of games brought on by an insufficient fitness base of the group due to a lack of a proper pre season. Once the tiredness sets in, it also affects the mental side of things as well.

This is something that we’ve known for some time but what we underestimated was the severity of the problem. Because so many of our players had limited preseasons it hurt us badly.

41 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

One aspect of the team’s performances that was often commented upon until well into the season was its general inaccuracy in front of goal compared with that of the opposition. This was particularly noticeable in the final quarter for game after game. The Adelaide game was a perfect example but there were a number of examples until the wheels fell off completely in the last seven rounds.

I was discussing this with someone from outside of the club who is well qualified and highly thought of in the fitness field. His observation was that he attributed it mainly to lower levels of stamina at the end of games brought on by an insufficient fitness base of the group due to a lack of a proper pre season. Once the tiredness sets in, it also affects the mental side of things as well.

This is something that we’ve known for some time but what we underestimated was the severity of the problem. Because so many of our players had limited preseasons it hurt us badly.

I joined a fitness gym recently where you need to do boxing and I find it difficult to get simple combination punches in the right order when I am exhausted. There is no doubt fatigue played a factor in our disposal.

Fitness crucified us last year. Not just injury.

12 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

On 1/3/2020 at 1:17 AM, Watson11 said:

At the forum, they had all the GPS stats up and only 2 players did more than 50% of the loads required last preseason. Max was the highest, at 80% from memory.  The issue was only mental to the extent that players quickly had no confidence in anything due to their poor conditioning.
 

It was Jordan Lewis who had done the most work - arguably the least important of the midfield group being highlighted. Max was the only other individual to have done more than half the prep and I think you're right about it being 80% or so.

Also correct that no other player had done even half, Oliver was around one quarter!

Melkie I think was at zero.

14 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

 

Nobody will change my opinion that the issue was 99.9% mental in a majority of players, theb other 0.1% the ongoing injuries affecting the consistency of team and effort

I am not wanting to be personal here but I must ask: were you not at the information night?

If you were there, or if you know what was presented, how could that not change your opinion?

8 hours ago, 640MD said:

While having the training reports all reporting wonderful times when they must have been some doubts somewhere, is not good. It aint their fault. Apart from causing demonland hopes to fail dramatically !

Any fault lies in the inability of the Football Department and the Coaching staff to understand or take into account the extent of the problems caused by the Pre season medical issues and the interrupted preseason physical fitness regime.

In my view, the coaches and FD should have known this would cause problems (because it was their job) and they did Bugger All to fix or mitigate it. In other words they failed dismally, any other corporate world they might well have been looking for new work.  Some have paid the price, but no admission of corporate responsibility has been forth coming.

Bugger. This thread is turning me into Accuracy Cop!

Sorry MD but one of the lesser reported elements of the Info Night was that in addition to the interrupted and inadequate pre-season preparation there was one other major factor affecting performance through the season - the weekly injury toll. Every week there were at least two forced changes to the team due to injury or illness. While Brisbane had six weeks with no forced changes, we had none.

This related to your points  in this way: the football department said they knew we'd be in strife, or would struggle through the first two months of the season. But they hoped to be in a position to build fitness from there. They hoped to win enough games in those first two months to be able to build into the season. As the injuries continued weekly to disrupt the team's preparation and the players had too little time to implement systems within a stable unit this did not happen.

From their account they did understand the scale of the problem but the strategy they had to overcome it was never able to be implemented due to the recurring injury toll.

No-one has to accept the explanation but that is what they offered. It is consistent with accounts we have heard of Misson briefing the board that the early rounds were going to be a tishfight.

 

12 hours ago, binman said:

Huh? Of course an opinion can be wrong. For example yours about the impact of injuries on 2019. Facts are facts.

Are you aware that there are a growing number of people who have an opinion tbat the earth is flat and others who believe the CIA replaced all birds with robots? 

And millions of americans have a very strong opinion that God  created the earth in 7 days. They truly believe that to be the case.

In these example the opinions are wrong. People have every right to have these opinions, as of course you do, but be that as it may they are wrong. 

 

are you saying the cia didn't replace all birds with robots?