WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - MITCH BROWN

[JakovichScissorKick 771]

Great signing. He can play both ends and will play a fair bit of senior footy next season.

[KingDingAling 3,757]

Great pick up. Really good player. Underrated and capable of really making a difference. Exactly the type of player our forward line needs. This will free up Weideman a little bit, and allow McDonald to push up the ground and use his engine. 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

9 hours ago, rpfc said:

 

You’re both right!

No, he’s a good pick up who costs nothing.

I’m happy about it.

[Dee Watcher 71]

If Weid doesn't make the leap in development this year he will play alot of footy for us

[chook fowler 19,458]

8 hours ago, JakovichScissorKick said:

Great signing. He can play both ends and will play a fair bit of senior footy next season.

If he plays a lot of senior footy next year, we're stuffed.

[spirit of norm smith 16,436]

Very handy free pickup. Versatile.  Smart player.
 

Played some good footy last year and provides insurance to cover Weid and Tmcd which we didn’t have last year. 

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

Trying to work out why I hate this signing so much and I think I've got it.

He's the key forward version of Lewis. He's old, so even if he came in and had one good year he'd be done within 2-3 years - so he's sucking up development time that keeps others in the 2's. He has ok endurance but otherwise no significant athleticism. He has good skills but how much will he use them? He doesn't like the contest - the majority of the marks on his highlights are chest marks. And defensively he's a liability.

Essendon got rid of him because they want to play aggressive front half football with defensive pressure under their new coaches. They also probably know that when you have a Mitch Brown you play a Mitch Brown and that gets you absolutely nowhere long term.

Drafting Pickett and Jackson is a clear sign we want to bring more athleticism and pressure to the forward line and in Jackson's case around the midfield as well.

Why are we adding a poor mans Jack Watts' who's one dimensional and averages 1 tackle per game?

[Fat Tony 5,228]

15 hours ago, John Demonic said:

I didn't speak to any Essendon supporters this week and i'd appreciate a few Likes for my efforts.

Nor did I, and I am married to one!

[Demon Disciple 12,118]

19 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Nor did I, and I am married to one!

I commend you on your efforts FT. Well done!

[Gator 17,332]

29 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Trying to work out why I hate this signing so much and I think I've got it.

He's the key forward version of Lewis. He's old, so even if he came in and had one good year he'd be done within 2-3 years - so he's sucking up development time that keeps others in the 2's. He has ok endurance but otherwise no significant athleticism. He has good skills but how much will he use them? He doesn't like the contest - the majority of the marks on his highlights are chest marks. And defensively he's a liability.

Essendon got rid of him because they want to play aggressive front half football with defensive pressure under their new coaches. They also probably know that when you have a Mitch Brown you play a Mitch Brown and that gets you absolutely nowhere long term.

Drafting Pickett and Jackson is a clear sign we want to bring more athleticism and pressure to the forward line and in Jackson's case around the midfield as well.

Why are we adding a poor mans Jack Watts' who's one dimensional and averages 1 tackle per game?

Jeez you overthink things.

He's cheap and handy tall forward depth.  Break glass if required.

[Sir Why You Little 37,025]

Lots of Essendrug Supporters are not happy Brown was chopped 

Could be an excellent late pick up

Crack in and make that evil club regret

 

Hate Essendrug till death

[Slartibartfast 17,257]

45 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He's the key forward version of Lewis. He's old, so even if he came in and had one good year he'd be done within 2-3 years - so he's sucking up development time that keeps others in the 2's.

I think this is a big misconception.  Keeping players in the 2's and letting them learn their craft there rather than in seniors when they are not really ready for it is a big plus for me.  Let players develop at their appropriate level and promote them when they are ready.

Secondly we are not in "development" mode, we are in "win the flag mode".  The player that is the most valuable to the team at the time plays.  I hope we've passed the "give the kids a game to give them a taste" stage.  We're better than that.

A good moneyball selection for mine.

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

2 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I think this is a big misconception.  Keeping players in the 2's and letting them learn their craft there rather than in seniors when they are not really ready for it is a big plus for me.  Let players develop at their appropriate level and promote them when they are ready.

Secondly we are not in "development" mode, we are in "win the flag mode".  The player that is the most valuable to the team at the time plays.  I hope we've passed the "give the kids a game to give them a taste" stage.  We're better than that.

A good moneyball selection for mine.

Weideman has had his time at Casey. It’s time for him to get an extended run.

Moneyball also implies there’s a skill we’ve identified that Brown can contribute that makes him undervalued. 

I don’t think there is. The undervalued skills for key forwards as far as I see them are: 1. Forward pressure. 2. Being able to split a pack and not get outmarked. 3. Versatility to go in to the ruck. 

The moneyball parts of Brown’s game are accurate goal kicking - but I don’t think he can generate many shots on goal - and a supposed ability to go down back.

[Demon3 2,541]

17 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weideman has had his time at Casey. It’s time for him to get an extended run.

Moneyball also implies there’s a skill we’ve identified that Brown can contribute that makes him undervalued. 

I don’t think there is. The undervalued skills for key forwards as far as I see them are: 1. Forward pressure. 2. Being able to split a pack and not get outmarked. 3. Versatility to go in to the ruck. 

The moneyball parts of Brown’s game are accurate goal kicking - but I don’t think he can generate many shots on goal - and a supposed ability to go down back.

He is durable and works hard. its 2 good traits, and lets be brutally honest, Tom Mc has had one good year as a fwd and Weid hasn't come on yet, so for a cheap acquisition that could play and imapct its a good decision IMO.

[roy11 3,851]

47 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I think this is a big misconception.  Keeping players in the 2's and letting them learn their craft there rather than in seniors when they are not really ready for it is a big plus for me.  Let players develop at their appropriate level and promote them when they are ready.

Secondly we are not in "development" mode, we are in "win the flag mode".  The player that is the most valuable to the team at the time plays.  I hope we've passed the "give the kids a game to give them a taste" stage.  We're better than that.

A good moneyball selection for mine.

Also if he is in the 2s he'll hopefully offer some on-field guidance to the young brigade - which in turn helps their development (hopefully)

[Master Deebater 492]

Potentially a great Money ball get.

An experienced player like Mitch was sorely missed last year.

If he has a minor role next season it means we have Weids & Tmac firing.

And therefore we should be finals bound.

 

[MyFavouriteMartian 572]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weideman has had his time at Casey. It’s time for him to get an extended run.

Yes, but he now has to really earn his place, instead of getting games in developmental periods.  Last year was his for the taking, but he had issues with injury.  Now there is no rocks to hide behind.

He has shown on a few occasions he has the stuff.  But no gimmies, for any of our 4 yr + players.

Weide's time is now, to be a strong contributor.

Edited December 4, 2019 by MyFavouriteMartian

[old55 23,541]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Trying to work out why I hate this signing so much and I think I've got it.

He's the key forward version of Lewis. He's old, so even if he came in and had one good year he'd be done within 2-3 years - so he's sucking up development time that keeps others in the 2's. He has ok endurance but otherwise no significant athleticism. He has good skills but how much will he use them? He doesn't like the contest - the majority of the marks on his highlights are chest marks. And defensively he's a liability.

Essendon got rid of him because they want to play aggressive front half football with defensive pressure under their new coaches. They also probably know that when you have a Mitch Brown you play a Mitch Brown and that gets you absolutely nowhere long term.

Drafting Pickett and Jackson is a clear sign we want to bring more athleticism and pressure to the forward line and in Jackson's case around the midfield as well.

Why are we adding a poor mans Jack Watts' who's one dimensional and averages 1 tackle per game?

His stats stack up OK with Brody Mihocek who is the KPF at a Premiership contender

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=3121&fid1=P&fopt1=2018&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&pid2=6553&fid2=P&fopt2=2018&type=A

[drysdale demon 4,830]

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Weideman has had his time at Casey. It’s time for him to get an extended run.

Moneyball also implies there’s a skill we’ve identified that Brown can contribute that makes him undervalued. 

I don’t think there is. The undervalued skills for key forwards as far as I see them are: 1. Forward pressure. 2. Being able to split a pack and not get outmarked. 3. Versatility to go in to the ruck. 

The moneyball parts of Brown’s game are accurate goal kicking - but I don’t think he can generate many shots on goal - and a supposed ability to go down back.

What you think and what the footy dept. think are 2 comletely things, and I for one will back the footy dept. over a poster who has no experience in this area.

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

53 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

His stats stack up OK with Brody Mihocek who is the KPF at a Premiership contender

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=12&pid1=3121&fid1=P&fopt1=2018&playerStatus2=A&tid2=5&pid2=6553&fid2=P&fopt2=2018&type=A

Mihocek 1.5 goals to Brown 1.3
1.5 contested marks to 0.5
1.8 marks inside 50 to 1.1
2 tackles compared to 1

In many of the most important stats Brown fall short. That's why he's depth. 

Maybe I should be more appreciative of fit, skilled and available depth. But he's ageing, he's soft and he's defensively ordinary.

There's no moneyball hidden value here. And unless he's the answer down back I can't see the Cam Pedersen unexpected role player like when Cam went in to the ruck with Gawn out.

[John Demonic 5,786]

I think you're both wrong. If all goes to plan, Brown AND Weid will be in the two's. #Wacko4Jacko

Edited December 4, 2019 by John Demonic

[old55 23,541]

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Mihocek 1.5 goals to Brown 1.3
1.5 contested marks to 0.5
1.8 marks inside 50 to 1.1
2 tackles compared to 1

In many of the most important stats Brown fall short. That's why he's depth. 

Maybe I should be more appreciative of fit, skilled and available depth. But he's ageing, he's soft and he's defensively ordinary.

There's no moneyball hidden value here. And unless he's the answer down back I can't see the Cam Pedersen unexpected role player like when Cam went in to the ruck with Gawn out.

I'll just remind you that you're comparing him with Collingwood's main KPF.

Two can play the selective stat game, Brown wins:

Tackles inside I50: 0.8 v 0.6 - I believe this was one of your nominated KPIs?

Contested possession: 5.0 v 4.9

1%: 2.9 v 1.8

Edited December 4, 2019 by Fifty-5

[demoniac 1,333]

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Trying to work out why I hate this signing so much and I think I've got it.

He's the key forward version of Lewis. He's old, so even if he came in and had one good year he'd be done within 2-3 years - so he's sucking up development time that keeps others in the 2's. He has ok endurance but otherwise no significant athleticism. He has good skills but how much will he use them? He doesn't like the contest - the majority of the marks on his highlights are chest marks. And defensively he's a liability.

Essendon got rid of him because they want to play aggressive front half football with defensive pressure under their new coaches. They also probably know that when you have a Mitch Brown you play a Mitch Brown and that gets you absolutely nowhere long term.

Drafting Pickett and Jackson is a clear sign we want to bring more athleticism and pressure to the forward line and in Jackson's case around the midfield as well.

Why are we adding a poor mans Jack Watts' who's one dimensional and averages 1 tackle per game?

He is very cheap depth.

 

 

[DeeSpencer 25,671]

9 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I'll just remind you that you're comparing him with Collingwood's main KPF.

Two can play the selective stat game, Brown wins:

Tackles inside I50: 0.8 v 0.6 - I believe this was one of your nominated KPIs?

Contested possession: 5.0 v 4.9

1%: 2.8 v 1.8

You linked to 2018, they aren't the numbers I have for 2019.

[old55 23,541]

15 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

You linked to 2018, they aren't the numbers I have for 2019.

You are correct however there's still SFA in it.