35 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

To be fair to @Axis of Bob, the AFL's coverage might well start today. I wouldn't put it past them.

It does in a sense, from 2pm today Twomey, Beveridge and Cleary will be doing a live stream panel discussion including interviews with draftee prospects and club officials.

Here's the line up if anyone is interested in watching.

Tuesday's line-up:

2.20pm - Sam Walsh (Carlton)
2.45pm - Hamish Ogilvie (Adelaide)
3.10pm - Adrian Caruso (Greater Western Sydney)
3.30pm - Cody Weightman
4pm - Kinnear Beatson (Sydney)
4.15pm - Caleb Serong and Sam Flanders
4.30pm - Stuart Dew (Gold Coast)

 

Edited November 26, 20195 yr by Nascent

Surely being from WA, if he was any good, we would've had stories of drug addictions, criminal history, poor work ethic, and general bad mouthing?

Sumich pumping up his tyres is a bit of a worry.

I'm all for it though, could be a good find.

33 minutes ago, FireInTheBelly said:

Surely being from WA, if he was any good, we would've had stories of drug addictions, criminal history, poor work ethic, and general bad mouthing?

Nah he's coming to us not from us. Mind you Steven Armstrong got dumped by us and went to Eagles and played in the Premiership winning team in his first year there. There's a few others better left unsaid. 

Edited November 26, 20195 yr by It's Time

48 minutes ago, It's Time said:

Nah he's coming to us not from us. Mind you Steven Armstrong got dumped by us and went to Eagles and played in the Premiership winning team in his first year there. There's a few others better left unsaid. 

I was coming more from a Jack Darling point of view.

Just an interesting comparison for those who are expecting him to be like Grundy.
In these highlights, Grundy shows very little follow up work or second efforts.
A better kicking action overall, but a few hacks at it when in congestion.
Regardless of what conclusion you come to from this footage, I think it's a relevant comparison.

 

So Max plays 90% in the ruck ( give or take..) and should and culd play another 6 years..  and we got Pruess as a back up, Jackson wont have a serious impact for minimum 2 years, he is not a natural forward at all. So why are we going to take him at pick 3?  You can never have enough good mids or skillful players.

Im not convinced on this bloke at all, im trying, im happy to take Pickett at 10, absolutely a player we need..

Is Jackson a left or right footer?

Just watching his clips again, he's kicking with both.  Some of the 'floaters' that people have been talking about are from his left, but he seems to be very adept using both sides of his body which is quite rare nowadays.

 

My mate, who goes for Fremantle, has been keeping a close eye on Jackson, this is what he had to say: 

“If Melbourne pick up Luke Jackson at pick 3 it will be an absolute prize... he is Josh Kennedy esk in the air and Nic Nat on the ground and probably Patty Ryder in the ruck... if you haven’t watched his highlights tape, you should... he is full of talent and will dominate the comp for the next decade”

A bit over the top or does anyone share his views? Obviously I hope he’s spot on. 

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

My mate, who goes for Fremantle, has been keeping a close eye on Jackson, this is what he had to say: 

“If Melbourne pick up Luke Jackson at pick 3 it will be an absolute prize... he is Josh Kennedy esk in the air and Nic Nat on the ground and probably Patty Ryder in the ruck... if you haven’t watched his highlights tape, you should... he is full of talent and will dominate the comp for the next decade”

A bit over the top or does anyone share his views? Obviously I hope he’s spot on. 

Way too overwhelming. 

Hugo ralphsmith for mine 

4 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

My mate, who goes for Fremantle, has been keeping a close eye on Jackson, this is what he had to say: 

“If Melbourne pick up Luke Jackson at pick 3 it will be an absolute prize... he is Josh Kennedy esk in the air and Nic Nat on the ground and probably Patty Ryder in the ruck... if you haven’t watched his highlights tape, you should... he is full of talent and will dominate the comp for the next decade”

A bit over the top or does anyone share his views? Obviously I hope he’s spot on. 

Nic Nat on the ground - hopefully, follows up with excellent movement and burst from packs, lays a mean tackle and kicking and marking need improvement
Ryder in the ruck - sure, sub 200cm ruck who has the leap and timing to easily compete with bigger men but isn't dominant at hit outs

Kennedy esk in the air? Not sure. He has size and he has mobility to be very dangerous on the lead like Kennedy but a ruck with limited forward experience is unlikely to match up to probably the best mark of the last decade.

Given the general consensus here is “it’s a tough one”, I’d be looking very deep into whether a kid Luke Jackson’s age is genuinely prepared and enthused to move to the other side of the country and stick it out for possibly many, many years. 
 

None of us here could stomach watching a prospective champion leave just as he’s about to fully bloom, and I can’t help but feel the odds of this happening in this case are reasonable at the least.

If it’s a particularly tough decision to make between Jackson and Young, I would hope Young being a Victorian is a massive consideration. I’m not particularly worried about Green though. Does anybody miss Canberra? 

Edited November 26, 20195 yr by Mel Bourne

The latest draft predictor from the Adelaide journo's has us taking Jackson at 3 and no bid on Green. Tactically GWS take Ash at 4 and Sydney make a bid for Green which GWS match  so Green goes at 5. Sydney then get pick 6(Flanders) Adelaide have 7 (McAsey) Freo 8 ( Robertson a W.A. boy) Freo have next pick 8 (Stephens) Carlton bid for Henry at 10 which Freo match. That means Freo get picks 8,9,& 10 wow. At 11 Carlton may go for Serong leaving MFC with pick 12 and in this mock draft Young is still there and so is Picket.

13 minutes ago, Older demon said:

The latest draft predictor from the Adelaide journo's has us taking Jackson at 3 and no bid on Green. Tactically GWS take Ash at 4 and Sydney make a bid for Green which GWS match  so Green goes at 5. Sydney then get pick 6(Flanders) Adelaide have 7 (McAsey) Freo 8 ( Robertson a W.A. boy) Freo have next pick 8 (Stephens) Carlton bid for Henry at 10 which Freo match. That means Freo get picks 8,9,& 10 wow. At 11 Carlton may go for Serong leaving MFC with pick 12 and in this mock draft Young is still there and so is Picket.

Some reporting today that Freo had cooled on Robertson and will take young with 7. Can't remember where I read it

1 hour ago, Good Lord George said:

Some reporting today that Freo had cooled on Robertson and will take young with 7. Can't remember where I read it

Saw something similar. they're considering Young and Stephens with their two picks. Blues expected to take Stephens if Freo go for Robertson. so if we bid on Green we're likely to be able to take our pick from Ash, Kemp, Weightman, Pickett, Robertson

2 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

My mate, who goes for Fremantle, has been keeping a close eye on Jackson, this is what he had to say: 

“If Melbourne pick up Luke Jackson at pick 3 it will be an absolute prize... he is Josh Kennedy esk in the air and Nic Nat on the ground and probably Patty Ryder in the ruck... if you haven’t watched his highlights tape, you should... he is full of talent and will dominate the comp for the next decade”

A bit over the top or does anyone share his views? Obviously I hope he’s spot on. 

I hope he takes a chest mark like JK and not JW

3 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Just an interesting comparison for those who are expecting him to be like Grundy.
In these highlights, Grundy shows very little follow up work or second efforts.
A better kicking action overall, but a few hacks at it when in congestion.
Regardless of what conclusion you come to from this footage, I think it's a relevant comparison.

 

This Grundy kid goes alright. Any chance he slips through to 28? 

4 hours ago, Mach5 said:

Just an interesting comparison for those who are expecting him to be like Grundy.
In these highlights, Grundy shows very little follow up work or second efforts.
A better kicking action overall, but a few hacks at it when in congestion.
Regardless of what conclusion you come to from this footage, I think it's a relevant comparison.

 

That’s a really interesting video, comparing with Jackson. It shows that they are actually quite different players, especially at that age. Grundy is mobile, but he’s mobile for a ruckman, whilst he mainly relies on his really big body and beating up on midgets. Jackson’s movement for a 200cm guy is just off the charts, even by comparison with one of the AFL’s most mobile rucks. 

On 11/25/2019 at 9:29 AM, Nelo said:

So everything I seem to read is that he’s undersized for a ruckman but as a forward isn’t a great mark or kick. Not sure we should use pick 3. 

So maybe's worth thinking of him as a mid. His stoppage work is what people are commenting on. His agility and size makes him a potential weapon at a stoppage. Don't get too caught up in the ruck label or the KPF label either. He can contribute in those two areas, but he's more likely to excel from stoppage.

7 hours ago, Axis of Bob said:

I am wrong. 

I read the AFL headline advertising the coverage from 2pm. Apparently that's 2pm tomorrow.

I don't know how I'm going to cope .... I'd been building to my emotional peak for this evening. I'm going to need a cold bath and some valium.

Me too. I came home early from a meeting to watch it. Popped the TV on and realised it's bloody tomorrow night! It's the AFL's Instagram page that confused me. They were banging on all day about the 2pm start. You're not alone, mate.

Sydney have said they probably won’t bid on green either 

Looking forward to seeing him play in 2024

28 minutes ago, A F said:

So maybe's worth thinking of him as a mid. His stoppage work is what people are commenting on. His agility and size makes him a potential weapon at a stoppage. Don't get too caught up in the ruck label or the KPF label either. He can contribute in those two areas, but he's more likely to excel from stoppage.

4D chess by Goody to recruit another inside mid is to simply label him a ruckman?

14 minutes ago, brendan said:

Sydney have said they probably won’t bid on green either 

The only thing I can think of here is that Sydney don’t want to encourage teams to make high bids on academy picks given they have a few coming next year. 

41 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

The only thing I can think of here is that Sydney don’t want to encourage teams to make high bids on academy picks given they have a few coming next year. 

I think it's more likely ducks and drakes. All the clubs should be doing it 24 hours out from the draft. They're not particularly clever if they're not.

35 minutes ago, A F said:

So maybe's worth thinking of him as a mid. His stoppage work is what people are commenting on. His agility and size makes him a potential weapon at a stoppage. Don't get too caught up in the ruck label or the KPF label either. He can contribute in those two areas, but he's more likely to excel from stoppage.

I think this is right. I expect that he'll play as a midfielder who can ruck rather than as a ruckman. He's likely an undersized ruck but an oversized mid and that could work quite well.