GWS Surplus

[AshleyH30 566]

Just now, Red and Blue realist said:

That's not why they want pick 3, they want it so they don't lose their first round picks (which they would if they got an early bid). They want a player at pick 3 and Green, otherwise they wouldn't bother trading.

Having a look, I miss read the articles regarding GWS on the AFL website.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

Yes:
Daniels - excellent small forward
Sproule - if he's very cheap he's a depth key forward option

Maybe:
Langdon - I like him as a pressure forward but injuries have been a concern 
Cumming - nice back flank prospect
Hately - he's solid but unspectacular, unsure of his best position, probably half back
O'Halloran - haven't seen any of him this year, thought he was a good but not great draft prospect, like him more than Hately because he's a more natural outside runner I think
Perryman - he's ok and versatile but lacks pace, skills haven't been as good at AFL level as the pre draft buzz

No:
Finlayson - think we have similar and better players in Melksham and Fritsch
Caldwell and Hill - Giants won't trade these guys, big parts of their future
Bonar - he's already what we have a surplus of - big body mids/forward without pace/fitness/skill
Briggs/Idun - young talls the Giants won't want to give up
Shipley/Buckley - fringe players
 

[Demon Forever 219]

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Yes:
Daniels - excellent small forward
Sproule - if he's very cheap he's a depth key forward option

Maybe:
Langdon - I like him as a pressure forward but injuries have been a concern 
Cumming - nice back flank prospect
Hately - he's solid but unspectacular, unsure of his best position, probably half back
O'Halloran - haven't seen any of him this year, thought he was a good but not great draft prospect, like him more than Hately because he's a more natural outside runner I think
Perryman - he's ok and versatile but lacks pace, skills haven't been as good at AFL level as the pre draft buzz

No:
Finlayson - think we have similar and better players in Melksham and Fritsch
Caldwell and Hill - Giants won't trade these guys, big parts of their future
Bonar - he's already what we have a surplus of - big body mids/forward without pace/fitness/skill
Briggs/Idun - young talls the Giants won't want to give up
Shipley/Buckley - fringe players
 

Not sure about the Finlayson part. Tough match up and hurts most teams. 

[TRIGON 4,783]

1 hour ago, AshleyH30 said:

I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I originally heard it, but it does sound plausible.

Sounds like a juicy deal from our perspective.

Edited September 3, 2019 by TRIGON

[Lord Travis 10,729]

Would jump at Finlayson. He had a good year, kicked 37 goals from 19 matches. He’d help fill our tall forward list gap nicely.

Would LOVE Caldwell, but they won’t let him go. IMO he’ll eventually become a gun mid, Dylan SHiel but a good kick. Has very similar attributes to Shiel, real good burst of pace, good ball winning ability, good running power, but has a much better kick on him. I’d give up a top 10 pick alone for him, let alone take him as steak knives!

Hately is ok, but more of a flanker.

Bonar is average IMO. Hasn’t come on yet and doesn’t address a direct need for us.

Ther others I wouldn’t think suit us.

[GCDee 3,199]

51 minutes ago, Win4theAges said:

If they would throw all that in then pick 3 is theirs.

If they get their hands on pick 3 it means that they will be able to take green with a second round selection as their first selection will be in before the bidders. 

They are essentially (indirectly) gaining an upgrade of their second round pick to another top 5 selection by doing the deal. So yes they will pay overs for pick 3.

[Diamond_Jim 12,578]

1 hour ago, AshleyH30 said:

I'm hearing that we may sign Tomlinson as a RFA. GWS will receive an end of first round pick as compo. GWS will then trade Picks 11, 13 and Compo pick to us for Pick 3. Can't remember where I originally heard it, but it does sound plausible.

Tomlinson is a free agent not an RFA but otherwise your post makes sense.

The compo pick formula isn't the simplest.

The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:

1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.

Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.

Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:

•  1st round
•  end of 1st round
•  2nd round
•  end of 2nd round
•  3rd round

In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.

https://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency

Edited September 3, 2019 by Diamond_Jim

[whatwhat say what 22,747]

i like the look of bonar primarily based on his underage assessment as a player with strength in the contest and genuine breakaway pace

hately and caldwell both look 'neat' footballers

as long as one (preferably two!) of them come our way with 13 and 15 in exchange for pick 3 i'm all for the deal being done

[GCDee 3,199]

2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Tomlinson is a free agent not an RFA but otherwise your post makes sense.

The rules on the compo pick are quite complicated but at best it would be pick 12 or thereabouts. My feeling is that Tomlison would not trigger the salary level requirment for such a pick so it could be 29/30

Yeah second round compo IMO likely a pick in the 30s.

[AshleyH30 566]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Tomlinson is a free agent not an RFA but otherwise your post makes sense.

The rules on the compo pick are quite complicated but at best it would be pick 12 or thereabouts. My feeling is that Tomlison would not trigger the salary level requirment for such a pick so it could be 29/30

The person that told me may have added a bit of an exaggeration for them receiving an end of first round pick. I heard end of first round, but you may be right. The way I see it, GWS would jump at it as they would also be relieving some Cap space.

[Diamond_Jim 12,578]

1 minute ago, GCDee said:

Yeah second round compo IMO likely a pick in the 30s.

I just edited my post as the formula is so discretionary.

[DeeSpencer 25,687]

39 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

Not sure about the Finlayson part. Tough match up and hurts most teams. 

 

27 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

Would jump at Finlayson. He had a good year, kicked 37 goals from 19 matches. He’d help fill our tall forward list gap nicely.

 

He's not a strong key forward though, he's tall but plays like a running mid sized player. Cameron and Himmelberg get the key defenders and more often than not he's released to play on a flanker or given space by an intercept player.

I think Fritsch and Melksham offer more in that 3rd tall role and if you start asking Finlayson to be something that doesn't suit his game he'd get found out.

 

[Demons11 7,009]

1 hour ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm on a Bonar.

????

[Mickey 4,684]

Pretty sure GWS live traded up last year to get Caldwell. They won't let him go.

Daniels would be great, but not sure what his contract situation is.

[Wrecker45 3,378]

1 hour ago, Demon Forever said:

Can I ask why? I’ve just watched his highlights package and I’m not sure what you are seeing that I am not. Not having a go. Just would be interested in seeing the highlights reel that shows him being good or worthy of packaging up with the deal

It’s hard to see sometimes.

[Mach5 4,767]

4 hours ago, grazman said:

Well, not biologically anyway.  There's only 4 months age difference between the two.  Ed's brother is of the Collingwood variety -Tom.

 

Yeah, I thought all 3 were. Clearly a little research shows the GWS variety is from WA, so I’m wrong. Cheers

[praha 11,240]

4 hours ago, GetJonnoPatton said:

Very little chance GWS would receive end of first round compo for Tomlinson. Be doing well to get end of second round for him.

that's not how compensation works. 

[Spirit of '87 333]

5 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

I'm on a Bonar.

Yeah Bonar first...then Cumming. 

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

9 minutes ago, Spirit of '87 said:

Yeah Bonar first...then Cumming. 

ha ha! D*ck jokes are great aren't they!!

[Demon Forever 219]

There is article out atm advising Langdon is meeting with a few clubs. MELBOURNE are adamant there is not a mutual understanding that the deal is done

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/05d5f3999bdd0c8fb69882704c019905

Edited September 3, 2019 by Demon Forever

[dazzledavey36 54,889]

2 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

There is article out atm advising Langdon is meeting with a few clubs. MELBOURNE are adamant there is not a mutual understanding that the deal is done

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/trades-unplugged-superfooty-trade-experts-look-at-where-the-big-names-will-be-playing-next-season/news-story/05d5f3999bdd0c8fb69882704c019905

Paywall. Can you inbox me the article mate.

[Demon Forever 219]

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Paywall. Can you inbox me the article mate.

It’s says you can’t receive messages

[Demon Forever 219]

ED LANGDON

In the process of meeting clubs. All signs point to Melbourne but the Demons are adamant no in-principle agreement has been reached..

Edited September 3, 2019 by Demon Forever

[dazzledavey36 54,889]

Interesting on Betts.... I wonder who his mate at the club is?

[Demon Disciple 12,122]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Interesting on Betts.... I wonder who his mate at the club is?

Garlett? Maybe got the message a little late that he had been de-listed.