Hayden Young (Drafted by Fremantle)

[Kent 2,880]

24 minutes ago, olisik said:

Devon Roberton and Caleb Serong are the 2 closest to inside mids in top 10, so you can get Goodwin is all over these 2. Got to win the contested ball with inside contested beasts.0

Yep that has worked out well

Keep Goodwin away from the selections

[Moonshadow 17,579]

33 minutes ago, olisik said:

Devon Roberton and Caleb Serong are the 2 closest to inside mids in top 10, so you can get Goodwin is all over these 2. Got to win the contested ball with inside contested beasts.0

You are a one trick pony 

[whatwhat say what 22,323]

surely we could get two of @olisik's bug bears in the one draft - an inside mid (roberton? serong?) with pick 3 and a tall defender (fish mcasey) at pick 8??

[Sorry kids 635]

1 hour ago, Salems Lot said:

The manner in which you frame most of your comments backs up my comment.  Hibberd was an AA player whose form appears to have tailed off putting him clearly outside the top 100 players in the league. Your comment would have the uninformed observer believe that he was never an elite player which he clearly was.  This is a fan forum and indeed you are entitled to say what you want and how you want within reason.  You just seem to be going out of your way to antagonise - if that floats your boat, good for you!

Was AA,. True and correct.  Quite the opposite to what you say. The headline makes it sound like we are replacing a star. Too easy to be called a star at the Dees after one or two good seasons. Does not happen at the power clubs.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

One thing that is extremely attractive about this guy's game is that he has genuine mongrel and is very combative from what I've seen.

You don't always get that blend of qualities with half-back, silky left-footed types.

Watching the bit of play in the lead up to his piercing switch kick which won Country the game, there's a hint of mongrel.

He tackles a player holding the ball and proceeds to rub his head into the ground in an extremely aggressive manner.

Nice half back flankers don't do that.

[Dante 2,705]

17 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Was AA,. True and correct.  Quite the opposite to what you say. The headline makes it sound like we are replacing a star. Too easy to be called a star at the Dees after one or two good seasons. Does not happen at the power clubs.

Are you serious? Any player selected by Collingwood is labelled a star, even if he's never played a game.

Players at Melbourne that have been selected AA and played 200 games are referred to as Melbourne Player.

[Demon Disciple 11,832]

6 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

One thing that is extremely attractive about this guy's game is that he has genuine mongrel and is very combative from what I've seen.

You don't always get that blend of qualities with half-back, silky left-footed types.

Watching the bit of play in the lead up to his piercing switch kick which won Country the game, there's a hint of mongrel.

He tackles a player holding the ball and proceeds to rub his head into the ground in an extremely aggressive manner.

Nice half back flankers don't do that.

Yep, loved that bit of mongrel and he doesn't take his eyes off the ball when backing into traffic with an overhead mark either.

[hardtack 10,434]

36 minutes ago, Sorry kids said:

Was AA,. True and correct.  Quite the opposite to what you say. The headline makes it sound like we are replacing a star. Too easy to be called a star at the Dees after one or two good seasons. Does not happen at the power clubs.

What headline says that? (maybe I missed something?)

Also, I would think that most clubs who have a player who made AA selection, would consider that player to be a star; so it makes sense that as he made AA as a Dee, we would consider him such. And let’s not forget he came to the club having been a star player at the Bummers. Putting injury interrupted seasons aside, Hibbo has really only had one down season, and that was this year; there’s no way I’d be writing him off just yet.

 

Edited October 21, 2019 by hardtack

[Sorry kids 635]

Buckenaras rating  Just his opinion but it is unbiased and based on premiership player standards

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May.

[Mach5 4,723]

Try as I might, I just can’t get excited about Young for pick 3.

I’ll accept him if we do, but I hope we look elsewhere if we keep the pick.

[Sydee 4,269]

3 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

Try as I might, I just can’t get excited about Young for pick 3.

I’ll accept him if we do, but I hope we look elsewhere if we keep the pick.

What is there not to like? I know 3 mins of highlights is a very small sample BUT

- can kick

- can mark

- not a whimp

- can tackle

Most on our list don't all 4 of those boxes

 

 

[demoniac 1,318]

1 minute ago, Sorry kids said:

Buckenaras rating  Just his opinion but it is unbiased and based on premiership player standards

B-: Nathan Jones, Christian Salem, Angus Brayshaw, Michael Hibberd, Kade Kolodjashnij, Jake Melksham, Bayley Fritsch, Steven May.

Rupert presumably pays Bucky to produce this errant nonsense. Here is my application for some of the right wing extremist's dollars:

Footy has passed Jones and Hibberd. D Grade?

A fit May will be an A Grader. 

Bailey Fritch is a B grader with potential to be an A grader.

Melksham is a B grader who can play some A Grade games.

Salem is a B Grader wh o can play some A Grade games.

Brayshaw had a D grade year. Needs to show a return to 2018 form in 2020.

Kolo should retire. B/A grade talent but gets concussed too often.

[Mach5 4,723]

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

What is there not to like? I know 3 mins of highlights is a very small sample BUT

- can kick

- can mark

- not a whimp

- can tackle

Most on our list don't all 4 of those boxes

 

 

 

Pretty much all of his highlights come against little to no resistance. It’s not his fault, but it makes him look better than he is.

Also, a lot of his “exceptional” kicks will get picked off at the higher level. That’s not to say he’s not a good kick, but again, makes him look like he’ll have more impact than he really will.

A solid AFL back flanker. 

I’d like more for pick 3.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Mach5

[Watts the matter 1,235]

26 minutes ago, Mach5 said:

 

Pretty much all of his highlights come against little to no resistance. It’s not his fault, but it makes him look better than he is.

Also, a lot of his “exceptional” kicks will get picked off at he higher level. That’s not to say he’s not a good kick, but again, makes him look like he’ll have more impact than he really will.

A solid AFL back flanker. 

I’d like more for pick 3.

This is my concern also, I would like to see/hear how he went when playing as a midfielder. In the Vic Country vs WA game his kicking was a bit iffy once a bit more pressure was applied and while he is solid in the contest, he didn't really stand out with that aspect.

 

[BAMF 4,189]

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Watching the bit of play in the lead up to his piercing switch kick which won Country the game, there's a hint of mongrel.

They lost actually. Straight down the other end for a goal.

But you are not wrong. I downloaded the NAB League App and they have an excellent highlights section on most players which shows individual game involvements.

Young isn't afraid of a contested posession.

He positions himself well for the receive handball.

That freak kick inside wasn't a one off, he regularly looks to make long passes into space.

He consistently makes the right decision.Of course there are times where he stuffs it up, but they are few and far between.

He is the captain of the Stingrays.

I couldn't be more impressed by the highlights I watched. The other I went looking for was Weigtman and I was really not impressed at all.

[Dees247 140]

No one is saying to compare Young’s ability to Hibberd’s. They are comparing what position/role he could play in our team. No one is saying that Young is better or worse than Hibberd, just what “type” of player he is.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

59 minutes ago, BAMF said:

They lost actually. Straight down the other end for a goal.

But you are not wrong. I downloaded the NAB League App and they have an excellent highlights section on most players which shows individual game involvements.

Young isn't afraid of a contested posession.

He positions himself well for the receive handball.

That freak kick inside wasn't a one off, he regularly looks to make long passes into space.

He consistently makes the right decision.Of course there are times where he stuffs it up, but they are few and far between.

He is the captain of the Stingrays.

I couldn't be more impressed by the highlights I watched. The other I went looking for was Weigtman and I was really not impressed at all.

Didn't realise, thanks.

Good info also, I'll check that app.

[Dockett 32 1,238]

11 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Didn't realise, thanks.

Good info also, I'll check that app.

I'm hoping a Dyson Heppell type.

Be an ok pick for me.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

They lost actually. Straight down the other end for a goal.

But you are not wrong. I downloaded the NAB League App and they have an excellent highlights section on most players which shows individual game involvements.

Young isn't afraid of a contested posession.

He positions himself well for the receive handball.

That freak kick inside wasn't a one off, he regularly looks to make long passes into space.

He consistently makes the right decision.Of course there are times where he stuffs it up, but they are few and far between.

He is the captain of the Stingrays.

I couldn't be more impressed by the highlights I watched. The other I went looking for was Weigtman and I was really not impressed at all.

That is how i saw it after watching all highlights of both Young & Weightman (about 16 videos in total).

Get Young.....consider Pickett (or Taylor?) before Weightman.  Weightman will be solid, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have the cat like sixth sense crumbing & goal reflexes that Pickett has.  He is sleight of hand lightning quick...and not so much across the ground.  It's the full reflex package and instinct with both hand and foot.  It just happens naturally with deft touch and amazing skills.

Not sure about Taylor as i can't see any highlights other than the draft reports which are postive.

Anyone worrying about his height...Pickett came equal 9th with Weightman and Oscar Lewis in the running vertical jump in the draft combine and he's 7cm smaller.  Still a few centimeters to go also from now till 20ish.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

11 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

That is how i saw it after watching all highlights of both Young & Weightman (about 16 videos in total).

Get Young.....consider Pickett (or Taylor?) before Weightman.  Weightman will be solid, don't get me wrong, but he doesn't have the cat like sixth sense crumbing & goal reflexes that Pickett has.  He is sleight of hand lightning quick...and not so much across the ground.  It's the full reflex package and instinct with both hand and foot.  It just happens naturally with deft touch and amazing skills.

Not sure about Taylor as i can't see any highlights other than the draft reports which are postive.

Anyone worrying about his height...Pickett came equal 9th with Weightman and Oscar Lewis in the running vertical jump in the draft combine and he's 7cm smaller.  Still a few centimeters to go also from now till 20ish.

So then Weightman would get his hands to a ball 7cm higher than Pickett?

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

5 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

So then Weightman would get his hands to a ball 7cm higher than Pickett?

I am talking running jump Watts.  He matches Weightman with the leap factor.

A standing jump to get hands on the pill?  I don't know about 7cm but yes Weightman would appear to have him covered finishing equal 5th in the vertical jump.

[Watts the matter 1,235]

3 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

I am talking running jump Watts.  He matches Weightman with the leap factor.

A standing jump to get hands on the pill?  I don't know about 7cm but yes Weightman would appear to have him covered finishing equal 5th in the vertical jump.

My point was more that if he is 7cm shorter, he would need to jump 7cm higher to reach a ball at the same height.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

3 minutes ago, Watts the matter said:

My point was more that if he is 7cm shorter, he would need to jump 7cm higher to reach a ball at the same height.

Correct...and from a running jump it looks like he is able to.  Once he gets launched and he is on someone's shoulders or back though, a whole lot of other factors come in to play.

Eg; ability to recover after hitting the deck if ball spills or he marks etc.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[Demon Disciple 11,832]

On 10/20/2019 at 1:32 PM, Demon Disciple said:

What i liked most were his marks backing into traffic and not taking his eyes off it and his tackle at the 2.35 mark where he engaged in some argy bargy after laying the tackle (i like a bit of mongrel in players!

 

5 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

One thing that is extremely attractive about this guy's game is that he has genuine mongrel and is very combative from what I've seen.

You don't always get that blend of qualities with half-back, silky left-footed types.

Watching the bit of play in the lead up to his piercing switch kick which won Country the game, there's a hint of mongrel.

He tackles a player holding the ball and proceeds to rub his head into the ground in an extremely aggressive manner.

Nice half back flankers don't do that.

Seems we like seeing the same type of physicality in our players' @stevethemanjordan

[picket fence 16,818]

4 hours ago, Sydee said:

What is there not to like? I know 3 mins of highlights is a very small sample BUT

- can kick

- can mark

- not a whimp

- can tackle

Most on our list don't all 4 of those boxes

 

 

I'm not sure ANY of our List tick those boxes!!! Clarry is  but a different player again!