24 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

If the club are happy with Mahoney's work over a period of time then you trust him - along with guidance from the CEO and Board and input from the other leaders of the footy department - to make the changes as required.

An external review would probably only find the same problems that we can all see. Then it may or may not propose a solution of sacking Mahoney or Goodwin, both of which seem unlikely. So skip that step and get on with Mahoney and Goodwin getting in people they think will help.

How could the club be happy when we still haven't won a premiership? Did Richmond have an external one at the end of 2016 or was it just internal?

16 minutes ago, Kent said:

Mate these people were hand picked byGoodwin and Mahoney

We have trusted them and they have failed in all ways possible.

I am not sure the best assistants and staff in the world would be able to help Goodwin.He is too stubborn and obviously out of his depth

 

He is dead man walking in my view.Too difficult to come back from where he has put himself and the club.

Put him and the supporters out of their collective misery. Nothing can really change between now and midseason 2020.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I challenge your assertion that Goodwin is stubborn and out of his depth. Unless you are in the club you have no idea what he is like. 

10 minutes ago, chookrat said:

I challenge your assertion that Goodwin is stubborn and out of his depth. Unless you are in the club you have no idea what he is like. 

Correct

14 minutes ago, chookrat said:

I challenge your assertion that Goodwin is stubborn and out of his depth. Unless you are in the club you have no idea what he is like. 

Looks like a stunned mullet in the box but you are right dont know him at all. Can I be allowed to judge him on his performance?

Challenge all you like. You must know him very well if you know for sure he isn't stubborn.

 

4 minutes ago, Kent said:

Looks like a stunned mullet in the box but you are right dont know him at all. Can I be allowed to judge him on his performance?

Challenge all you like. You must know him very well if you know for sure he isn't stubborn.

 

If you were a fish you would be carp

21 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

How could the club be happy when we still haven't won a premiership? Did Richmond have an external one at the end of 2016 or was it just internal?

5 years of sustained improvement and a good finals showing? I don't know who Richmond got to review their footy department, I think it was Gale the CEO and the President deciding to bring Balme in and a number of assistant coach changes. But there were obviously a fair number of people - Hardwick, the fitness staff, some of the coaching group - who stayed as well.

39 minutes ago, Kent said:

Mate these people were hand picked byGoodwin and Mahoney

We have trusted them and they have failed in all ways possible.

I am not sure the best assistants and staff in the world would be able to help Goodwin.He is too stubborn and obviously out of his depth

 

He is dead man walking in my view.Too difficult to come back from where he has put himself and the club.

Put him and the supporters out of their collective misery. Nothing can really change between now and midseason 2020.

 

If the things Mahoney and Goodwin were doing that led to 10 wins, 12 wins and then 14 wins and 2 finals last year  could suddenly change to this year why exactly can't they change again to more success?

 

27 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

If the things Mahoney and Goodwin were doing that led to 10 wins, 12 wins and then 14 wins and 2 finals last year  could suddenly change to this year why exactly can't they change again to more success?

 

Ill add in another factor...the lingering Roos effect. As we get further away from any influence  of Roos and now either it's worn off or been systematically disassembled  then the team plays more and more according  to the Goodwin doctrine. 

Before you might possibly  respond  with...but oh what about the tail end of last year...ill again speak of my analogy to a nitro infused engine. Hit the red button and you'll  take off like a rocket. ..but is inly meant for short bursts...otherwise  you cook the engine.

This is exactly  how we played for a while when we started winning. It was at a frenetic pace (nitro on ) . But as Macca/Goodwin race team knew nothing of tempo etc the team ran....until it couldn’t. ( dodnt turn nitro OFF) Not  only couldn't  run but in their buggered state were even more susceptible to injuries , hence the abnormally  larger number of surgeries etc required. 

Goodwin  burnt the list. Enter 2019 and further removed from any Roos influence together with some freshies then the total Goodwin/Macca game is in effect.

Went marvellously didn't  it.

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by beelzebub

1 hour ago, chookrat said:

I challenge your assertion that Goodwin is stubborn and out of his depth. Unless you are in the club you have no idea what he is like. 

I don't know him at all, but I was talking to someone last week who does. Regards him as a 'good mate' and has reasonable shared footy history.

Totally unprompted by me he volunteered that Goody's a 'control freak' who 'won't listen to anybody'.

There was more that suggests he won't seek or listen to a new mentor figure.

Could be why Jennings ideas weren't heard.

52 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

 

Totally unprompted by me he volunteered that Goody's a 'control freak' who 'won't listen to anybody'.

There was more that suggests he won't seek or listen to a new mentor figure.

Could be why Jennings ideas weren't heard.

Brilliant, just fantastic news!!!

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Do you take the official AFL website as gospel?

https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-12/one-of-the-best-minds-in-footy-jennings-to-leave-the-demons

Definitely not.

5 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

 

Or the MFC website? Is that gospel enough?

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2019-08-13/jennings-looks-for-new-opportunities

The MFC website isn't a news outlet (neither is the AFL website). It is a marketing opportunity and therefore only presents a story that satisfies the interests of the MFC. It is therefore not going to be critical of the MFC. Ergo, it can't be trusted. 

9 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Definitely not.

The MFC website isn't a news outlet (neither is the AFL website). It is a marketing opportunity and therefore only presents a story that satisfies the interests of the MFC. It is therefore not going to be critical of the MFC. Ergo, it can't be trusted. 

Ummm ok then, Jennings is obviously staying.

1 hour ago, General Malaise said:

I don't know him at all, but I was talking to someone last week who does. Regards him as a 'good mate' and has reasonable shared footy history.

Totally unprompted by me he volunteered that Goody's a 'control freak' who 'won't listen to anybody'.

There was more that suggests he won't seek or listen to a new mentor figure.

Could be why Jennings ideas weren't heard.

Sounds credible. I wish I had "good mates" who described me in that manner.

10 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

Plenty of posters on this site have been calling for Jennings to go at years end and when it surfaces that he is going,  all of a sudden it becomes a problem.

Another 6-8 FD need to go! In fact major cleanout of Coaches and players needed IMV

Roosy is right. 

We are further than ever away from Premiership Success IMV

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by picket fence

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Good! another 6-8 FD need to go!

how come you didn't use capital letters

2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

genuine question Saty - what's your take on our appalling performances. Where has it all gone wrong?

He's a fanboy.

Doesn't know the faintest. 

Yes clean out the coaches. They are all accountable 

6 hours ago, demonstone said:

So now we're taking Tom Browne's word as gospel with all his "suggested", "unclear", "questions", "sources", "understood" weasel words style of journalism?

I thought the consensus on Demonland was that Tom Browne was useless and unreliable, but those who can't wait to stick the boots in whenever possible are happy to take his latest effort as the truth.

Are you confusing your Tom's stone? Or, maybe I am. I thought the muck-raking, drop the Dee's in in at every opportunity one was toe-cheese Tom Morris. I'n not trying to lend credibility to the Browne Tom's 'suggestions' - just checking though.

The only assistant that survives is Greg Stafford in my eyes, Gawn has stayed at a Elite level.

For the rest of them, time is up, move on.

Hmm Jennings...known league wide as an A grade strategist. Was considered a coup getting him.

Joins a Goodwin/Macca box

Sits there..hardly any bro on bro action.   EVER !! 

We play as though we have NO strategy.

Strategist leaves.

Dot...dot dot.....dot dot dot !!!

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by beelzebub

9 hours ago, chook fowler said:

the son of Charlie?

No, he Russian, actually, changed his name from Chaliapin, famous Russian Bass voiced Opera singer. That's why he doesn't seem too animated in the box, he's got Boris Goodunov playing on his earphones. Don't believe me, hey? I have inside information. That's why he was sacked. Goodwin only likes Rossini

Edited August 13, 20195 yr by dieter

9 hours ago, Kent said:

Can he coach?

Cam He coach? Bruce, he can...

9 hours ago, pineapple dee said:

How about we get together a 'think tank ' of  thoughtful, intelligent and sensible demonlanders to replace the assistants leaving the dees.

That leaves me out, but who here could participate and  help lead the dees back to glory ???

 

Me. I'd have them playing Wagner and Beethoven on their ear phones while the coach talked his twaddle.

9 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

I suspect there'd be many here with very reactive, albeit acutely arthritic, knees ...

 

How the f did you know that? Both my knees are crippling me...

8 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Jennings gone

McCartney gone

Rawlings brought back

Plapp de-emphasised.

Chapman hopeless.

But Goody's the man.

Plapp went because he wore pointy toed shoes when he coached VFL. I know this for a fact. I've seen them with my own 4 eyes. They were totally incongruous in a sea of footy boots...