CHANGES: Rd 20 vs Richmond

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In May Melksham  Hore, that is all

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20 hours ago, Return to Glory said:

Toby Bedford for ANB

Oscar McDonald with a witches hat

That is very very harsh.. I would put a Melbourne Jumper on the Witches hat !! At least it might flap in the breeze!

[buck_nekkid 5,887]

Oscar Mac  Out, May in. Absolute no brainer.  Omac needs another ‘block’, first one did nothing.

melksham in, ANB out

Hore in, jwags out

would like to get a look at Jordon.

Preuss?  Undecided.  If we put him in,  he’s gotta mark the thing.  Would be a swap for smith.

About another 6 should be dropped, but no warm bodies to replace them.

 

[DeeSpencer 25,744]

In: Hore, Melksham, May (Keilty), JKH
Out: J Wagner, Lewis,  Oscar, C Wagner

FB:  Hore  May  Jetta
HB: Jones Frost  Lever
C: Harmes   Oliver  Baker
HF: ANB  Petty  Petracca
FF: Melksham T. Smith  Fritsch
Foll: Gawn  Salem  Viney
Int: Brayshaw  Hibberd  JKH  Hunt

May and Melksham if right, but no risks taken. Otherwise it's a matter of anyone but the Wagner's. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

Older brigade need some managing and give some who are terribly out of form and getting worse by the week a break to refresh and re-set.

Also an ideal time to give a few of the younger brigade at Casey a brief taste of what is required against the best to be the best.

Out:  Jones Boy (playing super tired ...mentally?  Managed), O-Mac, Baker, ANB, Lewis (managed), Gus (needs a break to refresh / refocus - Managed), Smith (would have gone for J-Wag but sadly no other replacement defenders at VFL level on our list that would improve things at this point.  Freeman if available for a one off look maybe)

In:  Stretch, Hore, Dunkley, Lockhart, Melk, JKH, Pruess (a long way from being a regular at AFL level but his 2^nd half ruck performance against Sandy earned him a place and can mark when on.  Something we severely lack at AFL level. 57 Hit outs, 27 disposals, 216 DT points and the highest ranked player against the Zebras.  Can clunk the odd mark inside 50 and kick a goal or two also.  No worse / better than Smith but a better ruck relief option by a country mile)

Footnote:  Freeman looks likely with another pre-season and some more time at Casey.  Munro is a super run with / impact player at VFL level who might make it yet to AFL somewhere.  Tagged Stevens out of the game somewhat and got 30 himself.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Rusty Nails

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If they can get through a match, in May, Melksham. More than anything, we need above-the-shoulder skills and experience.

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42 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Older brigade need some managing and give some who are terribly out of form and getting worse by the week a break to refresh and re-set.

Also an ideal time to give a few of the younger brigade at Casey a brief taste of what is required against the best to be the best.

Out:  Jones Boy (playing super tired ...mentally?  Managed), O-Mac, Baker, ANB, Lewis (managed), Gus (needs a break to refresh / refocus - Managed), Smith (would have gone for J-Wag but sadly no other replacement defenders at VFL level on our list that would improve things at this point.  Freeman if available for a one off look maybe)

In:  Stretch, Hore, Dunkley, Lockhart, Melk, JKH, Pruess (a long way from being a regular at AFL level but his 2^nd half ruck performance against Sandy earned him a place and can mark when on.  Something we severely lack at AFL level. 57 Hit outs, 27 disposals, 216 DT points and the highest ranked player against the Zebras.  Can clunk the odd mark inside 50 and kick a goal or two also.  No worse / better than Smith but a better ruck relief option by a country mile)

Footnote:  Freeman looks likely with another pre-season and some more time at Casey.  Munro is a super run with / impact player at VFL level who might make it yet to AFL somewhere.  Tagged Stevens out of the game somewhat and got 30 himself.

Preuss beating up on a barely key position sized opponent has no bearing on AFL footy. Completely irrelevant. We need all the mobility we can get against the Tigers and that means keeping with Smith. Smith needs the game time to see if he stays on the list too. 

Freeman's a Casey player so he's not playing AFL for us, he has some nice traits, wouldn't mind having a good look at him over summer. Munro is the dumbest footballer I've ever seen. He has AFL pace/endurance but is pretty much a midfield version of Frost when it comes to using the ball and is probably good for 5 free kicks against a game as well. He makes ANB and Corey Wagner look like smart footballers. No thanks.

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54 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Preuss beating up on a barely key position sized opponent has no bearing on AFL footy. Completely irrelevant. We need all the mobility we can get against the Tigers and that means keeping with Smith. Smith needs the game time to see if he stays on the list too. 

Freeman's a Casey player so he's not playing AFL for us, he has some nice traits, wouldn't mind having a good look at him over summer. Munro is the dumbest footballer I've ever seen. He has AFL pace/endurance but is pretty much a midfield version of Frost when it comes to using the ball and is probably good for 5 free kicks against a game as well. He makes ANB and Corey Wagner look like smart footballers. No thanks.

Smith is too slow to react to what's happening around him to impact consistently at AFL level IMO DS.  Has had many chances at this level and yet to really stamp himself on the game for more than a quarter or two.  Injury prone also.  Classic coach teaser that never quite stays on the park for more than a quarter/game or two.

Pruess didn't just ruck well he did ok when moved up forward also with a nice mark and goal and brought the ball to ground on a few occasions.  Handy chop out for Big M when resting.  I know you aren't a fan but like all big men and all rookies (12 AFL games...he's a babe in the woods for a big guy) he will take time and be in / out of the seniors to go back and reset / develop (slowly) & learn the nuances of the game before (IF) getting a recall.

Yes I realise Freeman's Casey DS which is why I said IF available meaning IF he was on our list it might be worth a one match entre' upstairs.  Hence the mention of  another pre-season and more time at Casey before considering if he's worth picking up.  Definitely showing some signs though.

Munro ....simply saying he might make it a time AFL level (you might have missed the 'Somewhere' part in my rambling).  Not for us as we have too many similar.  We need outside run, speed, class and finish.  Maybe the suns.  As you say, maybe he won't make it for good reasons.

 

Edited July 28, 2019 by Rusty Nails

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9 hours ago, Dee-licious said:

First - KK has shown he is a great player, not just a good player. Let him recover. 

Second - Melksham and Hore to come in after today. 

You can’t be serious!  KK a great player?  He’s a nobody.  A player who may have played B grade standard at best. 

[Socrates 45]

Kelly: Well Oddball, what do you think?

Oddball: It’s a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.

Big Joe: Hey look, you just keep them Tigers busy and we’ll take care of the rest.

Oddball: The only way I got to keep them Tigers busy is to LET THEM SHOOT HOLES IN ME!

Crapgame: Hey, Oddball, this is your hour of glory. And you’re chickening out!

Oddball: To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Tigers.

Kelly: Nobody’s asking you to be a hero.

Oddball: No? Then YOU sit up in that turret baby.

Kelly: No, because you’re gonna be up there, baby, and I’ll be right outside showing you which way to go.

Oddball: Yeah?

Kelly: Yeah.

Oddball: Crazy… I mean like, so many positive waves… maybe we can’t lose, you’re on!

[buck_nekkid 5,887]

Preuss is not the ‘magic bullet’.  He is a big lump of a lad, who is learning his craft under the best in the biz (Max).  He can dominate at Casey, but we need him to be elite.  He has shown at AFL level that he can be a tap ruckman, and in the first quarter he can kick a few goals.  His game has to go to a whole new level in terms of his around the ground or forward craft so he his not just a one trick pony.  We are carrying too many ‘passengers’ at the moment.  I think he might be one or two years away from what we want him to be.  I think he will be a bit player at AFL level (and dominate in the VFL against sub-standard opposition) until he really gets to work and steps into his potential.

We are really stretched forward, so he might get a gig.  We will need May and Frost on Lynch and Riewoldt, and their defence is built on intercept markers so we Preuss may offer a point of difference in sheer size alone.  We have limited marking options up forward, so it is either smith or Preuss.  Neither is going to win the game for us, and at best we could hope for a contribution.

 

[Pennant St Dee 13,242]

B.   Jetta May Hibberd

HB. Hore Frost Lever

C.  Stretch Viney Salem

HF.Melk Trac  Hunt

F. Fritsch Smith Lewis

R. Gawn, Harmes, Oliver

I/C Brayshaw, Jones, Baker, Lockhart

in. Hore, May, Melk, Lockhart,

Out. Omac, Wagner, Wagner, ANB

[ProperDee 1,698]

Petty out for Stretch too P StD?

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I'm thinking we've got to give O-mac at least 15 more pre-seasons to build his body before we can expect an AA defender.

Seriously, some of you just have no patience whatsoever.

Lower your expectations. 

If we win 3 games next year you guys should be grateful that we even won three!

Srsly.

You guys.

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15 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Preuss' game at VFL level was typical of his VFL performances this year... simply monstered a junior opposing ruck

That being said I agree may as well play him in front of Smith.

If we do play him I would like to see him used predominately as a stay at home forward running to a pre-determined pattern. Richmond will run off him but you never know we may be able to snag a few goals to keep them honest.

Preuss played a great game. The ruck domination was only one aspect. He was mobile, clunking a lot of footy all over the ground and kicking long balls into the forwards. 

He responded to goodwins criticism is the best possible fashion and deserves to be recalled. I just hope he can carry the form into the firsts. 

[chook fowler 19,459]

Hore is a must after his game at Casey. i rate him above Lever on present form. Lever has been terrible since his return - he looks half asleep and is turning the ball over a lot. He must have caught the OMac disease.

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27 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Hore is a must after his game at Casey. i rate him above Lever on present form. Lever has been terrible since his return - he looks half asleep and is turning the ball over a lot. He must have caught the OMac disease.

The biggest problem with Lever is that he thinks he is a much better player than he actually is.

It would do his ego some good to spend some time in the VFL learning how to kick and defend his opponent.

[beelzebub 23,380]

Make all the changes you like...line up the deckchairs in what ever fashion tickles your fancy...... The boat is still going to SINK !!

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

13 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

Oscar Mac  Out, May in. Absolute no brainer.  Omac needs another ‘block’, first one did nothing.

melksham in, ANB out

Hore in, jwags out

would like to get a look at Jordon.

Preuss?  Undecided.  If we put him in,  he’s gotta mark the thing.  Would be a swap for smith.

About another 6 should be dropped, but no warm bodies to replace them.

 

"The program was built around strength and agility and not running as players find in season with the volume of running they do it makes it hard to add and sustain weight and muscle."  Melbourne football manager Josh Mahoney said.

That part certainly worked Buck. Couldn't get within 3 meters of any opponent on Sat night.

Maybe this block will focus on sprinting.

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10 hours ago, Socrates said:

Kelly: Well Oddball, what do you think?

Oddball: It’s a wasted trip baby. Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no Tigers.

Big Joe: Hey look, you just keep them Tigers busy and we’ll take care of the rest.

Oddball: The only way I got to keep them Tigers busy is to LET THEM SHOOT HOLES IN ME!

Crapgame: Hey, Oddball, this is your hour of glory. And you’re chickening out!

Oddball: To a New Yorker like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Tigers.

Kelly: Nobody’s asking you to be a hero.

Oddball: No? Then YOU sit up in that turret baby.

Kelly: No, because you’re gonna be up there, baby, and I’ll be right outside showing you which way to go.

Oddball: Yeah?

Kelly: Yeah.

Oddball: Crazy… I mean like, so many positive waves… maybe we can’t lose, you’re on!

I need to watch that again tonight now. One of my favourites.

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8 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

"The program was built around strength and agility and not running as players find in season with the volume of running they do it makes it hard to add and sustain weight and muscle."  Melbourne football manager Josh Mahoney said.

That part certainly worked Buck. Couldn't get within 3 meters of any opponent on Sat night.

Maybe this block will focus on sprinting.

Everything about footy is about a 'balance'....  we just went too top heavy into crash bang bullyball.  Came up looking like idiots

Edited July 28, 2019 by beelzebub

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

Trac with a sore back might not get a crack at the Tiges. If there's even the slightest sense it could flair up then they should pull him for the season, backs can play up for a long time unless there's absolutely no issue then he should be rested.

I'd love to see Hore and May come in so we get to see how May, Lever, Jetta, Hibberd, Hore and Frost play together. It will release Salem as well, Jones and he can be the 6th/mid option down there. Jetta has been ordinary but I'd keep him purely just to get used to playing with the others. Hibberd might again tag Martin, so can go back when he goes forward.

The wagners both committed horrible turnovers (as a lot did), but they offered nothing else, sand we know enough about them now. Baker was also poor but should be given more time to find his feet at the top level.

My in: May, Hore, Melksham and Lockhart

Outs: Wagners x2; Trac and OMac. 

Not convinced with Preuss coming in for TSmith (even though smith was ordinary), I'd love to see Preuss play at least 50% at Casey forward to work on what he needs to do there, just a pity Weid got concussed because he should have come back in. 

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25 minutes ago, poita said:

The biggest problem with Lever is that he thinks he is a much better player than he actually is.

It would do his ego some good to spend some time in the VFL learning how to kick and defend his opponent.

Remind me again, how many games has Lever played this year?

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2 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Hore is a must after his game at Casey. i rate him above Lever on present form. Lever has been terrible since his return - he looks half asleep and is turning the ball over a lot. He must have caught the OMac disease.

Been out for a good chunk Chook.  We aren't exactly overflowing with alternatives!  It's all about 2020 now anyways (hopefully i'm not repeating myself at this stage or earlier next year)

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2 minutes ago, Rusty Nails said:

Been out for a good chunk Chook.  We aren't exactly overflowing with alternatives!  It's all about 2020 now anyways (hopefully i'm not repeating myself at this stage or earlier next year)

I'm not implying he needs to be dropped - i think Hore should come in for Wagner but some of his efforts looked half hearted and there some just plain lazy kicks. But i agree he needs time.