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23 hours ago, jane02 said:

There is a special place in hell reserved for these people.

 

Yeah, it's at the bottom of the latrines.

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5 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

Goodes isn’t involved in the final quarter; it was made without his involvement 

How anyone can say the abuse he suffered wasn’t significantly racially motivated beggars belief

How is McGuire still working in the Media after what he said twice??

it must stop...

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

How is McGuire still working in the Media after what he said twice??

it must stop...

Nothing sticks to rich white man. Just ask Donald Trump. 

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Just now, Jaded said:

Nothing sticks to rich white man. Just ask Donald Trump. 

I know, it’s getting worse

Morrison and Barnaby are in there too

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1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

I know, it’s getting worse

Morrison and Barnaby are in there too

Oh FFs 

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The irony is palpable. 

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Having just watched the Adam Goodes documentary I have to ask whether anyone here remembers our response to the bloke. I was personally appalled at the time and I remember when the controversy was at its height was around the QB game. I don't remember our 2014 game against the Swans but I don't think we booed Goodes at all. The documentary clearly shows Hawthorn, Collingwood, West Coast (of course), Richmond and Footscray supporters howling the bloke down, but the only footage of us features the players wearing red, yellow and black wristbands as a mark of solidarity with Goodes.

So for those who remember, did we behave well or did we make Eagles of ourselves?

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I spoke about this on my podcast Lace Out and said that by the end, people were just booing for the sake of it.  It was pretty embarrassing but Goodes also caused some of the backlash with his staging for free kicks (shown in the doco).

Have a listen to what we thought about the doco and one of us had to admit they were wrong: https://anchor.fm/lace-out/episodes/Episode-51-Adam-Goodes-The-Final-Quarter-Recap-e4llbg

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2 hours ago, inanunda said:

I spoke about this on my podcast Lace Out and said that by the end, people were just booing for the sake of it.  It was pretty embarrassing but Goodes also caused some of the backlash with his staging for free kicks (shown in the doco).

Have a listen to what we thought about the doco and one of us had to admit they were wrong: https://anchor.fm/lace-out/episodes/Episode-51-Adam-Goodes-The-Final-Quarter-Recap-e4llbg

I have never believed that people booed Goodes for staging. Rather, I have always believed that people claimed they booed Goodes for staging to avoid having to admit that the booing they participated in was racist. 

(You will note I have deliberately phrased the above to say that the individuals themselves may not have realised that what they did was racist.) 

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2 hours ago, inanunda said:

but Goodes also caused some of the backlash with his staging for free kicks (shown in the doco).

Sorry mate, but that's rubbish.

There's been countless worse stagers in the game but none of them were booed with the continuity or ferocity over the same length of time as Goodes. That's just a cop out excuse. There was literally a handful of 'incidents', maybe less, where Goodes 'staged', yet somehow it's weaseled it's way into the story of why he 'brought it upon himself'.

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5 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

Sorry mate, but that's rubbish.

There's been countless worse stagers in the game but none of them were booed with the continuity or ferocity over the same length of time as Goodes. That's just a cop out excuse. There was literally a handful of 'incidents', maybe less, where Goodes 'staged', yet somehow it's weaseled it's way into the story of why he 'brought it upon himself'.

Yep, the idea that Goodes was some kind of unique sinner is just contemptible.

Generally when people come up with an excuse so obviously contrived and inadquate, I take it as a simple confirmation they can't come up with any actual good reason.

How many times does it need to be said: Goodes was booed beyond anything experienced by any other player in the modern game, because racists put a LOT of effort into pushing an agenda which grossly misrepresented the things he said and did, and enough people were fooled by (or personally keen on) that agenda to create an avalanche.

People who were fooled, can now look to the scum who misled them, in media, in politics, and in forums, and say: 'what you did was wrong, you manipulated me into doing something that I now understand was wrong, I will not forgive you or trust you'.

As for the people who were genuinely keen on the racist agenda... well...

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Posted (edited)

Rita Panahi gave this long anti Goodes documentary Rant on Sky the other night. It came across my twitter feed. I will try and find it. 

People are really split down the middle on this one. I haven’t come across such a divisive subject in years

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/1152725599519031296

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1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Sorry mate, but that's rubbish.

There's been countless worse stagers in the game but none of them were booed with the continuity or ferocity over the same length of time as Goodes. That's just a cop out excuse. There was literally a handful of 'incidents', maybe less, where Goodes 'staged', yet somehow it's weaseled it's way into the story of why he 'brought it upon himself'.

Well said lord nev. The doco also pointed out goodes was 186th in the afl that year for frees awarded. Got a lousy 11 for the year. Selwood gets those in a few games. And doesn't get booed like goodes.

The staging thing is an urban myth smokescreen for racial apologists.

I actually feel sorry for Gil on this.

The blame lays squarely with the tens of thousands of morons at matches doing the booing and the players for being pissweak in their overt support failure for him.

 

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just watched, the first 3/4s is cringe worthy and embarrassing. sam and Eddie = white privilege. can we make some "I stand with Adam" banners for our game in a few weeks? 

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5 minutes ago, number 27 said:

just watched, the first 3/4s is cringe worthy and embarrassing. sam and Eddie = white privilege. can we make some "I stand with Adam" banners for our game in a few weeks? 

How is Eddie still allowed to work in any Media??

This Country is going down the tube..!

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Posted (edited)

I saw Alan Jones on Sunday in the Virgin lounge. All alone, sifting through the rubbish in his briefcase. He looked sad, bitter and delightfully moribund. Was tempted to provide him with some words to contemplate on his flight, but the withered existence he was barely living through seemed punishment enough. 

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As a general rule i am uncomfortable with perscribing motive to people, but it's really hard to see how it's not at least partly based in racism when they're yet to come up with an actual legitimate reason for the abuse he copped. 

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4 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

Sorry mate, but that's rubbish.

There's been countless worse stagers in the game but none of them were booed with the continuity or ferocity over the same length of time as Goodes. That's just a cop out excuse. There was literally a handful of 'incidents', maybe less, where Goodes 'staged', yet somehow it's weaseled it's way into the story of why he 'brought it upon himself'.

Earlier this year the booing of ablett for being a homophobic sniper was used by some as evidence that the booing of goodes wasn't racist.

Leaving aside the mind boggling ridiculousness of such an argument the booing stopped after only a few weeks. 

Some argued continuing to boo goodes became a statement protesting being told to stop. People came out and said don't boo a champion when ablett was being booed. Where was the free speech outrage. Why did people not continue to boo in protest. Why are they not still booing ablett?

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13 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

I saw Alan Jones on Sunday in the Virgin lounge. All alone, sifting through the rubbish in his briefcase. He looked sad, bitter and delightfully moribund. Was tempted to provide him with some words to contemplate on his flight, but the withered existence he was barely living through seemed punishment enough. 

Seems appropriately worded.

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5 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Seems appropriately worded.

Ya think?

How much do you know of his history?

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I never boo'd goodes. But i didnt like the way i thought he went about it. What he tried to do i like, the way he came across i didnt.

I saw his press conference the day after he pointed out the girl for the first time in the doco, while ignorance is no excuse i only knew it was racist because of the andrew symonds vs indian fans situation, she was a bit young to remember that. He handled that quite poorly, but the next day quite well and put supporting the girl above any other issue, never saw that at tge time and it wasnt discussed around the water cooler. The invasion day line was also different than i thought, there were many interviews and they seemed to proceed with a line of questioning that would draw that answer. The spear throwing, while it showed something different and intriguing, when he did it i thought the aggression at the opposition supporters was never about a underage teams cultural war dance, it was about adam goodes's anger.

Goodes never was an afl wide favourite. He was respected but not adored by opposition fans, and when the ugly parts of his game became more and more prominent, and then other issues come up people judge from previous impressions.

So, after all that, i dont believe the majority of the boo's were racist. I have more time for goodes now than i did before, not because im a little bit less racist, its because i saw new evidence, mob group think can alter information. These types of documentaries are quite one sided though and make everyone on the opposite side of the narrative look quite bad, and has done so to the fans. Eddys comments were just bad though, no excuses. Sam's i think are a bit like the above, seemed he made his comments on the mob think narrative, but being in media perhaps he should have had his finger on the  pulse.

 

One issue I'd like to raise is, people seemed to boo more when they were told it was racist and offensive. Like when i tell my child not to do something she will do it twice as much to prove she can, so, if what you are doing or saying has come from a non racist thought/feeling with no rascial intention, is it only decided by the individual that its racist if they get offended? Could someone order a coffer black and i get offended, and that person is now a racsist. 

I'll finish with this line this time. I dont like adam goodes, but i have more time for him than i used to. So am i racist?

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On 7/18/2019 at 8:28 PM, Salems Lot said:

don't forget Newman

Sorry SL, I had forgotten Newman, as well. So easily done. Once gone, easily forgotten. Note: ...absolutely no loss to the game and its commentary status. My only question now is: Why the hell did it take so long?

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Posted (edited)

I've noticed the shock jocks have mobilized an army of lurkers to jump onto their infrequently used accounts and parrot the opinions they've heard and read. You can see it over on reddits /r/afl page too, many posters without team flairs (new or very rarely used accounts) jumping in eagerly to explain why they or other people boo'd him with a shopping list of excuses, before disappearing again.

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Quite a few "Champions" of the game became a little suspect in on-ground behaviour late in their careers.... Think Plugger, Ablett snr and Lethal. I don't remember booing for them lasting beyond the specific game where they transgressed! There's the obvious division between Goodes the player and Goodes the eloquent spokesperson for his people. By the way, Plugger, Ablett and Lethal were never called upon to become spokesmen for their people... Goodes, throughout this period portrayed in the documentary, was by far the most considered, level-headed and eloquent voice on the issue that he chose to highlight. He made it painfully clear that he was a victim of racist behaviour from other Australians well before the booing hysteria developed. He stood head and shoulders above journalists, commentators and politicians in voicing, with great sensitivity and compassion, the issue of racism in our society. We can learn a lot from listening to and respecting that voice!

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