CHANGES: Rd 15 vs Brisbane

[Jaded No More 68,969]

I wonder if Hore would be a good forward. We are blessed with defensive options now. If we could swing one of them forward ala TMac (but in less terrible form) it would really help balance our list. 

[george_on_the_outer 7,616]

4 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I think we can definitely fit in Hore, May, Lever and Frost.

Frost is such a different hybrid of a defender. For someone who is 194cm, he has speed of a small running defender and can easily play on the small blokes like Walters. I'd give him first choice on Cameron next week.

Lever and Hore are brilliant intercept defenders. Something we haven't had since Jared Rivers. Once May and Lever are up and going Hore plays a floating defender In the same way as what Tom Stewart does down at Geelong. 

 

Definitely, and when we see the return of Neville and Hibberd, then Salem and Fritsch can be moved wingward, where we have been deficient all season. 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 hour ago, Skin Deeamond said:

I doubt Lever will be ready. Likewise Hibberd.

Wagner should be dropped. Preuss should be given a chance. 

All of TMac, Smith and Weid played well, and all of have them have a far better tank than Preuss, which is as important as ever against Brisbane. Barring injury, I can't see a scenario where Preuss comes in.

 

[Nasher 33,616]

In: Lever, Hibberd 

Out: Petty, Wagner

I’m not in favour of rushing anyone but I am in favour of selecting obvious best 22 players if they are fit. Selecting them doesn’t automatically imply they are being rushed in as some in this thread have indicated.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Hannan should be the first to get the chop. Came directly back into the seniors after a long layoff  and hasn’t gotten near it for two weeks. Needs to get hands on pigskin at Casey for a few weeks.

Would like to see whichever of Kolodjashnij, Dunkley or Jordon performs best for Casey replace him.

Petty and Wagner to go out pending the fitness of Hibberd and Lever.

[DubDee 25,982]

Having a plate reattached to the bone sounds full on. I ain’t a doctor or nothin but would surprised if Hibbo is back this week

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

Harris Andrew will dominate playing on either T.Mac or Weideman... I think we need to bring in Pruess to nullify his game. 

[Moonshadow 17,676]

43 minutes ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Harris Andrew will dominate playing on either T.Mac or Weideman... I think we need to bring in Pruess to nullify his game. 

The 'Preuss Press'?

[Redleg 41,016]

3 hours ago, Jaded said:

I wonder if Hore would be a good forward. We are blessed with defensive options now. If we could swing one of them forward ala TMac (but in less terrible form) it would really help balance our list. 

I think Petty could be the one as we have Lever and Oscar as other backs.

Actually thought Smith played a fair game and could have kicked 6, which would have impacted his future at the club quite dramatically.

The real problem is we need a Jeff Farmer or young Jeffy type. Hopefully Bedford becomes that, but I would be looking at that role and another key forward and maybe another ruckman at season's end.

[Redleg 41,016]

3 hours ago, Nasher said:

In: Lever, Hibberd 

Out: Petty, Wagner

I’m not in favour of rushing anyone but I am in favour of selecting obvious best 22 players if they are fit. Selecting them doesn’t automatically imply they are being rushed in as some in this thread have indicated.

You would leave ANB in after yesterday's game and his previous ones this year?

I am prepared to say that Corey Wagner, Lewis, Spargo, Stretch, JKH and even Dunkley off 3 games at Casey, are ahead of him in my eyes, but maybe not Goody's.

I would like to get as many games into Petty as possible, as he will be a player for us and now is the time to play him where he will learn from the likes of May.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Redleg

[Happeninghunts 7]

Out : Hannan Wagner

In : Lever Hibberd

 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

2 hours ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Harris Andrew will dominate playing on either T.Mac or Weideman... I think we need to bring in Pruess to nullify his game. 

Disagree mate. Preuss would do well for a quarter, but Andrews has a good tank and would end up leaving big Preuss in his dust for the rest of the game. Would be a bad move IMO. We also have Smith too remember.

 

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

Weideman won’t be dropped but he was poor yesterday. Touched the prune 6 times, kicked a late goal. Rarely involved at any stage.

He should be in this conversation but we just accept that sort of output as par for the course from him. 

Blokes should have to earn spots, from youngest to oldest on the list. Bringing in another key forward for 2020 will ensure that Weid is kept honest and earns games on merit. 

We were very fortunate Hogan was MIA for much of yesterday as result would likely have been different. Not something some will want to hear but there it is.

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,778]

47 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Weideman won’t be dropped but he was poor yesterday. Touched the prune 6 times, kicked a late goal. Rarely involved at any stage.

Sadly he touched the prune about 20 times - only managing to mark it 4 times, otherwise just flat-handing it down to ground

[Caligula's cohort 1,014]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

Disagree mate. Preuss would do well for a quarter, but Andrews has a good tank and would end up leaving big Preuss in his dust for the rest of the game. Would be a bad move IMO. We also have Smith too remember.

 

Preuss did well against Aliir Aliir by staying in the goal square and reducing his intercepting prowess further up the ground. He kicked 2 snags which is better than Weideman's output at this stage, regardless if he can't run out 4 quarters. 

[Bombay Airconditioning 6,400]

How much longer until Melksham is back?

[Lord Nev 13,512]

18 minutes ago, Caligula's cohort said:

Preuss did well against Aliir Aliir by staying in the goal square and reducing his intercepting prowess further up the ground. He kicked 2 snags which is better than Weideman's output at this stage, regardless if he can't run out 4 quarters. 

Sure, did great in the first half, disappeared in the second.

I like him, and think he'll be a weapon after another preseason or two, but he would disrupt the balance we saw on Saturday and his lack of fitness would cost us, particularly given it's so incompatible with how we're playing style wise and the speed and run of Brisbane. Sydney are a slower side so we got away with it for a half.

 

[titan_uranus 25,020]

If Lever and Hibberd are fit, they come in. Petty and Wagner are the ones to make way.

But if there is any doubt on either of them, we shouldn't be risking it.

ANB and Hannan struggled yesterday. Hannan has more upside and there's no obviously better player ready to come back until Melksham is fit, so they probably both stay.

No idea why anyone would suggest bringing Preuss in when we've just seen TMac and T Smith kick 3 goals each, given Weideman is the most mobile of the three (i.e. the least like-for-like replacement for Preuss). 

[DeeSpencer 25,777]

2 hours ago, Matsuo Basho said:

Weideman won’t be dropped but he was poor yesterday. Touched the prune 6 times, kicked a late goal. Rarely involved at any stage.

He should be in this conversation but we just accept that sort of output as par for the course from him. 

Blokes should have to earn spots, from youngest to oldest on the list. Bringing in another key forward for 2020 will ensure that Weid is kept honest and earns games on merit. 

We were very fortunate Hogan was MIA for much of yesterday as result would likely have been different. Not something some will want to hear but there it is.

Except for that fact Hogan is a hugely inefficient footballer who struggles at the MCG. Just as likely he would've dragged May to plenty of contests. Petty would've had a match up on Cox. And Freo would've had one less quick pressure player in the forward line. Those were the guys that hurt us all game. The vast majority of their goals came from our botched turnovers under pressure or creating free kicks with quick movement. 

We would've lost yesterday if Freo had their full complement of running players, so Hogan was a factor there, but there's plenty of evidence to doubt that he was going to have a big game taking marks or kicking goals on May. A typical Hogan game with a few nice marks up the ground but a lot of poor contests inside 50 and bad kicking was most likely.

Weideman wasn't poor. He did his job. Created a goal going back with the flight. Kept away from McDonald and Smith. He has to get better but unless we land a big name key forward dropping him after a game like yesterday would be coaching stupidity. Shuffling him out for a player of similar talent on the basis of earning games would stunt his development. He more than earnt his game yesterday if you watched him play rather than the stat sheet.

[Damo 3,368]

I think Hannan gets a more than fair go from DL'ers. He hasnt done anything this year except show me his quickstep which is no good if you dont get the ball or cant outrun an opponent without falling to ground. And Id like to see some upside from Petty, but I cant see it. I keep hearing it is there though. Having said that, other than a good kick, Wiedermann gets a pass on here from little. Im a fan of Tim Smith. His efforts yesterday were very good. He seems to have got rid of his kicking yips.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Damo

[drysdale demon 4,837]

8 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

He more than earnt his game yesterday if you watched him play rather than the stat sheet.

I can sense a hyperbolic post heading your way from a certain poster

[Demonstone 22,683]

7 minutes ago, Damo said:

Wiedermann

It takes a special talent to misspell an eight letter surname three times in one go.  It's Weideman.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

24 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Except for that fact Hogan is a hugely inefficient footballer who struggles at the MCG. Just as likely he would've dragged May to plenty of contests. Petty would've had a match up on Cox. And Freo would've had one less quick pressure player in the forward line. Those were the guys that hurt us all game. The vast majority of their goals came from our botched turnovers under pressure or creating free kicks with quick movement. 

We would've lost yesterday if Freo had their full complement of running players, so Hogan was a factor there, but there's plenty of evidence to doubt that he was going to have a big game taking marks or kicking goals on May. A typical Hogan game with a few nice marks up the ground but a lot of poor contests inside 50 and bad kicking was most likely.

Weideman wasn't poor. He did his job. Created a goal going back with the flight. Kept away from McDonald and Smith. He has to get better but unless we land a big name key forward dropping him after a game like yesterday would be coaching stupidity. Shuffling him out for a player of similar talent on the basis of earning games would stunt his development. He more than earnt his game yesterday if you watched him play rather than the stat sheet.

I watched. Had to check the stat sheet towards the end though to re-confirm he was actually out there.

Might help his 'development' more to actually dominate competitive games of footy at Casey, take marks and kick repeatedly for goal. Week after week after week. That would build confidence far more than spending 95 minutes out of 100 simply filling out a guernsey and being disdainfully pushed out of the way by seasoned AFL defenders, which is what's happening now. Just a thought.

Weideman is not earning his spot in this side. That's not healthy.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Matsuo Basho

[DeeSpencer 25,777]

21 minutes ago, Matsuo Basho said:

I watched. Had to check the stat sheet towards the end though to re-confirm he was actually out there.

Might help his 'development' more to actually dominate competitive games of footy at Casey, take marks and kick repeatedly for goal. Week after week after week. That would build confidence far more than spending 95 minutes out of 100 simply filling out a guernsey and being disdainfully pushed out of the way by seasoned AFL defenders, which is what's happening now. Just a thought.

Weideman is not earning his spot in this side. That's not healthy.

Weid's played 2 VFL games this year
v Footscray: 2.3, 7 marks (5 contested), 21 touches
v Willy: 3.1, 6 marks (3 contested), 14 touches

He had 25 goals in 10 games, being in the best 5 times last year in the VFL with a strong finish to the year. I wouldn't go as far as saying he's dominated but he's been very good at VFL level when he's sent back there and if his form drops off I'm happy for him to go back to the VFL again.

But since he's came back in to the side he's had:
Crows - very good game aside from missing the chance to win it
Pies - decent game where he did some good things after Moore beat him early. 5 marks, kicked 2 goals. Solid
And yesterday's game.

It was a lot of running around for very little of the ball but sometimes that's the reality of a 2nd or 3rd key forward. He didn't get a chance to go in to the ruck which is often when he finds the ball - they used Tommy Mc in that role to get him in to the play (and out of the forward line where he stuffed up for 3/4's). The play often went through Tommy (28 disposals), Petracca (22 disposals) and Tim Smith who was running with Luke Ryan. Similarly Hunt and Hannan were often at full forward as we like mobility to get out the back in that role. The Weid was the odd man out in terms of getting the play but I can handle him in that role as long as it isn't every week. He took a couple of nice grabs, kicked a good goal, created another important one with 2 efforts and halved enough contests.

[Matsuo Basho 1,053]

13 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

 

But since he's came back in to the side he's had: Crows - very good game aside from missing the chance to win it
Pies - decent game where he did some good things after Moore beat him early. 5 marks, kicked 2 goals. Solid
And yesterday's game.

 

I can't agree with any of that. Was ordinary against the Crows quite aside from the missed winner, did nothing against the Filth save for a a couple of moments of involvement late, was a non-event for most of yesterday.

A couple of nice marks and some decoy forward running in 300 minutes of footy. Sorry but my bar is set a little higher than that.

We all see things differently.