POST GAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

5 hours ago, Deehumanizing said:

Hogan was pushed out, I believe he would have stayed. It made lesser forwards (Tmac and Weid) play out of position.  As second and third talls they could win their positions. All the others were reasonable decisions, the bad call problem was the replacements. None have made us a better team yet. Some may work out in the future.

Hogan was gone either last year or this year.

Tmac was our number 1 forward in 2017 while Hogan was sidelined for most of the year. He is capable of being the number one forward he is just woefully out of form/injured at the moment.

[Sydee 4,379]

43 minutes ago, sisso said:

We’re not seriously paying May $800k are we?

I would hazard a guess that we seriously are - not looking like a great investment at this early stage, is it!

There are some serious questions being asked with good reason 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

4 hours ago, pinkshark said:

Same as me.  Completely f'ed up.  My 6 year old last night asked if he could barrack for Geelong. 9 year old daughter jumped ship two years ago against my will with the words 'they're just no good dad' (chose West Coast).  Another ten year old son is sticking fat but he is severely traumatised.

My daughters point was spot on. 

We are a [censored] football club.   Won 1 Lost 5.  Bottom of the ladder.  Melbourne Football Club.

 

 

 

Bareacking for other teams is simply not an option where I come from. Your footy team is inherited, not something you can pick and choose when it feels convenient

[sisso 2,577]

10 minutes ago, Sydee said:

I would hazard a guess that we seriously are - not looking like a great investment at this early stage, is it!

There are some serious questions being asked with good reason 

That’s 1.5m a year for 2 key defenders, they’d want to get out on the park pretty soon....

 

We need to target a smart medium forward as well as midfield pace in the off season 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

2 hours ago, Elegt said:

The only way up is to recruit players with pace. We are getting outrun every week. Sack mission and sack taylor

Pace AND kicking skills

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

I have to say the softest performance last night was the Melbourne supporters who didn't turn up. 72k and a predominantly Richmond crowd. There should have been at least 10k more Melbourne supporters there. The crowd has an impact on players and umpires and we let the team down when we don't show up to provide the support.

We want these marquee games we have to turn up to them regardless of our form. Coll/Ess supporters always turn up to Anzac Day regardless where they are on the ladder.

[sisso 2,577]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I have to say the softest performance last night was the Melbourne supporters who didn't turn up. 72k and a predominantly Richmond crowd. There should have been at least 10k more Melbourne supporters there. The crowd has an impact on players and umpires and we let the team down when we don't show up to provide the support.

We want these marquee games we have to turn up to them regardless of our form. Coll/Ess supporters always turn up to Anzac Day regardless where they are on the ladder.

We’ve always had fair weather supporters....when we were garbage between 2009-2013 some of the games I went to we were outnumbered by Adelaide or Sydney supporters at the G....there’s probably only 10-12K hardcore supporters who turn up no matter what each week...

[Cam Schwab's Whiteboard 209]

1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

hope Goodwin and his coaching panel have a read... gutsy by Lewis

This surely is the buy-in that was the buzz a couple of weeks ago.
I think @beelzebub was the first to suggest that maybe the players just don't rate the gameplan, and are therefore failing to carry it out as expected. Clearly Lewis doesn't like it.

My take on it all is: Goodwin implemented his plan, unsuccessfully, and was then forced to make the changes that saw the team turn it around late last year. However, over summer the coaching staff have reverted back to the original and the players, having experienced too many of the same losses, are just not liking it. That would go someway to explaining Roos suggesting they aren't playing the way Goodwin wants, and also the constant bombing it forward blindly.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

I think eberyone is getting over excited... we just have some major structural issues.due to injuries, our structures are not in place. Once some players come back, things will improve.

Seriously we cannot continue to just bomb the ball forward.

Especially when the players we are kicking to are midgets like Hunt and Garlett as happened on several occasions last night

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

Tom Browne article on May sums up our current status!

For a so called leader to turn up so underdone which has resulted in his current injury is  a disgrace  & if true should be docked of his match payments!

Basically traded a gun forward not without his own issues for another lazy  Defender!

One questions were was the monitoring  from our fitness people to ensure he met KPIs upon his return??

 

Link?

[Elegt 872]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I have to say the softest performance last night was the Melbourne supporters who didn't turn up. 72k and a predominantly Richmond crowd. There should have been at least 10k more Melbourne supporters there. The crowd has an impact on players and umpires and we let the team down when we don't show up to provide the support.

We want these marquee games we have to turn up to them regardless of our form. Coll/Ess supporters always turn up to Anzac Day regardless where they are on the ladder.

Why should people waste their hard earned money to watch the rubbish Melbourne dished up last night 

[DeezNuts 624]

1 hour ago, Ugottobekidding said:

I think eberyone is getting over excited... we just have some major structural issues.due to injuries, our structures are not in place. Once some players come back, things will improve.

Seriously we cannot continue to just bomb the ball forward.

Agree!!! 100% 

the only times we looked dangerous was when we steadied up an went lateral. Squeezing down the boundary only played into Vlaustuins hands, although the tigers were good at putting pressure on that last kick into 50, making for a pretty predictable intercept. 

For mine, Viney’s bull in a china shop approach would be better if he learned how to change direction. In many ways, Trac is better than Viney at creating his own space for a deliberate but lateral move. This cost us a lot this week..

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

23 minutes ago, sisso said:

We’ve always had fair weather supporters....when we were garbage between 2009-2013 some of the games I went to we were outnumbered by Adelaide or Sydney supporters at the G....there’s probably only 10-12K hardcore supporters who turn up no matter what each week...

Those who don't turn up are probably the same ones who continually complain about the club having a soft underbelly the minute things get a bit hard.

[Skuit 10,030]

6 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Gas-lighting?

Gaslighting is a psychological act to undermine another's belief in their own memory, perception, etc. 

I have no idea how it relates to your post. You have to keep in mind I drown my sorrows in a different time-zone to most.

I think my point was that all of your reasonable qualifying statements were in parentheses.

As if mumbled under your breath - so as to be truthful but still appeal to the baying masses.

Best to just ignore.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,166]

5 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Why should people waste their hard earned money to watch the rubbish Melbourne dished up last night 

Fine. Then don't complain that we never get marquee games, have no money etc

I wouldn't call last night "rubbish". We tailed off and were overrun but definitely played with intent and were in the game for 3 quarters.

You either support the club or you don't. Essendon and Collingwood supporters turn up every Anzac Day regardless of form, why do they turn up to watch the rubbish they dish up on those occasions? Because they support the club. Melbourne supporters? Soft.

[Elegt 872]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fine. Then don't complain that we never get marquee games, have no money etc

I wouldn't call last night "rubbish". We tailed off and were overrun but definitely played with intent and were in the game for 3 quarters.

You either support the club or you don't. Essendon and Collingwood supporters turn up every Anzac Day regardless of form, why do they turn up to watch the rubbish they dish up on those occasions? Because they support the club. Melbourne supporters? Soft.

Mate if you accept last night's mediocrity you're part of the problem. 2 tackles I50 for the whole game and continual bombing forward to the opoosition. Bag your fellow supporters all you want but some people prefer to spend their hard earned money and time on more valuable things. They are full time professional footballers playing like amateurs

[doc roet 1,287]

11 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fine. Then don't complain that we never get marquee games, have no money etc

I wouldn't call last night "rubbish". We tailed off and were overrun but definitely played with intent and were in the game for 3 quarters.

You either support the club or you don't. Essendon and Collingwood supporters turn up every Anzac Day regardless of form, why do they turn up to watch the rubbish they dish up on those occasions? Because they support the club. Melbourne supporters? Soft.

I wouldn't mind watching Melbourne play the rubbish game the pies or essendon are playing at the moment.

It would be a 110%improvement on our style. 

[scarlett 247]

40 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I have to say the softest performance last night was the Melbourne supporters who didn't turn up. 72k and a predominantly Richmond crowd. There should have been at least 10k more Melbourne supporters there. The crowd has an impact on players and umpires and we let the team down when we don't show up to provide the support.

We want these marquee games we have to turn up to them regardless of our form. Coll/Ess supporters always turn up to Anzac Day regardless where they are on the ladder.

 

9 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Fine. Then don't complain that we never get marquee games, have no money etc

I wouldn't call last night "rubbish". We tailed off and were overrun but definitely played with intent and were in the game for 3 quarters.

You either support the club or you don't. Essendon and Collingwood supporters turn up every Anzac Day regardless of form, why do they turn up to watch the rubbish they dish up on those occasions? Because they support the club. Melbourne supporters? Soft.

What a load of crap. When collingwood were down and it was essendons home game, essendon supporters outnumber the majority and vice versa.

It was richmonds home game and only limited ga seats. If members wanted to reserve a nose bleed seat it cost more, why pay more when the clubs shown what they have?

Queens birthday we turned up to watch us get pumped for years.

Every club get better attendance when going well.

Soft supporters? Your kidding. With what we put up with, everyones entilted to an opinion, yours is [censored], but you're entilted to it.

[Adam The God 30,123]

11 hours ago, Wells 11 said:

Thought the boys tried hard  tbh... agree with a poster further back that said we did well for a bottom 4 team trying to make a statement. Hard to accept but that really IS the truth of where we’re at.   We’re not a good team out of form. 

The player that concerned me the most, and I never thought I’d say this, was Oliver. His disposals used to be like knives, cutting  the opposition to threads. Now he’s turning it over or choosing dumb options.... looks a different player. 

I reckon this lets the club and players off a bit. We're not a bottom 4 worthy team with our midfield. We constantly break even / win the midfield battle. This group of players is not a 1-5 team. This is coaching, fitness and now a total lack of confidence.

9 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

There are simple reasons why we can't connect going i50

- in the last two years we have let go (for good reason) most of our best field kicks to i50 in Watts and Hogan (when he played upfield) and to some extent Kent.  Complemented by Hannan and Fritsch we were getting enough qulaity delivery to offset the butchering and blind bombs from our midfielders.  By sheer weight of i50 numbers we scored often enough to win. 

- Fritsch is no longer the link-up player we lauded him for (correctly) as the Watts replacement but he is now languishing in defence.

- When Hogan played fwd he would mark or bring the ball to ground (then sulk) giving us a chance at ground level.

Our problem was not letting players go.  It is the cumulative effect of all of them going/not being played in the fwd half without their skills being replaced.   So our i50 are now appalling in quantity and quality, our forwards aren't experienced enough against good defenders and there is no one to create a contest in the air. 

Of course their are other i50 connect problems but I believe they start from the above. 

This is clearly why they've played Melksham in the midfield over the past two games, to improve our connection between mid and fwd. He was the leading assister in the league last year and remains our best ball user. 

Unfortunately, the move hasn't paid off as much as they would have hoped, because Melksham has less time in the midfield to ensure his kicks hit targets.

[Deemania since 56 6,607]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

hope Goodwin and his coaching panel have a read... gutsy by Lewis

Agreed, DJ. Lewis should be released from playing ASAP and used in the coaching/strategies/development role. 

[Red But Mostly Blue 4,547]

5 hours ago, pinkshark said:

Same as me.  Completely f'ed up.  My 6 year old last night asked if he could barrack for Geelong. 9 year old daughter jumped ship two years ago against my will with the words 'they're just no good dad' (chose West Coast).  Another ten year old son is sticking fat but he is severely traumatised.

My daughters point was spot on. 

We are a [censored] football club.   Won 1 Lost 5.  Bottom of the ladder.  Melbourne Football Club.

 

 

 

Yikes! Going for Melbourne might be bad for your health, but at least it builds character.

There is literally nowhere for us to go but up from here, so there's that...

[Smokey 4,388]

1 hour ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Bareacking for other teams is simply not an option where I come from. Your footy team is inherited, not something you can pick and choose when it feels convenient

I never got asked what team I wanted to follow as a kid. Neither did my father or his. 

We are melbourne, no matter how painful it is. 

[buck_nekkid 5,846]

We haven’t yet seen what we are capable of.  Imagine if Lever and May had both been on the park, and we were able to structure up in the back half behind the ball with elite pillars?  Imagine if TMac and Weids had a bit of form forward of the ball?  Imagine if we were able to hit a target by hand and foot?

Jesse wanted out.  We made the best of that, and the deficiency we had in defence ‘appeared’ fixed when we secured May, and KK as a freebie to go with him.  We have not yet seen how this will go.  

It looks like it will take us until the Bye to get all the right pieces on the park.  I just hope that as we write off 2019 that we can use it to redefine a style of play that we can manage, and to get some cohesion into our players so that we can become ‘elite’ in 2020.  I also hope we start playing a style that will encourage the AFL to give us premium time slots and not consign us to the rubbish time slots again.

[Sir Why You Little 36,963]

6 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

We haven’t yet seen what we are capable of.  Imagine if Lever and May had both been on the park, and we were able to structure up in the back half behind the ball with elite pillars?  Imagine if TMac and Weids had a bit of form forward of the ball?  Imagine if we were able to hit a target by hand and foot?

Jesse wanted out.  We made the best of that, and the deficiency we had in defence ‘appeared’ fixed when we secured May, and KK as a freebie to go with him.  We have not yet seen how this will go.  

It looks like it will take us until the Bye to get all the right pieces on the park.  I just hope that as we write off 2019 that we can use it to redefine a style of play that we can manage, and to get some cohesion into our players so that we can become ‘elite’ in 2020.  I also hope we start playing a style that will encourage the AFL to give us premium time slots and not consign us to the rubbish time slots again.

To much imagination there buck

What we have is reality

[Engorged Onion 10,215]

59 minutes ago, Elegt said:

Mate if you accept last night's mediocrity you're part of the problem. 2 tackles I50 for the whole game and continual bombing forward to the opoosition. Bag your fellow supporters all you want but some people prefer to spend their hard earned money and time on more valuable things. They are full time professional footballers playing like amateurs

Please let me know how is someone who has no direct link to a club's acceptance or non acceptance of 'mediocity' - part of the teams problem?