PREGAME: Rd 06 vs Richmond

[rjay 24,887]

10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Frost will surely play on Lynch?

I would prefer Tommy Mac...Lynch will be too strong in the air for Frost.

Although the way Tommy is playing he would kick 10...

10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Still, leaves Hibberd to play on Riewoldt. No one else in the side to do it I don't think...except TMac.

That leaves Frost for Riewoldt...a smart footballer and that's not Frost's strength.

Hibberd and Hore can share Caddy.

4 hours ago, Drunkn167 said:

I thought Keilty had played stronger games then Smith, but the really bad game against Box Hill hurt his chances and Smith has probably been more consistent.

Plus Smith does have some AFL experience and to blood a rookie on a really big stage like Anzac Day eve is just too risky I think.

Smith might also rotate through the midfield, so that's another string to his bow.

He does run at times as a mid at Casey.

I Know he's your brother 'Drunkn' but I think Keilty is one of those in between players...not quite a ruck, back or forward.

A bit of a football bits and pieces man, competent at his role but not excelling at any...probably not his fault, be better if allowed to establish himself as a back.

For your sake and his I hope he gets a game, if we don't turn the corner soon his time will come.

Bit of a double edge sword there.

The way Tommy has been playing a spot may open up sooner rather than later..

[My name is legion 158]

Last year we lost to all the teams we’ve played this year so far (and the next two we play: Richmond and Hawthorn). We did beat St Kilda once obviously but we also lost to them.

[Mental Demons 136]

4 hours ago, Skuit said:

Hardwick: Seven years as head-coach of Richmond before success (notably losing out to Dean Bailey who was given the flick at the lowly and compromised MFC after three years). First finals appearance after four years, after which the team dropped out of contention again. One flag since and back to the pack already.

Buckley: Took over a premiership team and two years later it was out of the finals for a prolonged stint. Seven years altogether before he got the club back to the decider - finishing in 13th the year prior. Ultimate success still wanting.

Simpson: Took over and coached the team to a grand final in his second year, before scraping into the finals on the last day of the season just two years later and being utterly wiped out by the opposition in the second week (more so than the job they did on us last year). Found ultimate success a year after.

I could go on. Beveridge - adopted a premiership window team and had a dream run through the finals, then what? Ross Lyon, perennial failure with up followed by down. Roos - one flag in eight seasons of coaching the Swans, with no return in the following five years. Chris Scott - see Buckley basically. Even Clarkson - took the young Hawks to a flag and then dipped out of the finals altogether.

Have faith in your team and its coach.

Good luck to my beloved Dees vs. the Toiges - I'm right behind you for this one, whatever may come.

  

Some interesting points you make but the big difference is that all the coaches you have mentioned have the ability to be good game day coaches who are versatile and have won games from the sidelines. I can only think of games Goodwin has lost from the sidelines. Goodwin does not think on his feet and does not read games well. Goodwin only has one game plan and has despite inheriting a good list, has gone for players that fit his one game plan. We have no key position specialists except center. The skill of the natural good footballer doesn't necessarily transfer to being a great coach. Goodwin presents well but I would rather a coach who coaches well rather than talks well. Goodwin's skills seem more suited to being a football or development manager. Can't see Goodwin pulling them across the line tonight.

[At the break of Gawn 4,460]

19 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

Last year we lost to all the teams we’ve played this year so far (and the next two we play: Richmond and Hawthorn). We did beat St Kilda once obviously but we also lost to them.

We beat Essendon convincingly last year (albeit at Etihad).

[rjay 24,887]

16 minutes ago, Deehumanizing said:

Some interesting points you make but the big difference is that all the coaches you have mentioned have the ability to be good game day coaches who are versatile and have won games from the sidelines. I can only think of games Goodwin has lost from the sidelines. Goodwin does not think on his feet and does not read games well. Goodwin only has one game plan and has despite inheriting a good list, has gone for players that fit his one game plan. We have no key position specialists except center. The skill of the natural good footballer doesn't necessarily transfer to being a great coach. Goodwin presents well but I would rather a coach who coaches well rather than talks well. Goodwin's skills seem more suited to being a football or development manager. Can't see Goodwin pulling them across the line tonight.

Hardwick was a terrible game day coach...

Buckley not much better...

Both were inflexible, stuck to game plans that didn't seem conducive to good football.

They were not versatile.

Time on the job, experience and the right people around them has been key to their success as coaches.

I hope we have the right person in Goodwin, time will tell.

He's certainly making a lot of rookie errors at the moment.

[Mental Demons 136]

 

 

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Just now, rjay said:

Hardwick was a terrible game day coach...

Buckley not much better...

 

Both have won games by out coaching Goodwin. They may not have been versatile. Goodwin is no rookie and has been at the club for years. He is just a crap coach.

[poita 3,896]

What's the point of bringing in players for a week and then dropping them, or sending them back to Casey for a week or two and recalling them after they under perform again? Stretch, Spargo, C.Wagner, and Neal-Bullen all fit into this category. 

Garlett and Smith must both be on their last chance - hopefully they can show some sort of desire to be out there.

Jetta and Preuss both played with injuries last week and now miss, Jetta for several months. Good work medical team!

Simon's selection blunder of the week: after Membrey pantsed Hore & Hibberd last week, you'd think he'd bring in someone to play on Riewoldt. But no, let's throw a fourth gamer on to the Coleman Medallist and watch him kick a bag.

[Mental Demons 136]

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, poita said:

Simon's selection blunder of the week: after Membrey pantsed Hore & Hibberd last week, you'd think he'd bring in someone to play on Riewoldt. But no, let's throw a fourth gamer on to the Coleman Medallist and watch him kick a bag.

I think they will move Tmac down back - he seems to have forgotten how to be a forward. Tmac and Frost will probably do most of the work on Riewoldt. We can't beat Richmond playing a zone defense. Their forwards make backs be accountable. Our backs are not accountable and will fall in a heap. 

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

2 hours ago, Demon Dude said:

His main problem is he doesn't defend when he's not switched on. Ive lost count of the amount of times I've seen his opponent run the ball out our F50 while he's hanging out in the goalsquare waiting for a Joe the goose. My guess is he'll be back out of the team before the bye and probably for good this time.

Was our No.1 tackler inside 50 in 2018 so must have done a little chasing / tackling at times.  Not saying he couldn't do better but there it is.

Jeffy is also our No.1 (non KPF) goal scorer of 2018 from those that remain on our list.

A specialist deep forward player that you put there to feed off the crumbs of the Key Talls, clean up and try and score or run into space for the loose ball and score.  Emphasis is on making something out of nothing or being where you would expect someone in this role to be in order to finish and kick goals.  Chasing down where possible but if you kick the goal there is NO chasing required.  You say he is lazy and not chasing his opponent.  I'm not saying this doesn't happen at times when he is off.  I seem to recall a bit of this also.  But what if...his opponent is a reasonably ordinary user of the ball and coach instructs Jeffy to stay at home within a certain distance from goal and not chase outside that area (or if opponent is a fair way off when starting his rebound)...leave that to others to peel off in the zone up field and pressure and conserve energy to -  take advantage of potential turnovers for the joe the goose or easy hit ups on a lead?  Effectively a plus one up forward on the turnover for the opportunist goal.

Unfortunately we really don't have anyone else capable of playing this specialist crumbing / goal kicking role.  The closest we had were....

• Kent - Was ranked 3rd highest in average goals per game in 2018 just behind T-Mac & Hogan (in that order).
• Bugg -  Ranked 7th
• Spargo -  Ranked 12th.  Had moments last year but is now sadly way off AFL level for now for whatever reason...injury / poor form?
• Hannan -  Ranked 5th.  Not so much a stay at home specialist around goal playing a fair chunk higher up.  Now injured of course. 
• ANB -  Ranked 9th -  More a run with player / opportunist ...but badly out of form in his 3 matches so far.  Hopefully he can find some form tonight.
• Melk - 6th  / Tracc - 10th.   More half forwards / pushing into mid.

Having said that i think Jeffy (in some decent form) is a perfect foil for Pruess when playing deep in the square.  But the old curse has struck again.  Will have to wait a little longer.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Rusty Nails

[My name is legion 158]

2 hours ago, My name is legion said:

Last year we lost to all the teams we’ve played this year so far (and the next two we play: Richmond and Hawthorn). We did beat St Kilda once obviously but we also lost to them.

Sorry except Essendon. But swans beat us. So out of the games played so far against those opponents same number of wins.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,693]

16 hours ago, praha said:

Lucky for them they play Melbourne this week. I'm guessing Lynch kicks 10, Jack 5, with Grimes floating forward for 3 goals and 12 marks.

So, all we need is Weideman to kick 18 and the game will be ours.

1 hour ago, poita said:

What's the point of bringing in players for a week and then dropping them, or sending them back to Casey for a week or two and recalling them after they under perform again? Stretch, Spargo, C.Wagner, and Neal-Bullen all fit into this category. 

Garlett and Smith must both be on their last chance - hopefully they can show some sort of desire to be out there.

Jetta and Preuss both played with injuries last week and now miss, Jetta for several months. Good work medical team!

Simon's selection blunder of the week: after Membrey pantsed Hore & Hibberd last week, you'd think he'd bring in someone to play on Riewoldt. But no, let's throw a fourth gamer on to the Coleman Medallist and watch him kick a bag.

Under normal circumstances I would agree. But I wonder whether the short-turnaround time between the last game and this has changed things. While it wouldn't be my strategy, I wonder whether Stretch was always going to play one, miss one and then play again tonight? I could see some logic in it.

[titan_uranus 24,975]

8 hours ago, Skuit said:

Hardwick: Seven years as head-coach of Richmond before success (notably losing out to Dean Bailey who was given the flick at the lowly and compromised MFC after three years). First finals appearance after four years, after which the team dropped out of contention again. One flag since and back to the pack already.

Buckley: Took over a premiership team and two years later it was out of the finals for a prolonged stint. Seven years altogether before he got the club back to the decider - finishing in 13th the year prior. Ultimate success still wanting.

Simpson: Took over and coached the team to a grand final in his second year, before scraping into the finals on the last day of the season just two years later and being utterly wiped out by the opposition in the second week (more so than the job they did on us last year). Found ultimate success a year after.

I could go on. Beveridge - adopted a premiership window team and had a dream run through the finals, then what? Ross Lyon, perennial failure with up followed by down. Roos - one flag in eight seasons of coaching the Swans, with no return in the following five years. Chris Scott - see Buckley basically. Even Clarkson - took the young Hawks to a flag and then dipped out of the finals altogether.

Have faith in your team and its coach.

Good luck to my beloved Dees vs. the Toiges - I'm right behind you for this one, whatever may come.

I like it.

As recently as Round 2 last year, Collingwood supporters were calling for Buckley's head. Each year under him before last year they had finished lower on the ladder than the year prior, and they opened with two limp losses to Hawthorn and GWS.

Only from Round 3 last year onwards has Buckley begun to demonstrate that he actually knows what he's doing (and now he's generally regarded as an astute coach and a good leader).

You can add John Longmire to your list (took over a strong team, got a flag early, but no flag now for 7 years and a list which looks ready to fall off a cliff).

4 hours ago, Deehumanizing said:

Some interesting points you make but the big difference is that all the coaches you have mentioned have the ability to be good game day coaches who are versatile and have won games from the sidelines. I can only think of games Goodwin has lost from the sidelines. Goodwin does not think on his feet and does not read games well. Goodwin only has one game plan and has despite inheriting a good list, has gone for players that fit his one game plan. We have no key position specialists except center. The skill of the natural good footballer doesn't necessarily transfer to being a great coach. Goodwin presents well but I would rather a coach who coaches well rather than talks well. Goodwin's skills seem more suited to being a football or development manager. Can't see Goodwin pulling them across the line tonight.

In the cases of Buckley and Hardwick, this only became true once they won a flag (Hardwick) or made the GF (Buckley).

Hindsight reasoning at its finest.

In saying that, I agree with you that on current evidence Goodwin's game-day coaching is not great. I don't think we've seen much of Goodwin making changes on the fly or adapting to problems within games. His big go-to move is to drop a number behind the ball, but he only ever does this after our opponent has scored 4-5+ goals in a row. I've never been a fan and I don't understand why he keeps doing it.

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Under normal circumstances I would agree. But I wonder whether the short-turnaround time between the last game and this has changed things. While it wouldn't be my strategy, I wonder whether Stretch was always going to play one, miss one and then play again tonight? I could see some logic in it.

I had thought this prior to the St Kilda game as well, that we might drop a player or two to ensure they were able to come back for the Richmond game.

Whatever the reasoning is, I hope Stretch plays well, or at the very least plays well enough that we don't immediately drop him back to Casey.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

8 hours ago, Skuit said:

Hey Drunkn - I admire your spirit, composure and level-headedness since you've joined this site and persistence since. I'm disappointed your brother hasn't been given a gig yet this year - especially in light of Tmac and Weids' form so far (and Petty getting a shot last year, although that may have ended up detrimental to your brother's cause in the long run) and I'd probably be just as disappointed if it came down to just the one poor outing v Box Hill. Without betraying your inside line to the club, can you give us any indication if Dec is close, what they're saying to him for example? Encouraging? Needs to improve certain aspects etc.?

He was actually told if Pruess doesn’t play he’ll get his debut

So when he didn’t get picked he was pretty upset yesterday 

He’ll just have to kick a bag in the VFL to prove his worth haha

[frankie_d 1,471]

3 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

He was actually told if Pruess doesn’t play he’ll get his debut

So when he didn’t get picked he was pretty upset yesterday 

He’ll just have to kick a bag in the VFL to prove his worth haha

ugh - no reason to doubt this source.

not a good look. infact, a [censored] look.

[Lucifers Hero 39,603]

8 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

He was actually told if Pruess doesn’t play he’ll get his debut

So when he didn’t get picked he was pretty upset yesterday 

He’ll just have to kick a bag in the VFL to prove his worth haha

Very disappointing for coaches to say one thing then do another.  Hardly does anything for morale/trust.

Your bro has good reason to be upset.

Edited April 24, 2019 by Lucifer's Hero

[leucopogon 1,519]

Classic MFC player management at it's finest. I hope Dec plays soon Drunkn.

[dazzledavey36 54,285]

15 minutes ago, Drunkn167 said:

He was actually told if Pruess doesn’t play he’ll get his debut

So when he didn’t get picked he was pretty upset yesterday 

He’ll just have to kick a bag in the VFL to prove his worth haha

How do you feel about this @Satyriconhome? Coaches saying one thing but not sticking to their word?

Very disappointing act in my honest opinion. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,220]

This is the last time my optimistic half is going to rear its ugly head this year but I think we have a chance.

I like Garlett in - should have been a week ago.

I like Stretch in - shouldn't have been dropped.

ANB ? - well if he can kick only straight!

Lockhart - showed a bit the one time I saw him play 

Smith - this is a big opportunity for him

We'll miss Preuss. He draws a crowd up forward and could have opened things up and provided crumbing opps. It would also give the option of moving Tmac back to gain some confidence through keeping Jack out of the game . A well,  c'est la vie on that one.

I'd like to see Jones deep forward - He's still very good at finding the ball in traffic and knows how to kick a goal.

Melk has got to be on the wing surely, to see if he can reproduce those long raking kicks to our forwards.

I don't think anyone will kick a bag ( I'd love to see it though) but we need a number of blokes to find the goals.

Here's hoping!

 

[Satyriconhome 10,731]

31 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

How do you feel about this @Satyriconhome? Coaches saying one thing but not sticking to their word?

Very disappointing act in my honest opinion. 

With all respect to Dec, who I think has improved every year he has been at the club, I have no issue with coaches putting team balance ahead of a players feelings, we will know by the end of the night whether team selection was correct

As none of us were there and taking into consideration the relationship between Dec and Drunkin, we don't know exactly what was said

Goodwin has an open door policy, so if Dec wants a reason, he only has to ask, been told by multiple players they know exactly where they stand with Goodwin and other coaches

 

[jnrmac 20,055]

10 hours ago, Skuit said:

Hardwick: Seven years as head-coach of Richmond before success (notably losing out to Dean Bailey who was given the flick at the lowly and compromised MFC after three years). First finals appearance after four years, after which the team dropped out of contention again. One flag since and back to the pack already.

Buckley: Took over a premiership team and two years later it was out of the finals for a prolonged stint. Seven years altogether before he got the club back to the decider - finishing in 13th the year prior. Ultimate success still wanting.

Simpson: Took over and coached the team to a grand final in his second year, before scraping into the finals on the last day of the season just two years later and being utterly wiped out by the opposition in the second week (more so than the job they did on us last year). Found ultimate success a year after.

I could go on. Beveridge - adopted a premiership window team and had a dream run through the finals, then what? Ross Lyon, perennial failure with up followed by down. Roos - one flag in eight seasons of coaching the Swans, with no return in the following five years. Chris Scott - see Buckley basically. Even Clarkson - took the young Hawks to a flag and then dipped out of the finals altogether.

Have faith in your team and its coach.

Good luck to my beloved Dees vs. the Toiges - I'm right behind you for this one, whatever may come.

 

This line is complete garbage. He inherited a basket case.

[Old Bear 388]

Think the Tigers will go in with a very simple game plan

Kick it towards Lewis at every opportunity 

The rest will take care of it’s self 

[Sydee 4,387]

51 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

This is the last time my optimistic half is going to rear its ugly head this year but I think we have a chance.

I like Garlett in - should have been a week ago.

I like Stretch in - shouldn't have been dropped.

ANB ? - well if he can kick only straight!

Lockhart - showed a bit the one time I saw him play 

Smith - this is a big opportunity for him

We'll miss Preuss. He draws a crowd up forward and could have opened things up and provided crumbing opps. It would also give the option of moving Tmac back to gain some confidence through keeping Jack out of the game . A well,  c'est la vie on that one.

I'd like to see Jones deep forward - He's still very good at finding the ball in traffic and knows how to kick a goal.

Melk has got to be on the wing surely, to see if he can reproduce those long raking kicks to our forwards.

I don't think anyone will kick a bag ( I'd love to see it though) but we need a number of blokes to find the goals.

Here's hoping!

 

Hey BBO fantastic effort to be so optimistic I almost felt a glimmer of hope - then looked at their forward 6 and our back 6 again and felt rather ill 

[Mental Demons 136]

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

In the cases of Buckley and Hardwick, this only became true once they won a flag (Hardwick) or made the GF (Buckley).

Hindsight reasoning at its finest.

It is not hindsight reasoning. The fact is they are better now and into the future. There is no evidence the Goodwin has the ability and adapt. He is no novice, he has been at the club for two years under Roos and before that at Essendon. We don't need an apprentice coach we just have a mature one that has fundamental limitations. It is the coach that is meant to steer the team to success and not be crap until the cattle win a premiership in spite of the coach. You are only seeing what you want to see. Goodwin inherited a good list and was there for its building. He has turned our list into a rabble and seems clueless to do anything but talk about the brand. Roos is a much better coach and took a team to a GF win. Goodwin can dream of doing that.  

[Bitter but optimistic 22,220]

Just boarded the train at Scumbury. Sitting near a bunch of Richmond blokes - all yap, Tatts and bo !

No hang on - they’re shielas ! FMD they’re ugly!

Dunno why they’re looking at me . Probably picked me as a celebrity 

I purchased a reserved seat a few weeks ago- otherwise i’d Probably armchair support from the Manor 

Worst thing is my seat is right next to @Moonshadow   [censored] that’ll be boring 

[leave it to deever 17,511]

1 hour ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

 

I'd like to see Jones deep forward - He's still very good at finding the ball in traffic and knows how to kick a goal.

Melk has got to be on the wing surely, to see if he can reproduce those long raking kicks to our forwards.

Yep