2 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

it was a deal that on most people's estimation went beyond the length of his likely playing career.

As it has turned out they didn't get it too far wrong but it was still an unusual deal.

unusual yes. dodgy not at all. smart?  extremely.

1 hour ago, Win4theAges said:

Why would you want a player that doesn't train? He's finished.

With a training record like Buddy's, one twist and you're  permanently knackered. 

If Weid goes elsewhere at the end of the year, we'd probably be keen to take anyone with runs on the board......a fair few runs too.

Cast your minds back to last week and recall that feeling you had when the ball went anywhere near the vicinity of Buddy. In a similar exercise, think about when Tomald had the ball.  Therein lies your answer.

2 hours ago, TGR said:

.....  If we had calmed down to a rational level (a kid was offered the deal of a lifetime that we would have encouraged our kids to accept; and the club forced him to lie essentially), and our medical team was on par with Hawthorn's, Scully would have come back.  No doubt whatsoever.

No doubt whatsoever?   I'd love to live in that universe. 

Is the opening 'we' referring to supporters, or the players and coaches who played with him.  The supporters' views would hardly matter.  Also I hadn't realised that our incompetent medicos had examined him and rejected him.  Sorry, I have a niggling doubt you are right.

Doesn't pass the no DH test.

NO.

IMO,  buddy likes the curtain around Sydney.   He gets to do his stuff in relative anonymity.  I don't think its he who wants to leave Sydney.

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Each time WE, or others,  takes a way too highly payed player off the Swans books,  it will come back to hurt us,  as it frees up the Swans to go spend on younger players we should be after.

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Let them wallow in their own Buddy debt.

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4 hours ago, Demon3564 said:

If he wanted a window club and swans looking to deal, yes or no?

I reckon North would be into him

3 hours ago, Moonshadow said:

Doesn't pass the no DH test.

NO.

Agreed.  Is said to have various off-field issues not dissimilar to Jesse!

No way we would take Buddy!

Edited April 17, 20195 yr by Lucifer's Hero

2 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

Sydney put up a dodgy TEN year deal to get Buddy.

No club, NO club should help them out.  Let them bear the consequences.

And if Sydney are trying to get rid of Buddy, ask St.Kilda what sort of condition Hannebury was in when the Swans traded him out.

Indeed. It was outrageous at the time. I hope they back ended the hell out of it.

He is 32 years old, unable to train, is starting to lose his long kicking and has another 4 years to go. 

He would be 33 at the start of next season. It depends on his body i suppose. But if fit i would get him on board for 2 years... I think

Buddy is almost untradable

6 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Indeed. It was outrageous at the time. I hope they back ended the hell out of it.

He is 32 years old, unable to train, is starting to lose his long kicking and has another 4 years to go. 

not that outrageous..let's say they had given him a five year deal which had run out at the end of 2017. They probably would have needed to pay him an extra $100k for each of those first five years. At the end of 2017 he would have commanded a three year deal at say $1.2M.

Assuming he retires at the end of 2019 (big assumption) the difference is only around $1M. Not chicken feed but to get Buddy to Sydney it was well worth it.

27 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

not that outrageous..let's say they had given him a five year deal which had run out at the end of 2017. They probably would have needed to pay him an extra $100k for each of those first five years. At the end of 2017 he would have commanded a three year deal at say $1.2M.

 Assuming he retires at the end of 2019 (big assumption) the difference is only around $1M. Not chicken feed but to get Buddy to Sydney it was well worth it.

His reported contract is 10 million over 10 years.

Under your scenario... 

2013-2017 : 5 x 1.1million = $5,500,000 

2017-2020: 3 x 1.2million = $3,600,000

Total = $9.1million

So yeah, in hindsight not too bad. But you only have him contracted till 2020 when you could reduce it right down or more likely let him retire. Plus you would much prefer this option as a club when signing as you get to renegotiate in 2017. 

The AFL advised at the time of the trade that Buddy's salary would stay in the salary cap even if he retires prematurely (which they will probably go against). If he is forced to retire at the end of this year (as you say unlikely but possible), he will be chewing over a million per year for the next three years. That's huge.

Sydney have been lucky that he has been able to produce at such a high level for so long. It really could have been a lot worse. They took a punt and it has largely paid off, but it was outrageous at the time.

Edited April 17, 20195 yr by BAMF

5 hours ago, chook fowler said:

The old club would have gone for an overweight, overpaid hasbeen. Not now surely.

Just checking we are talking about the same player. I thought the thread was about a guy named Lance 'Buddy' Franklin . . . currently playing for the Sydney Swans and formerly of Hawthorn. The one that hasn't played less than 17 games per year for the last ten years (19 last year and all four this year), has kicked at least 50 goals a year for 11 of the last 12 years (including 57 last year), averages at least three goals a game (including 2018) over a career spanning 294 games. 

Obviously I'm thinking of a different Buddy Franklin . . . not the "overweight, overpaid, has-been" one. 

Edited April 17, 20195 yr by Queanbeyan Demon
Typo

Hi BAMF

I really cannot see Buddy playing past 2020. That's why I did the comparison in the sense that a "reasonable club" would have offered him a five year deal and then the next would be a three. After that it would be year to year.

No disrespect to Frost but if he can hold him to some cameos I'm sure that most backmen will do the same.

His inability to train must also impact upon the team ethos

What do they call it when a baseballer has attempted to hit the ball twice and missed?

Both him and his close mate now at St Kilda. Won’t mention the one at Freo because “I know NOTHING!”

39 minutes ago, BAMF said:

His reported contract is 10 million over 10 years.

Under your scenario... 

2013-2017 : 5 x 1.1million = $5,500,000 

2017-2020: 3 x 1.2million = $3,600,000

Total = $9.1million

So yeah, in hindsight not too bad. But you only have him contracted till 2020 when you could reduce it right down or more likely let him retire. Plus you would much prefer this option as a club when signing as you get to renegotiate in 2017. 

The AFL advised at the time of the trade that Buddy's salary would stay in the salary cap even if he retires prematurely (which they will probably go against). If he is forced to retire at the end of this year (as you say unlikely but possible), he will be chewing over a million per year for the next three years. That's huge.

Sydney have been lucky that he has been able to produce at such a high level for so long. It really could have been a lot worse. They took a punt and it has largely paid off, but it was outrageous at the time.

Buddy started with Sydney in 2014, not sure if your figures take that into account?

Edited April 17, 20195 yr by John Demonic

I would take him in a heartbeat , He  would command the best back man every week. Put him sitting in the forward 40 area  and stays there, even in a  pocket. Could be the icing on the cake we need, with Lewis gone at the end of the year, we are losing lots of experience. We will be chasing a experienced player . We have the salary cap room, we have already started that we have room for one more star. If what i've read is correct he will earn approx 3.5 to 4 mill over the next 3 years, then he worths a second round pick . if the swans pay some of that expect a first round pick. But remember we have salary cap space and need to use our first round pick ! 

Would you pay Boyd 6 mill for 6 years to win a premiership ??  there are no guarantee's but Buddy would get us closer !!

And I want to see us win at least one Premiership !!

3 minutes ago, markc said:

I would take him in a heartbeat , He  would command the best back man every week. Put him sitting in the forward 40 area  and stays there, even in a  pocket. Could be the icing on the cake we need, with Lewis gone at the end of the year, we are losing lots of experience. We will be chasing a experienced player . We have the salary cap room, we have already started that we have room for one more star. If what i've read is correct he will earn approx 3.5 to 4 mill over the next 3 years, then he worths a second round pick . if the swans pay some of that expect a first round pick. But remember we have salary cap space and need to use our first round pick ! 

Would you pay Boyd 6 mill for 6 years to win a premiership ??  there are no guarantee's but Buddy would get us closer !!

And I want to see us win at least one Premiership !!

Could you please stop talking sense markc?

Would rather offer Neitz & Ox 3 year contracts 

12 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Could you please stop talking sense markc?

no one has ever said that to me , not sure do i cry or laugh 

i will do both when we finally win a premiership !!! 

 

20 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Buddy started with Sydney in 2014, not sure if your figures take that into account?

thanks... that means he has five years to run including this one. On that scenario his 5 year renewal would have come at the end of 2018.

Would have been interesting to see what he was offered assuming he was recontracted at years end.

To make the original deal "work" they really need him to play this year and next.

45 minutes ago, ProperDee said:

What do they call it when a baseballer has attempted to hit the ball twice and missed?

Both him and his close mate now at St Kilda. Won’t mention the one at Freo because “I know NOTHING!”

So watt your talking about...  In club terms,  is  'C'ulture.

'french',  for Fish  ?

 

It's a big  passe`,  from me.

Edited April 17, 20195 yr by DV8

40 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Buddy started with Sydney in 2014, not sure if your figures take that into account?

 Good point.

Maths is the same as its based off the number of years Diamond Jim proposed and a ten year contract which he is actually on.

However that does mean that he has in his 6th year and has another 4 to go. That's a long time left to be paying over 1 million per year. 

Would any club take that contract over? I don't think so