Angus Brayshaw....by a country mile.

Comes from good stock.  Principled.  Looks into your eye when his speaking.  Doesn't speak BS.  Bloody good player with low centre of gravity and evasion.  Right mix of professionalism and 'havin' a laugh'.

 

pTGR

 

 

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by TGR

Angus can easily be in line as the next  Co  Captain when Nathan Jones steps aside however good call TGR.

It will take Jones to relinquish co-cap to create a vacancy. 

Then Max steps up as co-capt (with Viney) Max is smart with the media and is great for our marketing.

But, imv we currently lack footy IQ and on-field leadership.  So I reckon Lever as a vice-capt (with Jetta).  Other contenders for vice-capt haven't stood up in these areas this year.

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by Lucifer's Hero

He may not be in form currently, but Tom McDonald possesses the right attributes too

8 minutes ago, joeboy said:

He may not be in form currently, but Tom McDonald possesses the right attributes too

He sooks too much when things aren't going his way.

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

He sooks too much when things aren't going his way.

Some of the rubbish being written two games in after playing finals last year astounds me, Tommy Mc is one of the more team orientated players in the squad......he sooks, an example is?

22 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Some of the rubbish being written two games in after playing finals last year astounds me, Tommy Mc is one of the more team orientated players in the squad......he sooks, an example is?

Off field he's a picture of equanimity and solid intellect, On-field he's demonstrative to team mates and sooky when it's no delivered on a plate. Hey, it works for Selwood so maybe it's fine. I'm just pointing out one of the issues i've found with him over the past few years.

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by John Demonic

6 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Off field he's a picture of equanimity and solid intellect, On-field he's demonstrative to team mates and sooky when it's no delivered on a plate. Hey, it works for Selwood so maybe it's fine. I'm just pointing out one of the issues i've found with him over the past few years.

I would be demonstrative if I had double led, ran 75 metres and lost my opponent, for the ball delivered to my feet or over my head, an example of when he sooked?

 

 

5 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

I would be demonstrative if I had double led, ran 75 metres and lost my opponent, for the ball delivered to my feet or over my head, an example of when he sooked?

Probably the biggest that comes to mind is the 2017 round 23 match v Collingwood with him spitting the dummy at umpires and shouting at team mates. But i do notice his face looking quite furious with the ball delivery. It's no big sin, but i just don't see a player that rallies and inspires players to shift the momentum of a match. Just looks like a blamer to me. It's purely anecdotal though. Maybe others see him as a leader that demands excellence.

Captain - someone who can play almost every game and inspire. No one springs to mind at present

Maybe it's just me...I couldn't care less

Leadership at Melbourne is either incredibly misunderstood as a value...or irrelevant.

Viney captain until 2027.  

Next captain after Viney is yet to be drafted.  

4 hours ago, TGR said:

Angus Brayshaw....by a country mile.

Comes from good stock.  Principled.  Looks into your eye when his speaking.  Doesn't speak BS.  Bloody good player with low centre of gravity and evasion.  Right mix of professionalism and 'havin' a laugh'.

pTGR

TMc

Edited April 2, 20196 yr by DV8

Jake Lever for me. One very astute young man.

Jack Viney will be captain for another 5 years at least.  Brayshaw will follow him.

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Maybe it's just me...I couldn't care less

Leadership at Melbourne is either incredibly misunderstood as a value...or irrelevant.

Couldn't disagree more.

If there's been one consistent failing of this club since 2006, it's been our lack of leadership from within the playing group.

15 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

It will take Jones to relinquish co-cap to create a vacancy. 

Then Max steps up as co-capt (with Viney) Max is smart with the media and is great for our marketing.

But, imv we currently lack footy IQ and on-field leadership.  So I reckon Lever as a vice-capt (with Jetta).  Other contenders for vice-capt haven't stood up in these areas this year.

I've never been in favour of co-captains, so when Jones retires or relinquishes the captaincy, I'd rather have a single captain. Assuming he stays fit enough, I'm happy for it be Viney, although I'm not yet truly convinced that he's got all the necessary attributes.

And to jump in before anyone asks, while I can't fault his on-field endeavour my concerns with Viney are (1) a counter-intuitive concern that he may not be properly team oriented by trying to play when he's not fully fit and (2) he doesn't strike me as being particularly articulate (which I think is significant when the Captain is required to be the voice of the playing group.) 

11 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Couldn't disagree more.

If there's been one consistent failing of this club since 2006, it's been our lack of leadership from within the playing group.

Hence...the club doesn't understand it...or we'd bloody well get some ( real leadership )

I agree...our biggest consistency.

Still our biggest problem

Leadership...

15 hours ago, ProperDee said:

Jake Lever for me. One very astute young man.

Has to get on the park first. And when he does put a couple of top seasons together.

A good player no doubt but let's remember he was pretty average for us for his first 7 or 8 games.

Leaders have to perform. Which is why I would love to see Oliver as a captain one day. Our best player by a smallish margin to maxy and then a big margin to the next best (gus?). Maybe not the most articulate bloke but a leader by action.

2nd youngest side in round 1.  Runners Limited on ground.

we need a leader on each line, regardless of their ‘title’.  Somone who gets the line group together and quarterback’s the play, gives them a rev, reminds them of the task, or whatever.

Lewis and Jones and maybe Nev.  after that, I’m looking at who is going to stand up and lead.  Who will rally others with words and inspire with deeds.  Until everyone is 100% on plan A (which we are clearly not) we can’t expect a leaderless team to shift mid game to plan B.

Call Brayshaw what you want.  I’m Looking for leadership beyond titles to move us forward.  Not seeing much of that.

17 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Couldn't disagree more.

If there's been one consistent failing of this club since 2006, it's been our lack of leadership from within the playing group.

Don't know who I am agreeing with.

My question is who were the leaders at the dogs in 2016?  Murphy wasn't even considered when Griffen got the gig.

Don't know about leadership?  Who here was singing Cotchin's praises in relation to leadership at Richmond before they won a flag?

 

We can skirt around the issue of leadership, but the ingredients of a cake are talent, effort, knowledge, resilience....and the list goes on.  Think for one moment why Clarko was happy to turf out Hodge, Lewis and Mitchell within what...18 months?  He wanted youth and leg speed in, at the expense of the most overrated ingredient mentioned in footy-land.  May was co-captain of an AFL club, yet turned up to pre-season totally unfit.

I would say, and I have said consistently, that the "leg speed ingredient" is missing far more than leadership.  That is why we were suckered into the Lewis deal.  Well done Clarko....you fooled the MFC and 95% of its supporter base.

 

On 4/2/2019 at 7:04 PM, bobby1554 said:

Captain - someone who can play almost every game and inspire. No one springs to mind at present

Ah, Clarry Choo Choo!??

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Ah, Clarry Choo Choo!??

Please.... don't jinx him.

Oliver and/or Brayshaw if they don't seek a trade.