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4 minutes ago, Jaded said:

Hello darkness my old friend 

 

 

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1 hour ago, old dee said:

There are better early draft picks down here and it is more familiarly territory. Someone should start a thread on 2019 early draft prospects!

That's it OD..

All we need are some decent draft picks....

Those kids will save us....

They'll be our way back to glory....

....

🤔Oh wait !!! 🙄

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8 hours ago, chookrat said:

(sarcasm font /) I don't think our situation is anywhere near as bad as it seems. Our aim is to win the Premiership, to do this we need to beat a WCE or Colliingwood in GF, to be able do this we need to to win at least two finals and to do this we need to win at least 12/13 games with healthy percentage.

We can win the next 3 while improving to then take on Richmond for Anzac Eve and then we are 4 - 2 and back on track, with Lever, J Smith, Vanders and Hannan to work back in and establish in our best 22. All is not lost. (sarcasm font /end)

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2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Someone has 🙂.  WJ knew what was going to happen this year and got in early!!

 

Truth is,  we should never stop looking forward to the draft and trade.   It should coincide with our attention on the H&A season.  Whether we are at the pointy end, or the fat end of the ladder.

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2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I must be watching a different team. Our coaches have built a team which is all and only about about the inside contest. It's all gladiatorial stuff. We haven't an outside game. We don't really have the players for that "style's.

So I'm not as convinced as your good self that this FD are particularly open-minded. In fact I'm inclined to think they're the absolute opposite and only budge from their road of thought begrudgingly..

Time will tell.

We might have a bit if talent but I don't see a game plan that's going to win a GF...not now.

We're one way flat track bullies in a way.

We've lost the ability to cover our backsides...and we can't kick a sausage to save ourselves.

Quite frankly we're an embarassing mess at the moment.....and cherry ripe for picking over by any team with aspirations and better coherency.

I concede I often have a very different view from many here.I don't shy from it 

I'm so reminded of Icarus.

its never as good, and never as bad. Beez.

 

We have players that can play run and carry,  but many have struggled to play the hard contested brand ... so they suffer from confidence.  Some will come on,  'blossom'  no doubt,  now with 666.   The open spaces will give them the thing they crave.  Room to move within, and function better.

Some will grow into themselves with the changes. 

 

And some we have jettisoned, would have done well in the open spaces.

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

its never as good, and never as bad. Beez.

 

We have players that can play run and carry,  but many have struggled to play the hard contested brand ... so they suffer from confidence.  Some will come on,  'blossom'  no doubt,  now with 666.   The open spaces will give them the thing they crave.  Room to move within, and function better.

Some will grow into themselves with the changes. 

 

And some we have jettisoned, would have done well in the open spaces.

Here in lays a problem of understanding. ( Not you...just overall )

Outside players DON'T need to be actually contesting the hard ball. They do need to apply pressure.

We are far too one dimensional. Our Achilles heel.

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

Truth is,  we should never stop looking forward to the draft and trade.   It should coincide with our attention on the H&A season.  Whether we are at the pointy end, or the fat end of the ladder.

The draft has not served us well. It is a lottery. Trades are where it is at. Watch Hawthorn, Geelong and Hawthorn.

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5 minutes ago, President Dee Trump said:

The draft has not served us well. It is a lottery. Trades are where it is at. Watch Hawthorn, Geelong and Hawthorn.

No, we have failed the draft far too often...  we have made a an art form of mistakes at drafting and development. 

 

Its not been the picks...  its the selections and the types,  and then the development of...  combined with club culture and leadership at that time.

We tend to go off.  And became a fat and lazy club too often,  and when we are in that space, we fail at nearly everything we touch.

It's a comfort zone we slip into,  after a period of relative success.

And usually associated with boards elected from in-house people.

 

We currently do not suffer from this situation,  because we've been blessed with talented leaders off-field,  at the behest of the AFL.

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13 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

It's been that way since the start of 2018.

'We just' makes it sound simple.

It's a worrying trend and I can't see any positive change in any part of our game post the prelim final as of yet.

From 2-3 we went to 16-8 before we lost the prelim. That's a period of 14-5 doing the same thing. Of the 5, only one of them was a loss by more than 10 points.

Yes, the prelim was bad, but is it that surprising that we've approached 2019 by focusing on the 19-game stretch that got us into the prelim rather than the prelim?

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16 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

From 2-3 we went to 16-8 before we lost the prelim. That's a period of 14-5 doing the same thing. Of the 5, only one of them was a loss by more than 10 points.

Yes, the prelim was bad, but is it that surprising that we've approached 2019 by focusing on the 19-game stretch that got us into the prelim rather than the prelim?

It's surprising considering the rules have changed...that others have found us out and short on smarts.

It's surprising as the game does change yet we're stuck in the mud (mire)

and yet...not so surprising.

We're wasting some talented players by telling them to play dumb football.

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FFS I just saw that the boy Jones is coming up on The Oval Office on Ch.9.

Last week it was Brayshaw on media street and now Jones. I shouldn't watch..........but I will.

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3 minutes ago, the rolling fog said:

FFS I just saw that the boy Jones is coming up on The Oval Office on Ch.9.

Last week it was Brayshaw on media street and now Jones. I shouldn't watch..........but I will.

The public are fascinated by train wrecks....

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Pretty cool huh?!

(I cannot believe we’re here...)

how did this happen? 

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As I mentioned in another thread. 

Lewis, Jones, Viney, Gawn, in particular, Hibberd, Jetta and TMac should be embarrassed. 

I think what we are seeing now is a trend. Dating back to the Prelim. 8 weeks now of garbage. 

That tells me we are looking at a bottom 4 finish, potentially last. Very harsh reality.

Does this mean the Roos rebuild was a failure? What does it mean of Goodwin?

We absolutely need to start looking at 2020 and beyond rather than salvaging this year as fans. We will surely win some games but it's astonishing how far we have fallen. 

I've said it once and I'll say it again: so long as we have players from the Geelong 186 era on our list, we will disappoint and falter. Perennial losers.

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Goodwin says “easiest team to play against”. He needs to add “easiest team to coach against” too.

He and his assistants have been worked out, exposed and now systematically eviscerated.

Players may be rubbish but the buck stops with him. 

 

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On the bright side, at least this time we have bottomed out without expansion clubs coming in pillaging the draft 

I'm actually hoping the club takes a good hard look at the mid season draft and unearths a player who will contribute next year and beyond. 

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1 minute ago, Nasher said:

Just a fleeting visit. We’re not here to stay.

Yep, just like popping in to see family. It’s good to go back home . in a changing world it’s reassuring when somethings stay the same. 

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