35 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

Binman is spot on. May clearly initiated contact and bumped berry. It amuses me that people think he had no other option but to brace. He literally side stepped left and went back into berry to lay the bump. 

I'll put everyone elses view down to the fact that they are just biased supporters that can't see the forest for the trees.

I can understand arguing medium impact down to light impact but arguing that May was simply standing his ground is laughable. And the tribunal agreed with Binman and I.

rubbish..if you pay very careful attention his right foot NEVER moves !!

Did he lean into the brace ? For sure..I would... Only a fool wouldnt.  Its what you might do if relative stationary against a someone moving into you

we're biased ???? pfffffffffft

This had NOTHING to do with what actually happened

It has everything to do with a FAKERY...an act of deliberate manipulation of the MRP by the AFL. a desire to see a particular outcome irrelevant of the facts.

Facts were submitted....and ignored

if this was a criminal or indeed civil case...youd take it to the next level

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

bb I think the club did all it could with the options it had. 

It could not predict the Three wise monkeys Stooges of the Tribunal (Loveridge, Loewe and Wakelin) would be told by the AFL advocate to treat real evidence as 'irrelevant' and accept his waffle of: 'potential for injury', the 'look' of the vision, May positioned with 'significant momentum'.  None of these hypotheticals seemed to be backed up with evidence nor been raised at Tribuanls before; it is purely gut feel stuff which generates a gut feel outcome.  As you said earlier The Fix was in. 

I do think the club is beginning to play hard ball.  That they appealed was a good move - if nothing else sends a signal.  Also, our President recently took legal action against some WA reporter and extracted an apology. 

We are no longer beholden to the AFL - I doubt the new MFC will let many bad calls get past it - but we many not win them all. 

Respect comes slowly.  The MFC of the last 5 years is earning that back.  Yes, still some way to go but we are no longer the doormats of the AFL.

How many years now has 'The Anointed Donkey' been messing up the interpretations of onfield incidents with false allegations and the guilt of the guiltless? Oh, that's correct, I had forgotten as it feels so terribly standardised, already; it is two years. OK, so that means a third is underweigh. What a disrespectful move by the AFL to the general public. Hair of dog and eye of newt being boiled and stirred in the pot of mediocrity. 

4 hours ago, daisycutter said:

I've just rewatched this 10 times. You need to watch it especially in real-time, not slo-mo. 

there really is not much in this, as shirt fronts go. under the rules the mrp are supposed to operate on, i can't agree that the contact can be graded as medium given there was no injury outcome

if the mrp is operating under new rules for contact grading they need to explain so but so far they haven't.

this is not a safe nor consistent ruling.........but not surprising based on the mrp's history of inconsistency

we got the rough end of the pineapple.... again

For once we entirely agree, Joyce...

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

rubbish..if you pay very careful attention his right foot NEVER moves !!

Did he lean into the brace ? For sure..I would... Only a fool wouldnt.  Its what you might do if relative stationary against a someone moving into you

we're biased ???? pfffffffffft

You call it a brace. it's a bump. May  knows that berry is running straight at him. once the ball is hand passed May moves to his left and leans back to his right to hit berry. What do you call the difference between leaning forward to brace and a bump?  it's the same thing. no-one is arguing it wasnt a bump except for you and some demons fans.

4 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

You call it a brace. it's a bump. May  knows that berry is running straight at him. once the ball is hand passed May moves to his left and leans back to his right to hit berry. What do you call the difference between leaning forward to brace and a bump?  it's the same thing. no-one is arguing it wasnt a bump except for you and some demons fans.

Listen to your own description

Berry is running towards May

But it's May numbing Berry

See the problem with logic there ??

Bet most here can 

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Listen to your own description

Berry is running towards May

But it's May numbing Berry

See the problem with logic there ??

Bet most here can 

For those who can take off their red and blue glasses or their desire for self-flagellation, it looks like a bit of both.    Nevertheless, the 'logic' of the AFL and its Tribunal is unfathomable and the only thing we can be sure of is that they will be inconsistent as usual.

Round 1 can't get here quickly enough.

6 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Round 1 can't get here quickly enough.

Or Round 2, if you're May.

6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

I've just rewatched this 10 times. You need to watch it especially in real-time, not slo-mo. 

there really is not much in this, as shirt fronts go. under the rules the mrp are supposed to operate on, i can't agree that the contact can be graded as medium given there was no injury outcome

if the mrp is operating under new rules for contact grading they need to explain so but so far they haven't.

this is not a safe nor consistent ruling.........but not surprising based on the mrp's history of inconsistency

we got the rough end of the pineapple.... again

Agree Daisy and that is what I am upset about 

Michael Christian who is the MRP says it is Medium Impact BECAUSE the victim was hurt and couldn’t as a result come back on the ground.

We then appealed only the impact level arguing for low impact. The Lions agreed Berry was not concussed or injured and that the reason he didn’t return was purely based on minutes played in a practice game. 

That should have been it. Grading reduced to low and a fine but no,

For some  inexplicable reason the Tribunal substitutes the phrase “ it could have been worse “ to somehow mean it was medium impact. 

The appeal is then denied. 

This to me smacks of a pre determined outcome and is a disgrace.

The rest of the discussion about bracing, bumping, record etc is totally irrelevant.

If this was a final at stake we would be in Court and would win.  This process has been an absolute disgrace. 

Lastly if Berry was injured/ concussed I would happily accept the week. That is not the case and to my mind has been a disgraceful attempt at obtaining a result no matter what. 

The AFL Tribunal has acted shamefully IMO.

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by Redleg

3 hours ago, beelzebub said:

This had NOTHING to do with what actually happened

It has everything to do with a FAKERY...an act of deliberate manipulation of the MRP by the AFL. a desire to see a particular outcome irrelevant of the facts.

Facts were submitted....and ignored

if this was a criminal or indeed civil case...youd take it to the next level

Agree.

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree Daisy and that is what I am upset about 

Michael Christian who is the MRP says it is Medium Impact BECAUSE the victim was hurt and couldn’t as a result come back on the ground.

We then appealed only the impact level arguing for low impact. The Lions agreed Berry was not concussed or injured and that the reason he didn’t return was purely based on minutes played in a practice game. 

That should have been it. Grading reduced to low and a fine but no,

For some  inexplicable reason the Tribunal substitutes the phrase “ it could have been worse “ to somehow mean it was medium impact. 

The appeal is then denied. 

This to me smacks of a pre determined outcome and is a disgrace.

The rest of the discussion about bracing, bumping, record etc is totally irrelevant.

If this was a final at stake we would be in Court and would win.  This process has been an absolute disgrace. 

Lastly if Berry was injured/ concussed I would happily accept the week. That is not the case and to my mind has been a disgraceful attempt at obtaining a result no matter what. 

The AFL Tribunal has acted shamefully IMO.

you forgot the bit about it not being a good look - lol

but apparently mummies round arm to the head wasn't......go figure

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by daisycutter

Michael Christian is not the smartest guy on the block. 

I think that part of the reason for incompetency is often that the person/s are not very smart.  Causes confusion, poor logic and reasoning. If they were smart they would not be sitting on a footy tribunal. 

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Listen to your own description

Berry is running towards May

But it's May numbing Berry

See the problem with logic there ??

Bet most here can 

You can still bump despite not running into it. He had literally 1 step into the bump. maybe even half a step. it wasnt malicious but he chose to bump and got him high. 

this was an easy one for the mrp. 

Put yourself in Berry's position. He is running along gives the handball off and gets hit high. Yes he didnt have awareness but the moment May turned sideways and leant into him it was far more than a brace and the onus shifted to May to not get Berry high.

If you think it was a brace then we'll probably never agree. 

 

9 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I would rather the AFL and all clubs (and Demonland's posters) took a consistent line on concussion. 

Should May have been suspended under the current rules? I don't know. Should the rules be clear that a player should be suspended if he hits or bumps another player in an incident which is avoidable and might cause concussion (whether it did or not)?

Absolutely.

No.

Intent to maim, only.

28 minutes ago, Dr.D said:

You can still bump despite not running into it. He had literally 1 step into the bump. maybe even half a step. it wasnt malicious but he chose to bump and got him high. 

this was an easy one for the mrp. 

Put yourself in Berry's position. He is running along gives the handball off and gets hit high. Yes he didnt have awareness but the moment May turned sideways and leant into him it was far more than a brace and the onus shifted to May to not get Berry high.

If you think it was a brace then we'll probably never agree. 

 

The onus is on the offensive acting player, to not get the recipient player high.   And not leave the ground.  True

But the did not contact the head.  Chest and throat was all it was.  Which stunned the recipient.   Did not cause any loss of consciousness, and he did not hit head on the ground.

You have to brace for a hit/shirtfront...   Bracing is not the problem here.

 

How much of this is payback from the Lions Doc...  for Mays hit on Steph Martin,  years back.?

The recipient player wanted to keep playing,  but the Doc didn't allow it...  and took him from the field.

 

 

i wonder what May is feeling right now?

Probably relief that Watts won't get the chance to take him apart.

1 minute ago, Neil Crompton said:

i wonder what May is feeling right now?

Probably relief that Watts won't get the chance to take him apart.

May would eat Watts

28 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

i wonder what May is feeling right now?

 

I hope he is feeling gutted but most of all disappointed he has let the club down. A club that has spent big coin and a high draft pick to get him to our club.

It was always going to get reviewed. High impact was a tough call and I thought there was a 50-50 chance we would get it downgraded to low impact and a fine (note: there seems to be confusion - some seem to think we were arguing he was innocent. We accepted his guilt).

I understand people being frustrated with the system, particularly in regard to the inconsistencies. I share that frustration. Though I have laugh at suggestions it's somehow orchestrated by the AFL and the dees are victims of a conspiracy (if it was gws blah blah). I mean come on. 

But personally I'm [censored] off at may. None of the tribunal palaver comes into play if he engages his brain. It's of course not a hanging offence but we got him for precisely the sort of big forward line we come up against in round one. And it is a game of very small margins as the dees no full well. A loss might have huge ramifications.

I hope those that give him a pass for his stupidity don't bag omac if he gets out muscled by one of their bigs.

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by binman

1 hour ago, Dr.D said:

You can still bump despite not running into it. He had literally 1 step into the bump. maybe even half a step. it wasnt malicious but he chose to bump and got him high. 

this was an easy one for the mrp. 

Put yourself in Berry's position. He is running along gives the handball off and gets hit high. Yes he didnt have awareness but the moment May turned sideways and leant into him it was far more than a brace and the onus shifted to May to not get Berry high.

If you think it was a brace then we'll probably never agree. 

 

It still begs the f.....g question: wtf was May supposed to do?????Look at it again in real time.

28 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

May would eat Watts

Pity he put himself in a situation where he won't get the chance.

9 minutes ago, dieter said:

It still begs the f.....g question: wtf was May supposed to do?????Look at it again in real time.

C'mon deiter you can't be serious. He bumped him. He could have simply braced and protected himself and the result would have been almost exactly the same. With one small difference.

He. Would. Not. Have. Been. Reported.

Someone (apologies I can't remember who) made the excellent analogy that it was like a hard screen in basketball- the type that leads to a foul - where you lean into it and give the player a sold bump. As opposed to bracing and standing your ground - which is legal if you are not moving.

May put a very hard and deliberate block on berry. And unfortunately for all concerned hit his chin. As soon as he did so he was gonski. Again the club acknowledged that. If he didn't put the extra in they would have argued he was innocent.

Edited March 13, 20196 yr by binman

Binman, I'm sure May now does feel remorse for what has happened, despite my previous light hearted comment. 

But what's done is done, and all the chat in the world won't change the outcome unfortunately.

Personally, if that's the worst thing that happens to Melbourne this year i'll be a happy man.

As Wiseblood said earlier "Round 1 can't get here quickly enough"

41 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

May would eat Watts

And Watts would inhale icing sugar off May's norks. Good times. But we're talking about on the field.