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  On 16/10/2018 at 10:32, Cards13 said:

Seriously how the f. K does it take them so long?! I’ve seen 10s of $m of contracts agreed and signed in less time every year. 

They probably get paid by the hour.

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:32, Cards13 said:

    Seriously how the f. K does it take them so long?! I’ve seen 10s of $m of contracts agreed and signed in less time every year. 

    I believe that the trades have been agreed to but the AFL does not want the public to know because they want the info to be announced on the TV 'spectacular'.

    Must have some sort of deal with Fox to make the broadcast a blockbuster.

    This makes me sick if  true.

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:39, olisik said:

    So out Hogan Kent Tyson

    In: May, KK, Preuss, 23, 62, 65

    How many list spots does that leave us with? How many draft picks will we need to take?

    If the believed trade eventuates...

    Still leaves 8 spots by my calculations?

    Out: Hogan, Kent, Tyson, Vince, Pederson, Johnston, Bugg, King, Filipovic, Balic, McKenna.

    In: May, Kolodjashnij, Preuss.

    Edited by Beetle

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    KK is pick 50 plus so please don't include him in the trade talk.

    Like Kent he's a simple peripheral trade

    Might make some feel better but it's not a factor

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      On 16/10/2018 at 07:11, MadAsHell said:

    HOW TOMORROW WILL PLAY OUT:

    Brisbane trade Beams, Pick 32 & 55 to Collingwood for Pick 18 & Future 1st Rd Pick.

    Brisbane trade Pick 5 & 18 to Melbourne.

    Melbourne trade Hogan & Pick 36 to Fremantle.

    Fremantle trade Neale & Pick 30 to Brisbane 

    Melbourne trade Pick 5 & Future 3rd Rd Pick to Gold Coast for May & KK

    This means Bellend can trade Pick 11 & 23 to GWS for Lobb & Pick 14.

    West Coast trade Picks 20 & 22 to GWS for Picks 11 & 47

    West Coast trade Pick 11 to Geelong for Kelly.

    Bombers trade Pick 9 & Future 2nd Rd Pick to GWS for Shiel & Future 4th Rd Pick ($cully trade).

    Am I missing anything/anyone???

     

    @Mach5

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:26, radar said:

    What’s the back six look like now?

    hard to find spot for KK. 

    Jetta OMac Salem

    Hibberd May Lever

     

    Lewis/KK/Hunt/Frost

    Salem could fluctuate on the ball/Half back.

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:47, Beetle said:

    If the believed trade eventuates...

    Still leaves 8 spots by my calculations?

    Out: Hogan, Kent, Tyson, Vince, Pederson, Johnston, Bugg, King, Filipovic, Balic, McKenna.

    In: May, Kolodjashnij, Preuss.

    Jesus we are going to be taking picks in the 60s

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    I expect we probably are having a look at a few Delisted Free Agents if we need 8 players.

     

    Purely for depth purposes only, I wouldn't be adverse to having some players like Sam Gibson, Tom Bell, Jackson Merrett, Cory Gregson, Nathan Freeman. Guys that can come in and play a role if we are struck bad by injuries.

     

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-list-changes-every-player-who-has-retired-or-been-delisted-in-2018/news-story/edfcb8470efd9dc61d0c50a89926e3e5 list can be found here if people want to have peruse!

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:47, skills32 said:

    I believe that the trades have been agreed to but the AFL does not want the public to know because they want the info to be announced on the TV 'spectacular'.

    Must have some sort of deal with Fox to make the broadcast a blockbuster.

    This makes me sick if  true.

    If the conspiracy theory you’ve dreamed up makes you feel sick, maybe stop thinking about it for a little while?

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:28, Rod Grinter Riot Squad said:

    I thought, if anything, we got Lever for unders, but that is my opinion, both clubs seem happy.

     

    if we get 5 and 23 for Hogan, fair deal IMO, better that 10&13, which are two first round picks

    If I recall we offered our first and a second, but then changed to two firsts.

    for hogan, I really don’t see how we can’t command pick 5 plus next years first. We should be getting the best deal instead of whatever we can get just to get another deal done. It seems .. wrong.

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    Whilst all this is happening the hawks have secured our former number 1, along with Wingard ... add another early pick in Omera & Mitchel ..  a team that’s won 3 flags & finished top 4 this year 

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:50, Diamond_Jim said:

    KK is pick 50 plus so please don't include him in the trade talk.

    Kolodjashnij is a good player who is young, played good footy and already played 78 games. While a deal wouldn't be difficult to do, he's more than steak knives. 

    Effectively the proposed deal would be, for us, Hogan for May, 23 and whatever pick KK is worth (probably a late second rounder, IMO). 

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      On 16/10/2018 at 10:32, Cards13 said:

    Seriously how the f. K does it take them so long?! I’ve seen 10s of $m of contracts agreed and signed in less time every year. 

    Read the Naill article.

    It's about 8 teams involved and no team wants to be the first to accept a deal when there's so many moving parts. 

    The only currency teams have are draft picks (including restricted future picks), players and occasionally paying a percentage of contracts for other teams. A huge business deal would rarely feature so many independent and competing companies and they'd be able to offer different forms of compensation as well as bonuses, penalties etc.

    At the moment it looks like Brisbane won't move until they're happy with the Beams deal. Freo won't move until they've got the Neale deal sorted, after which they deal with Port so that they can work out deals with GWS and Melbourne. Port are involved with Gold Coast, Hawthorn and Freo and then Melbourne can deal with GC. The bones of the deals might be lined up but then Port might feel they are being slightly undervalued so might ask Freo for a little more, who then might get that little more from Gold coast who then might pass it on to us.

    Suddenly a team asks for pick 25 instead of pick 20 and then all of a sudden that pick 20 which was going to be used in the next 3 deals doesn't exist any more and it's back to the drawing board.  

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:07, Hogan2014 said:

    Whilst all this is happening the hawks have secured our former number 1, along with Wingard ... add another early pick in Omera & Mitchel ..  a team that’s won 3 flags & finished top 4 this year 

    God I hate them. 

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:08, Axis of Bob said:

    Kolodjashnij is a good player who is young, played good footy and already played 78 games. While a deal wouldn't be difficult to do, he's more than steak knives. 

    Effectively the proposed deal would be, for us, Hogan for May, 23 and whatever pick KK is worth (probably a late second rounder, IMO). 

    come on... he's a fourth rounder

    have a look at the Scully deal if you want a baseline

     

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    I’m hoping we’re pushing for one more pick from Freo. I don’t know if they have it available but I would be asking for next years second rounder as well. 

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:07, Hogan2014 said:

    Whilst all this is happening the hawks have secured our former number 1, along with Wingard ... add another early pick in Omera & Mitchel ..  a team that’s won 3 flags & finished top 4 this year 

    Scully's ankle is [censored] and Wingard is a downhill skier. 

    Plus they are losing Burton who is a very promising young gun. Had a poor season this year but was a gun in 2017.

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:09, Diamond_Jim said:

    come on... he's a fourth rounder

    have a look at the Scully deal if you want a baseline

     

    What, an injured player who is a massive risk with a giant contract that his previous team is happy to shift? 

    Apples and oranges.

    KK is young, talented and is entering the productive part of his AFL career. 

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:09, Pates said:

    God I hate them. 

    Whilst some risks are there as we saw with Omera who continues to have knee & Scully ankle ..  I can just see them winning a flag before we do.

    hate them yes as mental scares from 87 prelim & 88 gf 

     

     

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    It’s [censored] how Hawks don’t need to take first round draft picks. And when they do they just trade them out (Burton).

     

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      On 16/10/2018 at 11:11, Collar-Jazz-Knee said:

    Scully's ankle is [censored] and Wingard is a downhill skier. 

    Plus they are losing Burton who is a very promising young gun. Had a poor season this year but was a gun in 2017.

    Watch them win a flag before we do 

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