Farewell Jesse Hogan

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4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

 

LOL.

Methinks someone from the Purple Haze has been feeding a media troll in preparation for a lowball offer!

Sit tight folks, this one’s going to drag out for a bit. Patience.

That’s how I’m reading it. You don’t offer a guy huge dollars, have a 4 hour tour and then lose interest. Especially if you’ve chased that guy for years 

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50 minutes ago, SFebes said:

Seems to me this trade period is going to be a fizzer. Too many clubs have to do the first deal for the rest of the clubs dominoes to fall. Too much water to go under the bridge. Neale, Lobb, May, Hogan, Wingard etc need one to drop before the rest take shape. First day of trade period and everyone sounds like they're still deciding.

Very true, let 'em drop now, please Guardian Angel of the MFC supporter mass. It all seems to be in the hands of the players trading themselves for accolades.

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52 minutes ago, Dirts said:

I think he when for a pee.

Did he use his staggered run-up?

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18 minutes ago, Patches O’houlihan said:

That’s how I’m reading it. You don’t offer a guy huge dollars, have a 4 hour tour and then lose interest. Especially if you’ve chased that guy for years 

They want to pay one early first rounder. Our asking price is two. Let the games begin.

The laughable four hour ‘tour of the facilities’ was a deliberate ploy by Freo to make Melbourne feel utterly resigned to losing Jesse. Everything they’re doing in fact is designed to press us down on price.

Josh M. just needs to go in there, shake hands and say “picks 4 & 5 or we sell him to West Coast next year, cheers boys.” Then head out for a coffee with Goody and relax. Don’t flinch, don’t blink.

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5 minutes ago, Lord Neville X Flash said:

Hogan a likely multiple coleman medallist, no chance he goes back

I think something's gotta give. 

The club obviously sees the need to add a big bodied defender to the line-up if we're looking to hand over a first round pick for May.  McDonald, Weideman and Hogan (with possibly a resting ruckman) is a very, very tall forward line.  In regards to a pure, goal kicking forward - I'd take McDonald over Hogan. 

Coleman medalists very rarely win you a flag - be done 4 times since 1990.  Jesse has the capability to be McGovern-like down back and, IMHO, is worth a look.

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59 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Until the Lachie Neale deal is done I don't expect we'll hear any news regarding Jesse Hogan.

This is what it is all waiting on.

How can anything possibly be announced until both clubs know what they have to deal with?

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can someone send me a message when something happens ?  save me looking all week ?

 

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Peter Bell on trade radio now.

”A lot of complicating factors” regarding Jesse Hogan coming to Fremantle. “No more to comment”.

Will you accept pick 4 for Lachie Neale? “No comment”.

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Can someone clarify what actually happened when Hogan toured Cockburn?

It was four hours long but there has been some reports that have mentioned a ‘medical’ taking place amongst it. 

I would imagine that given Hogan’s Navicular diagnosis, Freo would get any updated scans done and also request from MFC the injury history (or is it all on them to deduce the status) before coming back to MFC with any confirmed interest.

I’ve got an unnerving feeling that Hogan’s foot injury is the bottleneck in trade negotiations at the moment. 

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2 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Can someone clarify what actually happened when Hogan toured Cockburn?

It was four hours long but there has been some reports that have mentioned a ‘medical’ taking place amongst it. 

I would imagine that given Hogan’s Navicular diagnosis, Freo would get any updated scans done and also request from MFC the injury history (or is it all on them to deduce the status) before coming back to MFC with any confirmed interest.

I’ve got an unnerving feeling that Hogan’s foot injury is the bottleneck in trade negotiations at the moment. 

The bottleneck as someone said earlier is the Neale trade to Brisbane. There will be no movement on Hogan until that trade is clarified.

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The HeraldSun have an article online “What’s Jesse Hogan worth?” 

 

This is the gist.

 

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There is an element of buyer beware with Hogan, however, given he has a long history of injury and illness that would be of concern. Plus there are the attitude issues with his body language and negativity that have been well-documented.

I don’t think he’s worth two first-round picks. I place his trade value at an early first-round pick and maybe a swap of second-round picks, but those injury and performance issues impact the Demons’ ability to get a sweetener.

 

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Buckenara says that Hogan isn't worth two first round picks, more like an early first rounder (eg. Pick 4 or 5) and a swap of second round picks.

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9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

This is the gist

 

Thanks DC. Which journo wrote it?

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9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Buckenara says that Hogan isn't worth two first round picks, more like an early first rounder (eg. Pick 4 or 5) and a swap of second round picks.

Buckenara hasn't been relevant in AFL for around a decade... 

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9 hours ago, daisycutter said:

This is the gist

 

That is not without some reasoned foundation. Not that many here will agree.

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11 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Peter Bell on trade radio now.

”A lot of complicating factors” regarding Jesse Hogan coming to Fremantle. “No more to comment”.

Will you accept pick 4 for Lachie Neale? “No comment”.

Peter Bell is a [censored] and clubs will hate dealing with him

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4 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

The bottleneck as someone said earlier is the Neale trade to Brisbane. There will be no movement on Hogan until that trade is clarified.

Not fact, just another opinion really. 

I’m keen to know if a medical was completed.

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21 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think something's gotta give. 

The club obviously sees the need to add a big bodied defender to the line-up if we're looking to hand over a first round pick for May.  McDonald, Weideman and Hogan (with possibly a resting ruckman) is a very, very tall forward line.  In regards to a pure, goal kicking forward - I'd take McDonald over Hogan. 

Coleman medalists very rarely win you a flag - be done 4 times since 1990.  Jesse has the capability to be McGovern-like down back and, IMHO, is worth a look.

I think it's a myth we struggle down back, we were fine against Geelong and Hawthorn in the finals, and suffered when we turned the ball over in the middle of the ground v west coast.

PLUS, Our best and most important defender in Lever was out.

I think the combo of Lever/Omac, or Lever/Frost, or even Lever/Frost/Omac is good enough to win a flag.

If anyone of Tmac, Hogan or Weed was going back, it would surely be Weed as he is the least valuable forward

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Just now, drdrake said:

Peter Bell is a [censored] and clubs will hate dealing with him

He's a professional...it's ok that this stuff isn't for public consumption. 

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9 hours ago, Wiseblood said:

Buckenara says that Hogan isn't worth two first round picks, more like an early first rounder (eg. Pick 4 or 5) and a swap of second round picks.

Thanks.

What these analyses fail to acknowledge is the intangible of the level of desperation on the part of the buyer. It’s a bull market as far as we’re concerned for Hogan.

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8 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

That is not without some reasoned foundation. Not that many here will agree.

I suppose that is why I say just roll the dice and keep him.

At one low pick vs one four or five higher at most next year the value he gives (both money wise and performance) outweighs a trade now.

Would think that while May is a like to have he's not a must have.

If he does stay it gives us the ability to use the spare $500k to pump into a forward loaded contract extension for the junior brigade such as Brayshaw, Oliver and Petracca. Every cloud has a silver lining.

As you know I am very big on trading Hogan for value as I think he is a player with high worth whom we are best at covering. Frankly very surprised by Freo trying the low ball but que sera sera

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Rory Lobb has announced he wants to be traded to the Dockers.  No trade done yet.

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9 hours ago, EnterTheDragon said:

Thanks.

What these analyses fail to acknowledge is the intangible of the level of desperation on the part of the buyer. It’s a bull market as far as we’re concerned for Hogan.

You know more about football than me, but there's desperate, and then there's desperate.

Like, Yes we're desperate but not stupid (or that desperate) and then there's "here have 4 and 5 desperate".

Obviously too, we're not privy to what's going on at close quarters so perhaps these an insane third level of desperation.

9 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Rory Lobb has announced he wants to be traded to the Dockers.  No trade done yet.

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28 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Can someone clarify what actually happened when Hogan toured Cockburn?

It was four hours long but there has been some reports that have mentioned a ‘medical’ taking place amongst it. 

I would imagine that given Hogan’s Navicular diagnosis, Freo would get any updated scans done and also request from MFC the injury history (or is it all on them to deduce the status) before coming back to MFC with any confirmed interest.

I’ve got an unnerving feeling that Hogan’s foot injury is the bottleneck in trade negotiations at the moment. 

This is the google search results for a story on Jesse's dockers visit.

Lachie Neale has requested a trade to Brisbane, AFL trade news 2018 ...

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/...is.../cc1bca44ef5be7340afd68c48b5c35db

23 hours ago - Neale, 25, also won in 2016 and was runner-up last season. The inside ... Rosich also said specialists were still assessing Hogan's foot injury

 

I can't get behind the paywall so others may report more detail. Or perhaps a Perth newspaper has the same transcript.

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46 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I think something's gotta give. 

The club obviously sees the need to add a big bodied defender to the line-up if we're looking to hand over a first round pick for May.  McDonald, Weideman and Hogan (with possibly a resting ruckman) is a very, very tall forward line.  In regards to a pure, goal kicking forward - I'd take McDonald over Hogan. 

Coleman medalists very rarely win you a flag - be done 4 times since 1990.  Jesse has the capability to be McGovern-like down back and, IMHO, is worth a look.

...and with his aerobic capacity, be able to run down and fatigue opposition forwards, stars included...