On 29/09/2018 at 08:23, spirit of norm smith said:

Yes Hogan was a Melbourne player. Our messiah.   Big key forward described as the next Wayne Carey. 

Injuries and the go home factor mean we may not see his best in red and blue. 

MFC NEEDS TO MAKE FREO PAY TOP DOLLAR BOTH IN CONTRACT $$$ PLUS TWO FIRST ROUND PICKS

... see how this sort of talk Re our new kids, is damaging their mindsets.  Talking of them like they're super-heroes, before they've even earn't a disposal the hard way.

  On 29/09/2018 at 08:54, Frustrated Demon said:

He has been trolling this post with a few comments

I know , sorry it hit a nerve , i know way too much about cancer and this 

  On 29/09/2018 at 07:33, Diamond_Jim said:

6 and say 16 for Kelly... where do we sign !!

 

  On 29/09/2018 at 07:45, A F said:

That's the guy I'd be going for. I'd take Shiel of course, but not for a mill. Whereas, Kelly might be worth that. 

I know it won't be a popular call but I would prefer Cerra.

Huge upside, complete package.

Won't cost as much at the moment and could form part of the Hogan trade.

Love his overhead marking which makes him more dangerous in my humble opinion.

Get in his ear and convince Freo that he wants back home after his next contract.

  On 29/09/2018 at 09:04, rjay said:

 

I know it won't be a popular call but I would prefer Cerra.

Huge upside, complete package.

Won't cost as much at the moment and could form part of the Hogan trade.

Love his overhead marking which makes him more dangerous in my humble opinion.

Get in his ear and convince Freo that he wants back home after his next contract.

Agreed. I’d take cerra and a pick for hogan in a heart beat. 

@Ugottobekidding is clearly a troll. People get sucked in very easily.

So I watched the GF and then had dinner and a few beers. Did I miss much on this thread?

Seems we're making some progress...

SHOCK & DENIAL - complete

PAIN & GUILT - complete

ANGER & BARGAINING - here we are 

.....

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by Graeme Yeats' Mullet

I was hoping this would happen last year but this year is ok. I have never seen a player that looked less like he belongs in a footballing family. Forget his stats, we play better without him. Whatever we get for him will be better than what we have now.

  On 29/09/2018 at 08:55, SFebes said:

I'm with you.

5/6 & 10 plus swap of picks.

10 to GC for May & Kolodjashnij (GC has said to look elsewhere)

6, 33 & future 1st for Kelly (plus whatever it takes)

In: May, Kolodjashnij, Kelly, (Gaff).

Out: Hogan

Possible but unlikely: Gaff

 

At the start of the year Mahoney said we have room for 2 more upgraders, with the departure of Hogan, I think we are going to swoop hard in the next few weeks, it's game on!

Also, I'm happy to discuss stats and players, but don't disrespect Jesse wanting to go home after what he's been through, I probably would've left last year. He just never got a decent run at it and us going deep into finals was obviously the icing on his cake. The players we bring in will be the foundation of our premiership tilt.

I just has to be in that range. 

No ill will toward Jesse, good luck to him, he's worth a certain amount on the trade table, business is business just get the job done MFC.

If the trades that are being mooted get done, this will be the best bit of trade business conducted by an individual club in the history of the comp.

The JFK 1 year contract extension more than softens the blow for the impeding Hogan departure.

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:09, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The JFK 1 year contract extension more than softens the blow for the impeding Hogan departure.

John F. Kennedy is becoming one of the greatest players Melbourne never had!

  On 29/09/2018 at 03:08, Sir Why You Little said:

I don't think we win the flag in 2019 with a defence that includes Frost and McDonald.  A defence that includes May and McDonald is much better equipped to take that next level. 

Agree with your first sentence, SWYL. Frosty was put there to back and assist OMac who was very slow, unreliable to chase, errant with his sense of DEFENCE, territory and last line of defence. He is too light for words as a backman, as well. The second sentence reads much better IMO if you said: A defence that includes May and Frost is much better equipped to take that next level.I think this way because Frost has made rapid and game-winning back-up to OMac and his 'assistance' has been largely self-propelling and very dynamic to what a fullback is supposed to bring to the game. He will blend with May, Lever, Hibberd, Nev, Salem and Kolliejazzknee very naturally and add further drive and penetration to that mix - but needs some individual work to turn his hands into vices to mark more assuredly and continue to read the plays defensively and in rebound. Most of this has been achieved and it is characterised by his new-found strength, speed and delivery. 

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:10, Wiseblood said:

John F. Kennedy is becoming one of the greatest players Melbourne never had!

Cut down in his prime, could have been anything really. We will never know. 

Still think we'll end up with Pick 6 & a future first rounder.

Pick 6 along with Garlett & future 3rd round pick gets us May, KK and rights to a VFL player (Lockhart). Gives us 2 first rounders the following year to either offer up for trade for Kelly or take to the draft.

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:21, Earl Hood said:

Cut down in his prime, could have been anything really. We will never know. 

could have been bigger than carey, earl

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:38, daisycutter said:

could have been bigger than carey, earl

Well yes if he stood on the grassy knoll I suppose. But then that knoll was chock full of Mafia, FBI, CIA, KKK and Cuban Operatives as I remember. Very crowded at the time. 

Edited September 29, 20186 yr by Earl Hood

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:21, Earl Hood said:

Cut down in his prime, could have been anything really. We will never know. 

His younger brother never even got a chance to play at the highest level, and I hear he was even more talented.

All players have them but Jesse's particular flaws are unfortunate in terms of our game plan and personnel. 

Can't kick from distance. 

Lack of forward defensive pressure.

Slow to move it on by foot.

Limited pack-marking ability. 

That said, he is a highly talented forward with fantastic aerobic capacity who can also run the wings/pinch in the middle. Good-to-middling accuracy and decent on the lead. Still also developing. Will be a great get for Freo in the long-run if they build around him. 

But with our high pressure forward press and fast and contested 'move-it-forward' game-plan (including long bombs from the centre - tsk tsk) he is already the awkward fit. We don't need him in the middle, and on the spread of the above-mentioned good and bad traits, Tommy has him covered on several of the pro elements and Weid looks set to be better in one or two.

In conjunction, our forwards (and mid-field) have all the required combined traits that Jesse brings - as evidenced by our ability to keep winning without him in the line-up.  From a supporters perspective, I think this awareness is already apparent in the relative calm which followed his injury in the lead-up to our finals push and campaign.  We can manage without him. 

From a footy department perspective, I think this mind-set will be evidenced by us not actually chasing a key forward replacement. The otherwise confusing inclusion of Preuss suggests we're looking to re-balance our spread of key forward traits - with Preuss as an intended upgrade on Pedo - who was also stuck in the middle of personal attributes and team requirements. 

Add the fact that this is our big chance to capitalise in trade cookies at the same time as putting the 'will-he-won't-he' disruption to rest, and we're about to come way out on top - plugging some required holes such as with the inclusion of May and not giving up too much as to needs. I personally believe that this will be the lucky forced hand which delivers us a premiership. 

 

 

  On 29/09/2018 at 08:28, JTR said:

Let's not start ragging on Hogan and getting into the "he was no good anyway" stuff like always seems to happen when a player looks like they are leaving us.

Why not. Reframing and denial are well established defence mechanisms.

  On 29/09/2018 at 01:56, daisycutter said:

well he certainly ain't going to heave-ho to win a premiership

Big statement that might  come back and bite you in the rrrr's

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:50, Little Goffy said:

His younger brother never even got a chance to play at the highest level, and I hear he was even more talented.

Couldn’t get a good run at it really, shot down with career ending injuries 

  On 29/09/2018 at 11:08, skills32 said:

Big statement that might  come back and bite you in the rrrr's

Nah no chance.

Freo will not even play Finals for the next 5 years let alone Win the comp.Id be very confident in saying he will never grace the MCG for the decider

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:54, Skuit said:

All players have them but Jesse's particular flaws are unfortunate in terms of our game plan and personnel. 

Can't kick from distance. 

Lack of forward defensive pressure.

Slow to move it on by foot.

Limited pack-marking ability. 

That said, he is a highly talented forward with fantastic aerobic capacity who can also run the wings/pinch in the middle. Good-to-middling accuracy and decent on the lead. Still also developing. Will be a great get for Freo in the long-run if they build around him. 

But with our high pressure forward press and fast and contested 'move-it-forward' game-plan (including long bombs from the centre - tsk tsk) he is already the awkward fit. We don't need him in the middle, and on the spread of the above-mentioned good and bad traits, Tommy has him covered on several of the pro elements and Weid looks set to be better in one or two.

In conjunction, our forwards (and mid-field) have all the required combined traits that Jesse brings - as evidenced by our ability to keep winning without him in the line-up.  From a supporters perspective, I think this awareness is already apparent in the relative calm which followed his injury in the lead-up to our finals push and campaign.  We can manage without him. 

From a footy department perspective, I think this mind-set will be evidenced by us not actually chasing a key forward replacement. The otherwise confusing inclusion of Preuss suggests we're looking to re-balance our spread of key forward traits - with Preuss as an intended upgrade on Pedo - who was also stuck in the middle of personal attributes and team requirements. 

Add the fact that this is our big chance to capitalise in trade cookies at the same time as putting the 'will-he-won't-he' disruption to rest, and we're about to come way out on top - plugging some required holes such as with the inclusion of May and not giving up too much as to needs. I personally believe that this will be the lucky forced hand which delivers us a premiership. 

 

 

Took the words right out of my mouth. Hogan does not fit into our game plan- especially up field. His reaction time is too slow.

 

  On 29/09/2018 at 11:15, Demon from Sydney said:

Nah no chance.

Freo will not even play Finals for the next 5 years let alone Win the comp.Id be very confident in saying he will never grace the MCG for the decider

They would have won a lot more games this year with a decent marking FF; that's why they are so into Jesse. Another dangerous prediction.

  On 29/09/2018 at 10:09, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The JFK 1 year contract extension more than softens the blow for the impeding Hogan departure.

FM don't know how a scared in headlights type player like JKH could ever fill the void of a power forward with a huge tank like Hogan.