On 26/09/2018 at 04:16, Sir Why You Little said:

The Weid is a more natural forward than Hogan. 

He will work hard over summer

Come back to me when he kicks 40 plus goals in 3 out of 4 seasons.

I agree that Hogan is more a CHF than a stay at home FF but to me citing the Weid in this story is folly. 

Weid could be absolutely anything and absolutely nothing - the jury is definitely still out on him.

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:33, nutbean said:

Come back to me when he kicks 40 plus goals in 3 out of 4 seasons.

I agree that Hogan is more a CHF than a stay at home FF but to me citing the Weid in this story is folly. 

Weid could be absolutely anything and absolutely nothing - the jury is definitely still out on him.

If he stays fit the Weid will be a goal Kicker....

  On 26/09/2018 at 04:16, Sir Why You Little said:

The Weid is a more natural forward than Hogan. 

He will work hard over summer

Madness.......

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:36, Sir Why You Little said:

If Weid kicks goals he will be a goal Kicker....

fixed...

(Don't get me wrong - I like what I am seeing with Weid but he is still a work in progress - Hogan kicked goals from the first game he played. If I could only have Hogan or Weid for the next 10 years, based on the current body of work - it would be a no brainer)

 

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:40, nutbean said:

fixed...

(Don't get me wrong - I like what I am seeing with Weid but he is still a work in progress - Hogan kicked goals from the first game he played. If I could only have Hogan or Weid for the next 10 years, based on the current body of work - it would be a no brainer)

 

If Hogan signed with MFC tomorrow we would probably be offering Weideman this year or next for a first rounder plus.

In this day and age you simply can't carry, game or salary cap wise, three key forwards.

Hogan not signing practically decided for us what may have been a difficult choice.

If you want to see what salary cap does to an unbalanced list have a look at GWS. They had planned for a premiership last year and this year. Now they look like having to unload Scully, Sheils and Lobb to ameliorate their salary cap issues.

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:05, dazzledavey36 said:

Viney only had 2 years in SA mate.

Spent majority of his childhood just up the road from me in Moama along the Murray river where Toddy was coaching the seniors.

Good spot Moama, a mate of mine owned Wimbi holiday resort there for about 6 years.

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:40, nutbean said:

fixed...

(Don't get me wrong - I like what I am seeing with Weid but he is still a work in progress - Hogan kicked goals from the first game he played. If I could only have Hogan or Weid for the next 10 years, based on the current body of work - it would be a no brainer)

 

Can't we still have that ? All this talk of Hogan being traded seems crazy - he has far more scope to be a dominant player over the next 5 to 7 years than Weid does imo

I really don't understand why he would want to leave he's going to make plenty of money either way and the future looks much brighter at MFC than the Shockers in the next few years

Is there actually any quotes from either Hogan’s camp or the Dee’s camp? Or is it one of those classic “it’s believed that hogan is up for a trade” lines.

  On 26/09/2018 at 06:14, Pipefitter said:

Is there actually any quotes from either Hogan’s camp or the Dee’s camp? Or is it one of those classic “it’s believed that hogan is up for a trade” lines.

Melbourne people not officially from the club are saying it’s not Melbourne driving this so it sounds like it’s not as though we are offering him up, he has said he’s open to a move if a deal can be done. 

  On 26/09/2018 at 06:33, Patches O’houlihan said:

Melbourne people not officially from the club are saying it’s not Melbourne driving this so it sounds like it’s not as though we are offering him up, he has said he’s open to a move if a deal can be done. 

The fact that neither camp has said anything says it’s at least a serious chance but the wording of him being open to trade indicates it’s not like he’ll be unhappy at Melbourne, more than he’s feeling a pull back home and that if it can be done then the time might be right. 

FWIW regarding Weid as our back up plan, very dangerous game to play. Don’t get me wrong him having a breakout game vs Geelong was very pleasing and at least showed he has the attributes to make it. But there’s still a lot of development to go in him before he’s a consistent AFL forward. The idea of him being a third folly to TMac and Jesse (yes I think we can work with all three of them in the team) is salivating. 

It's been one of those days where the pollution from yesterday has lingered around and little else has been said.

Don't forget the pollution started with Greg " makes it up as he goes venom " Denom

  On 26/09/2018 at 06:33, Patches O’houlihan said:

Melbourne people not officially from the club are saying it’s not Melbourne driving this so it sounds like it’s not as though we are offering him up, he has said he’s open to a move if a deal can be done. 

Should be in the drivers seat on this one either way ,shouldn’t we?

Hogan  has apparently said he’s open to the idea “if” a trade can be worked out ( think they may have left out the word “suitable”).

If a suitable deal ( suitable to us) can’t be worked out , that’s  fine,   Hogan will always be embraced by the supporters if what’s offered isn’t suitable or fair and we just match the offer and move on.

If as suggested, Freo really want him, figure out a way for two low draft picks (Not one cent less)and we can all move on. If not, it’s no deal and Hoges will still have a great career with us.

Isnt this the way this stuff is supposed to work?

 

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:53, Diamond_Jim said:

If Hogan signed with MFC tomorrow we would probably be offering Weideman this year or next for a first rounder plus.

In this day and age you simply can't carry, game or salary cap wise, three key forwards.

Hogan not signing practically decided for us what may have been a difficult choice.

If you want to see what salary cap does to an unbalanced list have a look at GWS. They had planned for a premiership last year and this year. Now they look like having to unload Scully, Sheils and Lobb to ameliorate their salary cap issues.

If Hogan stays, we can play Hogan and Weid as key forwards, shift TMac down back to be the big key defender. He's basically the same size as May if not slightly bigger. We then have flexibility to shift TMac forward when required or Hogan up the ground.

could be drummed up to prompted a larger contract extension from Melbourne.

I suspect we will hear otherwise in fhe next 24-48 hours. Either it was be confirmed or he will flat out deny it. I'm guessing the former.

Edited September 26, 20186 yr by praha

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:01, Dr. Gonzo said:

If Hogan stays, we can play Hogan and Weid as key forwards, shift TMac down back to be the big key defender. He's basically the same size as May if not slightly bigger. We then have flexibility to shift TMac forward when required or Hogan up the ground.

I’m not too sure about TMac down back. But Hogan is versatile enough to play in a number of positions including CHB (where he’s played in his junior days). Keeping Hogan gives us more flexibility than letting him go. At his best the kid’s a beast - a beast with real talent. And they don’t grow on trees. And he could bite us in the bum playing for another team.

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:14, praha said:

could be drummed up to prompted a larger contract extension from Melbourne.

If he stays, it would only make sense in the context of him also extending his contract past the end of next season, which presumably is something that's coming into consideration on all sides.

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:17, Dee Dee said:

I’m not too sure about TMac down back. 

The problem with T Mac down back is his disposal and decision-making. When all he has in front of him is goalposts, it gets much simpler.

Wasn't that long ago, the last time talk of Hogan leaving went ballistic, that I speculated that maybe Gaff and a good first round pick would do the job.

Now, Gaff has become a free agent, Hogan leaving would open the salary cap space to grab him, and we'd realistically get two first round picks from the trade.

Swings and roundabouts.

I still hope Hogan stays and I think the three-tall forward line can work (Haaaa ha ha with Hogan playing the role previously held by Watts... sorry, I just said that to annoy people) given the versatility of all three.

What I picture is a kind of 2xCHF set up, with the 3rd 'slot' being filled by the variations of Weid in the ruck, Hogan up the ground, McDonald pinching (only occasionally) in defence, and a true traditional stay-at-home FF - in a sense, a forward 'resting' even more forward! Between the double-CHF and those four variations you get 3 players on the ground close to 100% of game time, using that 'rest' in the goal square, cycling between the three as needed.

I think the benefit of each tall adding an extra 10-15% of game time on field works out in as much as you can then give that '30-45%' to help the midfield rotations stay fresh.

I also think, given our haphazard inside-50s, there is real value in having three clear options going on at all times - a CHF 'travelling' out to offer a link up the ground, a CHF staying roughly around that traditional zone, and a FF ready to attack the emergency long kick.

 

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:40, nutbean said:

fixed...

(Don't get me wrong - I like what I am seeing with Weid but he is still a work in progress - Hogan kicked goals from the first game he played. If I could only have Hogan or Weid for the next 10 years, based on the current body of work - it would be a no brainer)

 

No need to “Fix” what i stated

Fremantle will get Hogan, this year or next in my opinion. The Weid will be fine. We just have to make sure we get A Grade Compensation for Jesse’s worth, which i am sure he would want. 

I have said before, i would play him off half back next season if he is with us. T Mac and the Weid, with Max reting up forward is enough talls up forward. 

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:01, Dr. Gonzo said:

If Hogan stays, we can play Hogan and Weid as key forwards, shift TMac down back to be the big key defender. He's basically the same size as May if not slightly bigger. We then have flexibility to shift TMac forward when required or Hogan up the ground.

yeah but they are or each will be million dollar players.. can we afford them

If Weideman performs in 2019 (50 goals) he will be a million dollar renewal.

We got Tom Mac on the cheap (or a little cheaper) because he's not a long recognised forward.

 

Edited September 26, 20186 yr by Diamond_Jim

  On 26/09/2018 at 05:36, Sir Why You Little said:

If he stays fit the Weid will be a goal Kicker....

...and a wrestler, and a mean dude with four extra kilos on each shoulder...

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:41, Diamond_Jim said:

yeah but they are or each will be million dollar players.. can we afford them

Hopefully we'll manage it as well as the Cats and Hawks have.

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:47, willmoy said:

...and a wrestler, and a mean dude with four extra kilos on each shoulder...

His Grandad wrestled didn’t he. 

Few years before i was around

  On 26/09/2018 at 07:49, Sir Why You Little said:

His Grandad wrestled didn’t he. 

Few years before i was around

Festival Hall the only place where you could swim in beer and get a free fight