Changes v West Coat - Round 22

[Redleg 42,039]

They all had significant knocks in-game ... but they've all pulled up pretty well

Craig Vozzo on Liam Ryan, Nathan Vardy and Scott Lycett

 

Of course they have.

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6 hours ago, Fifty-5 said:

Yep Hib, Weed, Melk and Kent for Hunt, Hogan, Pedo and Spargo.

No Weed for me.

OUT Hunt Garlett JKH/Spargo

IN Melksham  Hibberd Kent

 

[P-man 13,367]

I wouldn’t be picking Weed with so much at stake. Completely unproven at AFL level. Pedo can get it done. 

In: Hibberd, Melksham, Kent

Out: Hunt, Hogan, Spargo

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3 hours ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

Goody has deferred to stability over past few weeks

Perhaps minimum changes?

In: Melksham, Hibberd

Out: Hogan, Hunt

I actually wouldn’t mind this. I’ve only included Kent for Spargo as the youngster looks like he’s running of petrol tickets. Slower in mind and body on the weekend.

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2 minutes ago, P-man said:

Pedo can get it done. 

Wish I shared your faith 'P-man'...

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1 hour ago, Redleg said:

You did see Hunt limp off? You do know he is out for 2-4 weeks? You still considering him for this week?

Yeah, I forgot all about Hunt being hurt again.  

So he's another out.  We are running out of soldiers.

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3 hours ago, Demons11 said:

Vanders has to go out.  He was suppose to play on Allir Allir on Sunday and he tore us apart.

He sure did early.  Or we played into his hands... pretty dumb footy.

Still, we were scraping the barrel, looking for who to play.   And still are, again.

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4 minutes ago, rjay said:

Wish I shared your faith 'P-man'...

I’m a believer. He wasn’t great on Sunday but I’m of the school of thought that it takes more than a week for some players to readjust and I believe he’ll be better this week. He generally isnt afforded second chances so Weed is a definite chance to come in but for me he’s too much of a risk.

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2 hours ago, Rogue said:

Isn't Optus Stadium pretty much the same size as the MCG?

Its longer than the 'G'.

We haven't played the wider and bigger grounds well, as yet.  Narrower grounds, we've handled.

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5 hours ago, DV8 said:

Its longer than the 'G'.

We haven't played the wider and bigger grounds well, as yet.  Narrower grounds, we've handled.

I thought it was pretty much the same length as the G but slightly narrower.

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3 options for Goodwin:

Pedersen to FF

Weideman in and FF

or wouldn’t be surprised if they move Petracca there ala Coll game last year

Considering Hogan’s record against the better sides (1.15) we only need someone to snag 1-2, mids and Tommy will do the rest. Kent and Hannan bring extra firepower and they only need 7-8 touches to do it. Best back will go to Tommy and he’ll run them ragged anyway. We won there last year without Hogan.

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Hibberd and Melksham replace Hogan and Hunt.

But that requires Pedersen to play forward and relief ruck. He's been playing back for Casey all year so I don't think we're about to throw him forward in a must-win game.

There's no point having Weideman on the list if we don't play him when we need a key forward. I'd bring him in for Pedersen who doesn't have a match up with Hibberd coming back.

Then there's only the question of whether we retain all of Spargo, Garlett and JKH or whether one is dropped for Kent or Hannan. Given we're already making a minimum of two changes, possibly not.

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1 hour ago, MSFebey said:

Considering Hogan’s record against the better sides (1.15) 

Wow.  Did not know this.  Assume this means top 8 sides.  That is putrid!

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2 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Wow.  Did not know this.  Assume this means top 8 sides.  That is putrid!

1 and a bit goals a game methinks...

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3 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Wow.  Did not know this.  Assume this means top 8 sides.  That is putrid!

Sorry, 1.15 - that's average mate. vs bottom 8 it was 3.65 per game from memory.

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1 minute ago, Danelska said:

1 and a bit goals a game methinks...

Oh, so 1.15 per game, not one goal fifteen behinds...  need a cup of coffee to get the brain on the rails.  Still, not a great return.  But he did take a key back.

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2 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

Oh, so 1.15 per game, not one goal fifteen behinds...  need a cup of coffee to get the brain on the rails.  Still, not a great return.  But he did take a key back.

My mistake mate, I should've been clearer, might grab a coffee myself!

Here are the stats I put up on Monday in case you missed it.

Hogan: Has kicked only 9 goals in 8 games vs the top 10 at an average of just 1.12 goals per game, being goalless twice and kicking 1 on 4 occasions. In contrast vs the bottom 8 he has kicked 38 goals in 12 games at an average of 3.16 per game. That is flat track territory and gives weight to those that are arguing this point.

TMAC on the other hand this year missed a few games at the start but in his 4 games against the top 10 has booted 15 goals at an average of 3.75 per game and 27 goals in 11 games vs bottom 8 at 2.45 per game.

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2 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

My mistake mate, I should've been clearer, might grab a coffee myself!

Here are the stats I put up on Monday in case you missed it.

Hogan: Has kicked only 9 goals in 8 games vs the top 10 at an average of just 1.12 goals per game, being goalless twice and kicking 1 on 4 occasions. In contrast vs the bottom 8 he has kicked 38 goals in 12 games at an average of 3.16 per game. That is flat track territory and gives weight to those that are arguing this point.

TMAC on the other hand this year missed a few games at the start but in his 4 games against the top 10 has booted 15 goals at an average of 3.75 per game and 27 goals in 11 games vs bottom 8 at 2.45 per game.

really interesting stats. I just wonder though if Hogan doesnt assist Tom in those figures by drawing a key defender away.

As much as Jesse does seem to have become a bit of a down hill skier this year. I cant remember it being like this in previous years. Looking at him move makes me wonder if he's just too injured to excel at the top of the top level. I dont mean his foot I mean his back etc etc. Anyone that watches him run would be wondering just how long a career someone with his body can last in the game. 

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8 minutes ago, Wells 11 said:

really interesting stats. I just wonder though if Hogan doesnt assist Tom in those figures by drawing a key defender away.

As much as Jesse does seem to have become a bit of a down hill skier this year. I cant remember it being like this in previous years. Looking at him move makes me wonder if he's just too injured to excel at the top of the top level. I dont mean his foot I mean his back etc etc. Anyone that watches him run would be wondering just how long a career someone with his body can last in the game. 

Yep definitely takes a good defender and I remember previous seasons of his down hill skiing. Some people might say TMAC didnt play v Tiges, Hawks etc but he has consistently performed better against the better sides since being back while Hogan been MIA. TMAC is our best forward now, especially consistency wise.

And good point, Jesse runs like a crooked old man at times and as highlighted On The Couch, his leading and positioning is way out of whack, TMAC seems to get it right most times.

Edited August 14, 2018 by MSFebey

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10 hours ago, Redleg said:

You did see Hunt limp off? You do know he is out for 2-4 weeks? You still considering him for this week?

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Pedersons  field kicking hasn’t been up to scratch after not playing at the highest level for most of the year . 

Id play him out of the square this week trying to drag McGovern away or at least bringing the ball to ground . And if he shoots he scores . 

with Tmac Vanders Milkshake and Garlett and Anb as first set up . 

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9 hours ago, P-man said:

I actually wouldn’t mind this. I’ve only included Kent for Spargo as the youngster looks like he’s running of petrol tickets. Slower in mind and body on the weekend.

I tend to agree with this as the only 'discretionary' change

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1 hour ago, CityDee said:

Pedersons  field kicking hasn’t been up to scratch after not playing at the highest level for most of the year . 

Id play him out of the square this week trying to drag McGovern away or at least bringing the ball to ground . And if he shoots he scores . 

with Tmac Vanders Milkshake and Garlett and Anb as first set up . 

I would prefer to use Weids, he can crash packs and bring the ball to ground, and will trouble defenders with his leads.  Pedo has been down back as the intercept marker for most of the season, and I would think didnt do enough to show he can rotate hi/lo in the forward 50.  Putting him in the square?  We could keep Jesse in to do that.

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12 hours ago, Brownie said:

Vanders on Alir was a crappy match up.

AVB was never going to beat him in the air the way it was bombed in. It was almost like we were passing it to Alir for most of the day.

Agreed. It was a ridiculous match up, literally the last person you should put on Aliir is a bulky mid sized dude with no athleticism. 

I would bring in Weids and tell him his sole job this weekend is to make McGovern accountable, and nullify aerial contests to bring the ball to ground. 

Great learning experience, and at least Weids has the height and athleticism to compete with McGovern in the air. 

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10 hours ago, DV8 said:

Its longer than the 'G'.

We haven't played the wider and bigger grounds well, as yet.  Narrower grounds, we've handled.

 

4 hours ago, Pates said:

I thought it was pretty much the same length as the G but slightly narrower.

https://optusstadium.com.au/factsheets/afl-fact-sheet/