POST MATCH DISCUSSION - Round 21

[Jibroni 5,003]

Just now, Wiseblood said:

I get it.  Kick straight and we win.  We had more than enough of the ball, more than enough I50s and more opportunities than we could poke a stick at.  We didn't kick straight and we lost.

You think Sydneys applied pressure had nothing to do with those missus?

[SFebes 4,884]

Just like STK, Sydney applied the heat and pressure as they knew we would crumble. We have a soft underbelly and every club in the competition knows it.

[Umpire Please 120]

53 minutes ago, ding said:

Another year down the drain.

FFS i have been as positive as anyone for the last 2 months... even the Pollyannas who can never see a single bad thing about us.

I was wrong. Really, REALLY wrong.  Today was the day. Today. Not next week, not round 23.... TODAY.

We won't ever be a genuine threat whilst our so-called leadership is so insipid when we need them. I have been a huge supporter of Jonesy over the years, but I owe an apology to all the posters who claimed he wasn't much chop as a leader. You were right and I was wrong. Unless you manage to drag us over the line in one of the remaining games Nathan, you don't deserve to be captain of this club.

I am just so fukking angry AGAIN right now. You bastards owe me a new liver and 2 kidneys for all the alcohol I have consumed to cope with the disappointment you lot have inflicted.

ANOTHER WASTED YEAR!!!!!!!!!

AAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

*Pulls hair out.

P.S. Trade Hogan while he is worth something.

(My 76-year-old father just called while I was typing this.... he said "2 more weeks and the suffering is over"..... I practically screamed at him to GAGF.

I hate what this club has done to me.

Agree get rid of Hogan while we can as he is not going to get any more currency next year.

[ding 5,126]

16 minutes ago, Deeoldfart said:

Those wanting a rebuild (trade Hogan, Petracca, Jones, Hunt) are letting their emotions control their clear thinking.  I'm as gutted and frustrated as anyone, but please, let's be sensible about this.

Not one single poster has suggested we trade all of Hogan, Petracca, Jones and Hunt. Suggesting anyone wants a rebuild is hyperbole.

Having said that, every single one of them is tradeable in their own right If the price is right. 

All players are, even the champs.

[CityDee 738]

9 minutes ago, praha said:

put the pipe down. 

Port are gone and won’t win another game without Ryder and Dixon and Norf will need to beat the crows in s.a last round . 

Im sure we are both hoping you can put this in your pipe and smoke it . 

The other option is we win 

[Cards13 9,117]

40 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

It might have more impact if you give them a brown eye Ethan

Especially if he gives them the brown eye on their pink eyes 

Edited August 12, 2018 by Cards13

[Graeme Yeats' Mullet 6,775]

1 minute ago, ding said:

Not one single poster has suggested we trade all of Hogan, Petracca, Jones and Hunt. Suggesting anyone wants a rebuild is hyperbole.

Having said that, every single one of them is tradeable in their own right If the price is right. 

All players are, even the champs.

I want to keep Petracca

The other 3 legs of the quaddie can go

[DV8 2,271]

8 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

But I thought Sydney hadn’t been applying pressure in recent weeks?

The Swans turned the corner, last week.

 

We missed Melksham and Hibbo big time.   And still not good enough, even then. 

We may have won this game with them, but we'd still be a way short in the finals.

 

We are carrying a few players, who are still too amateurish.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

Hogan owes us. 3 set shots missed cost us the game. TMac missed another sitter as well. So many opportunities gone begging I'm filthy. The maggots wrecked us as well, Sydney is the best team at pushing the envelope but [censored] me they were getting away with murder. Rampe continually has our players in an Indian armwrestle, they are just allowed to drop the ball out of tackles etc

I'm absolutely filthy, I hate that protected mob

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

9 minutes ago, DV8 said:

Yes... DD.

We needy in other areas and Hoges has value.  He and TMc want the same part of the ground now.

Weide is a tall deep player.  with little cureent value.  but will be a beaut.

 

Hoges, its time.  Eagles or Dockers. 

Or Suns for that matter.

 

What? That's delusional.

We need 2/3 KP forwards and Hogan and TMac are both superb. You trade one, we're down to one. The idea they're competing for one position on the ground is daft. Both of them run up the wings and play far and wide as well as deep. You can easily play both in the same forward line. We have the #1 attack in the league and they're our two biggest goalkickers?!!

Weed is a one-trick pony that hasn't exhibited anything to suggest he's good at his one trick. Not only that, but Hogan and TMac do what he does better than him. But no no... he'll be "a beaut" despite the fact he's been in the system 3 years now and has shown nothing like what Jesse showed in his first two. And you want to play him, and trade Jesse.

"Hoges it's time"... well jeez. I guess it's that simple?

The kid is a star, playing like a star on one leg. One of our most important and critical to our future structure. 90% of the football world knows this, and isn't stupid enough to suggest he's trade fodder.

Get a grip.

[Ante_Up 69]

1 minute ago, Graeme Yeats' Mullet said:

I want to keep Petracca

The other 3 legs of the quaddie can go

Happy to let hogan go and bank some serious cash or trades . Have been for ages. 

[jumbo returns 6,741]

11 minutes ago, buck_nekkid said:

OK, I have had the trip home to settle down a bit.  That was a [censored] disgrace.

We had a number of players who were down on form.  It is probably better to talk about who had a good game, as the list of ‘missing’ was massive.  Oliver, Hogan, Nibbler.  VBD was a disgrace in the first half.  Goal kicking.  Kicking into 50.  Footskills.  Thinking!!!!

Bad kicking is bad football.  I am past disappointed, because we shoulda and coulda, but didn’t.

Jones was a headless chook today, he had a stinker.

Pedo did a few things later, but was a poor selection.  Gawn was outmarked all day, even by a jockey.  Hogan couldn’t mark his undies with a shart.  TMac was awful at goal kicking.  It was endemic.  Oliver was either well held or just off.

Will be interesting (not!) to hear what Goody has to say.  More blah blah blah.  Honestly, he needs to upgrade the talent if he wants them not to wilt like little pansies.

A tick to Harmes.  Other than that??  Most of them can go and get [censored]

You've settled down? Lol

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, DV8 said:

The Swans turned the corner, last week.

 

We missed Melksham and Hibbo big time.   And still not good enough, even then. 

We may have won this game with them, but we'd still be a way short in the finals.

 

We are carrying a few players, who are still too amateurish.

I just want to make finals.

Sadly, that looks extremely unlikely.

[Redleg 40,925]

Why did we have 74 interchanges to 71 when we had two more fit players and are allowed 90?

 

[Radar Detector 1,347]

56 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Kick straight and we win. Bad kicking is bad football, no doubt, but outside of the second half of the second term we were generally a better side. 

It's as simple as that. 

That misses the point. We keep losing these games because we lack composure and smarts, especially in the big moments. You can only say “we were the better team and lost” so many times before you realise that the mental ingredient we miss is actually the most important one. It’s the difference between losses and wins.

I was desperately hoping that today would see the team break the shackles because all the other ingredients are there, but alas, we continue to wait for the breakthrough.

[Roger Mellie 4,025]

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Let's analyze that. 

In every one of those games we had more inside 50's and scoring shots.

The other side kicked well like Geelong's 16-4, while we missed sitters.

Players stood up and lead for the other side, while we were leaderless.

We lacked experience and made simple errors.

The umpiring favoured the other side.

We played players who can't handle pressure, hello ANB, Jeffy.

We played skilless players, hello ANB.

 

I agree with all of that, but you left out 'spoil each other at the contest," whether it's a ground ball or flying for a mark.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

At least we’re consistent. 

We will win next week

[Webber 10,468]

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

We will win next week

No, we won’t. We aren’t good enough. How much evidence do you need. 

[Wiseblood 24,637]

4 minutes ago, Radar Detector said:

That misses the point. We keep losing these games because we lack composure and smarts, especially in the big moments. You can only say “we were the better team and lost” so many times before you realise that the mental ingredient we miss is actually the most important one. It’s the difference between losses and wins.

I was desperately hoping that today would see the team break the shackles because all the other ingredients are there, but alas, we continue to wait for the breakthrough.

You must have then missed my posts where I've already said, and agreed, that composure, skills etc hurt us when it counted.  Had we been better composed then we kick the goals that count, and we win.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s time for Jones to really think about retirement. 

Captains must stand up and show the way. 

At Training and on Game Day

that’s the credentials of a Captain...

He was terrible today, other than the goal he kicked with a few minutes left every time he touched the footy he turned it over or got caught holding it.

[SPC 3,549]

Listening to Goodwin saying me fought on in the game, made we want to spew!! He is gone if we miss finals!!! Gone

[Dr. Gonzo 24,216]

2 minutes ago, Webber said:

No, we won’t. We aren’t good enough. How much evidence do you need. 

We'll see, before the game I thought this would be a tough one, a real 50/50 game and I thought we'd have a better opportunity of beating the Eagles in Perth especially if Kennedy is still out.

We won't beat the Giants tho so if we want to make finals it's next week or bust.

Edited August 12, 2018 by Dr. Gonzo

[DV8 2,271]

4 minutes ago, Dappa Dan said:

What? That's delusional.

We need 2/3 KP forwards and Hogan and TMac are both superb. You trade one, we're down to one. The idea they're competing for one position on the ground is daft. Both of them run up the wings and play far and wide as well as deep. You can easily play both in the same forward line. We have the #1 attack in the league and they're our two biggest goalkickers?!!

Weed is a one-trick pony that hasn't exhibited anything to suggest he's good at his one trick. Not only that, but Hogan and TMac do what he does better than him. But no no... he'll be "a beaut" despite the fact he's been in the system 3 years now and has shown nothing like what Jesse showed in his first two. And you want to play him, and trade Jesse.

"Hoges it's time"... well jeez. I guess it's that simple?

The kid is a star, playing like a star on one leg. One of our most important and critical to our future structure. 90% of the football world knows this, and isn't stupid enough to suggest he's trade fodder.

Get a grip.

It's no good have 2 or 3 key forwards if we cannot get them to catch the pill.

Weide will play deep, and Tmc roll around the front half.

 

We need more class,  and more agility inside Our 50.  The class needs to be between the arcs and on half-forward.

 

Hoges is next to useless when the ball is a highball.   He needs to play high, and TMc's best is in this area as well.

[titan_uranus 25,019]

Infuriating.

Not just because of what is on the line for us in terms of finals.

But because we lost the same way we always do.

+17 inside 50s and +6 scoring shots should be a 20+ point win. Being up two men on the bench for 2.5 quarters (Hunt sat out most of the last quarter with a rolled ankle) should make that 30+ points.

Inexcusable number of passengers: Pedersen, Spargo, Garlett, Hunt, ANB and JKH all had little to no impact on the game. VDB kicked three goals but for 90% of the game was not just poor, but was a main reason for our struggles through his complete inability to compete with Aliir. Hogan and TMac missed critical shots at critical times. Jones was inept (though credit to him for his fourth quarter workrate). 

We continued to kick the ball to poor places. We continued to play one off the back of the square which only resulted in them mopping up inside 50 after inside 50. And we killed our own momentum by missing easy set shots.

When Gawn doesn't dominate in the middle, we don't get anything from the one off the back of the square. We stopped doing it in the fourth and looked a little better with our ball movement.

ANB is a real problem. Too often goes to water when the pressure goes up but our game requires his input.

We're clearly struggling to cover Viney, Lever, Melksham and Hibberd. Fingers crossed the latter two come back next week.

The door is still open for us given North and Port's losses. We will finish next week in the 8 unless we lose by 100 and Geelong wins by 100. But if we lose and then need to beat GWS in the last game to make the finals, I do not like our chances at all.

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

We'll see, before the game I thought this would be a tough one, a real 50/50 game and I thought we'd have a better opportunity of beating the Eagles in Perth especially if Kennedy is still out.

After watching WC game I thought we would beat them based on what we do well. After that disgrace, now I wonder if we can, even with their big outs.