POSTMATCH DISCUSSION - Round 18

[P-man 13,367]

Ow. My head. Drinking didn’t help.

 

Okay, it helped a little.

[John Crow Batty 8,886]

We may be the first ever highest scoring team in the comp that misses the finals. 

[SFebes 4,884]

12 minutes ago, Salems Lot said:

Absolutely MSF, we beat them everywhere except on the scoreboard

AGAIN...

Definition of stupid “doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result”

That is Simon Goodwins game plan to a tee! Dumb as dog [censored] coach 

[bringbackthebiff 658]

2 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

AGAIN...

Definition of stupid “doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result”

That is Simon Goodwins game plan to a tee! Dumb as dog [censored] coach 

It’s actually insanity. Probably more apt 

[McQueen 17,867]

2 hours ago, Nasher said:

I know others have responded already, but this post really hit me.

Mate trust me, even those of us with lives jam packed full of other stuff feel the sting. Being able to rationalise it away with “it’s just footy” comes later after things settle down, but the initial emotion still cuts deep.

For me, the blame phase isn’t part of the package when we lose. I don’t need to blame OMac for having a poor game, or JKH for missing an easy shot, or Goodwin for whatever, like so many do. That gives me zero therapeutic value - in fact it just makes me feel worse. That’s why I will often come across here frustrated when I post on here after losses. I just want an outlet to share my disappointment with other Melbourne supporters because I don’t really know many others, and all I seem to come across is misplaced rage and mindless criticism. People mistake my attitude for nonchalance or that I’m just happy with effort. That couldn’t be further from the truth.

Last night honestly felt up there with the most crushing feeling I’ve felt in my life. I turned the TV off immediately and just sat in the dark silence by myself for ages. I haven’t felt such a feeling of hopelessness for ages. The rational, intelligent man knows it’s stupid to react so strongly to football, but it still happens.

Anyway my point is, there are more people out there in your corner than you think.

Love it, Nash.

[jane02 3,782]

I woke up this morning hoping I had just had a bad dream last night and we had won.

I am interstate at a conference and the hotel TV was only showing the Brisbane game so I relied on a few apps and Demonland to keep up to date.

I just feel so sad and quite teary this morning. I haven’t obviously watched the replay and not sure if I want to when I get home later. Usually I get sulky but I am just plain sad ? 

I am ready to murder my husband as he keeps reminding me the Pies are in the top four. I really hope the Tigers smash them next week.

The conference was a waste of time, the hotel was terrible, I haven’t slept properly for two nights courtesy of a lumpy bed and noise from the nightclub next door.

And now I am trying to come to terms that we won’t make finals again this year.

All in all a weekend from hell.

i need to go home and hug my dog but just got a text to say my flight has been delayed ????

 

[Coq au vin 755]

Two small observations:

1. Selwood held on to Jones in a very secure and strong fashion at many centre bounces, unnoticed by the umpires.

2. Towards the end, the Geelong players huddled at centre bounces and plotted and planned, led by Ablett. Our players just looked bedraggled and stood separately. 

[titan_uranus 25,191]

41 minutes ago, JV7 said:

I know it’s easy it hindsight & mistakes are made throughout ag game it’s just in a lose like that the last moments are reviewed & blamed for a loss but

JKH’s rushed/panicked kick for goal in the last quarter, he had so much time to straighten up & goal.

Garrett’s snap from the pocket was such a low % play. Like Warren Treadrea said we have to get smarter at doing the little things well. He would have been better to fumble it over the line & get a stoppage but as I said it’s easy in hindsight.

Brayshaw in that play inside 50 after the Garlett behind just had to sit on the footy, let the umpire pay holding the ball... Lay on the footy & slow it up, let us get numbers back. Trying to knock it out played straight into abletts hands literally... 

I have never been more furious waking  out of the ground last night. Abosolutely gutted, I hope their hurting as much as we are (although we said that after round 23 last year)

Agree with all three observations.

Three critical errors (amongst) others in that final two minutes.

Having said that, from 29 points up 5 minutes into the fourth quarter we should never have been in that position. But we also need to learn how to win close games and we made a series of obviously-wrong decisions. 

[McQueen 17,867]

Get out and do something you love today guys and get over it - it’s history now.

Me, I’m going to comfort eat a [censored]-tonne of yum char in Northbridge.

[Hellaintabadplacetobe 4,297]

48 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Who else has woken up this morning thinking what could have been. My thought was why didn't we have more players getting back in the backline so we could crowd it like they did to us in parts and have more at the touhy contest. Also was Jetta his opponent? 

Also I kind of wish Goodwin did a beveridge and give the boys a blast afterwards. He may of but he probably didn't. I hope the review tomorrow is harsh and they show what they stuffed up in the last 2 minutes. 

According to the afl site goodwin will seek clarification about the free kick that went to danger in the ruck contest. I thought there could be plenty more he could ask about. 

I just look at the ladder and think we could be in 4th today. We could ahve gone 2 games clear of nth and a game clear of geelong. But no, that would be to obvious and to easy to play finals. 

 2 games clear of Geelong 

[Deemania since 56 6,767]

36 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Who else has woken up this morning thinking what could have been. My thought was why didn't we have more players getting back in the backline so we could crowd it like they did to us in parts and have more at the touhy contest. Also was Jetta his opponent? 

Also I kind of wish Goodwin did a beveridge and give the boys a blast afterwards. He may of but he probably didn't. I hope the review tomorrow is harsh and they show what they stuffed up in the last 2 minutes. 

According to the afl site goodwin will seek clarification about the free kick that went to danger in the ruck contest. I thought there could be plenty more he could ask about. 

I just look at the ladder and think we could be in 4th today. We could ahve gone 2 games clear of nth and a game clear of geelong. But no, that would be to obvious and to easy to play finals. 

Trying to find some catharsis this morning, something to take away the feelings of despair at what was so promising, so poorly executed and so dismally, transfixedly underwhelming despite being the better team for majority of the game. Geelong had a Plan B and it worked, straight off. Team selection was a bitter realisation - based on availability or non-availability of our key players (those with intent); however, the selections so made were again unwise. Our strong players were used to fill gaps created by core injuries and recovering guns. We assumed that the Lewis/Vince experience level was a framework upon which dependency could call. Wrong again. We anticipated this loss during the last quarter when a leading score was not protected and where this lead diminished by the minute into a surrender. Our coach was notable for his inaction. Our players were notable for their exhaustion and confused efforts. Another multiple series of lessons to be reviewed and learned have been approaching for weeks. For me, it is time to put footballing support to other endeavours until this Club can earn my attention. Are we all in this situation? Very little light shines as optimism in our 2018 attempts. 

[Flemo56 409]

Unfortunately we still cannot b trusted as was said at the start of the year by slobbo. I am truly gutted by this loss and believe we will now totally capitulate and not make the finals at all. The team does not have the mental capacity too recover from this loss. Would love too be proven wrong, but this is MFC. 

[Moonshadow 17,678]

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

I'll agree with you.

We need to trade Hogan.

 I fancy he'll never be the player we all hope and need him to be ( consistently and most of any season ). Imho he'll wax and wane on form , effort and effect.

Atm he'll command a big return at market.

If our esteemed coach is hellbent on playing him through the middle he's wasted anyway.

We could probably get 1&1/2 decent miss for him.

I await the normal howling.

As much as l love watching Hogan when he's ON and acknowledging that he's still young, everyone has a price. If Freo offered a player of the quality of Cerra and/or a good draft pick, or another tempting trade package, we'd be crazy not to consider it. ATM I struggle to see Hogan living up to the potential. In that regard, it's disappointing so far that Weiderman hasn't grasped his opportunities to cement a regular place in the seniors.

Edited July 22, 2018 by Moonshadow

[Demonised 1,371]

When did we last win a game by less than a goal? Genuine question.

[deelete my account 1,194]

Just saw the delayed result. I fast forwarded the last kick out. Saw Hawkins mark. yup i know whats coming. fast forwarded and saw the mark in 50. fast forwarded and saw the goal celebration. No need to watch that garbage in full. I saw that [censored] coming from a mile away, we all did i'm sure. Petracca burnt a few teammates in the last few minutes by trying to shrug a second tackle after already having some luck in shrugging the first. Facepalm! , And we went in on some hollywood stunts while up by 29 i thought. 

Edited July 22, 2018 by John Demonic

[Diamond_Jim 12,710]

2 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

As much as l love watching Hogan when he's ON and acknowledging that he's still young, everyone has a price. If Freo offered a player of the quality of Cerra and/or a good draft pick, or another tempting trade package, we'd be crazy not to consider it. ATM, I struggle to see Hogan living up to the potential. In that regard, it's disappointing so far that Weiderman hasn't grasped his opportunities to cement a regular place in the seniors.

As I posted last night we need to think tactically with Hogan. We have Tom Mac, Hogan and Weideman. All three are unlikely to play together.

At the beginning of the year I thought Hogan at CHF was what might take us all the way. Still possible but his consistency at CHF is not there.

Two top ten draft picks in this years draft (Freo would pay it) with the added bonus that we free up salary cap for another player such as Gaff.

It's a gamble I know but we need to break out of this mould of mediocrity that seems to surround the MFC.

[titan_uranus 25,191]

6 minutes ago, Demonised said:

When did we last win a game by less than a goal? Genuine question.

West Coast in Perth last year.

We were 2-3 in games decided by under 6 points last year, and one of the wins was Collingwood on Queen's Birthday when Fasolo kicked a goal after the siren (i.e. it was 10 points until that kick).

We're 0-3 this year.

[picket fence 18,022]

11 hours ago, Roost It said:

We’ll beat the cats in week 1

We  wont make it so that's wrong for a start!

[picket fence 18,022]

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I hope not how many more games is he going to cost us?

As Junior said a poor man's Zac Dawson

Struggling !!

Edited July 22, 2018 by picket fence

[mauriesy 7,418]

12 minutes ago, Demonised said:

When did we last win a game by less than a goal? Genuine question.

West Coast in Perth last year?

[Mondê 525]

Can't remember the last time I woke up just as [censored] off about a loss as the previous day. A stinger for the ages

[picket fence 18,022]

32 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Trying to find some catharsis this morning, something to take away the feelings of despair at what was so promising, so poorly executed and so dismally, transfixedly underwhelming despite being the better team for majority of the game. Geelong had a Plan B and it worked, straight off. Team selection was a bitter realisation - based on availability or non-availability of our key players (those with intent); however, the selections so made were again unwise. Our strong players were used to fill gaps created by core injuries and recovering guns. We assumed that the Lewis/Vince experience level was a framework upon which dependency could call. Wrong again. We anticipated this loss during the last quarter when a leading score was not protected and where this lead diminished by the minute into a surrender. Our coach was notable for his inaction. Our players were notable for their exhaustion and confused efforts. Another multiple series of lessons to be reviewed and learned have been approaching for weeks. For me, it is time to put footballing support to other endeavours until this Club can earn my attention. Are we all in this situation? Very little light shines as optimism in our 2018 attempts. 

BULLSEYE!!!

[KLV 1,768]

12 hours ago, The Reverend said:

Agree. We just lack the experience Ablett, Danger, Selwood, Hawkins, etc. They stood up when it mattered. Life goes on. A little sadder, more frustrated, but pretty hopeful for te future. Maybe not this year but not too far away.

, 

After listening to Goodwin’s presser, I agree with your sentiments. still life in the season, and last nights’s experience will make the Dees better and hungrier. Meanwhile we are improving, this is the part from which I take solace. Also we have been desperately unlucky 

[Demonised 1,371]

While I'm as disappointed as the next man, with a huge effort I'm going to try to put my emotion aside and pose this question.

What would this thread have looked like if this had happened 2-3 years ago?

Yes, there would have been anger and heartache, and outrage at the way Geelong stars get mollycoddled by umpires, but I reckon there would have been a consistent flavour in the posts, a tinge of 'that was a pretty good effort to get so close'.

The fact that this is missing today is a sign of two things:

1. Geelong isn't the side that it was.
2. Neither are we - but in a good way. We're better than we were and we're continuing to improve.

These are both good things.

Our expectations of our current team are higher, and so our fury at the loss is more pronounced - but it means we're on the rise.

This is good, surely?

[Moonshadow 17,678]

7 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As I posted last night we need to think tactically with Hogan. We have Tom Mac, Hogan and Weideman. All three are unlikely to play together.

At the beginning of the year I thought Hogan at CHF was what might take us all the way. Still possible but his consistency at CHF is not there.

Two top ten draft picks in this years draft (Freo would pay it) with the added bonus that we free up salary cap for another player such as Gaff.

It's a gamble I know but we need to break out of this mould of mediocrity that seems to surround the MFC.

Would rather a player and a pick than two picks. Despite Tayor's magic, draft is always a gamble.

Look, I truly hope Hogan stays long term and fulfils his potential, but ATM I see another two high quality mids as a priority. If Hogan continues with this on again, off again form next year his currency will change. I don't doubt his ability, I doubt his consistency and value going forward.

If we land Gaff as FA without a trade, this may change the picture somewhat, but not the issue above