Essendon VFL v Casey Demons - VFL Round 13

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

Looks like King and Kent along with Johnstone coming along nicely.

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1 hour ago, Elegt said:

it's more the fact all of his kicks are so loopy and cause contests rather then nice flat passes, he will never make it at afl level unless he can learn to kick flat

Apart from Melksham, Fritsch & Salem our whole team are average kicks.

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1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Oskar Baker looks ready but where does he play

 

[buck_nekkid 6,101]

1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

 

One thing I noticed was Baker always held his width off the contest, to act as the loose side winger.  This meant he spent a lot of time between these zones, as he was the widest player for both teams off the contest when it was on the opposite wing.  He would then run to make space wider, or be a target on an angle.  When was on his side, I didn’t see who held width the other way.  He got involved, some of his disposal was less than polished, but he looks highly likely.  A good game.

I note the Bummers had a couple of very fleet footed runners, which absolutely suits their game style to break lines and rebound off half back.  One or two of these might be valuable at Melbourne.

F50 entries seem to be our Achilles heel.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

1 minute ago, buck_nekkid said:

One thing I noticed was Baker always held his width off the contest, to act as the loose side winger.  This meant he spent a lot of time between these zones, as he was the widest player for both teams off the contest when it was on the opposite wing.  He would then run to make space wider, or be a target on an angle.  When was on his side, I didn’t see who held width the other way.  He got involved, some of his disposal was less than polished, but he looks highly likely.  A good game.

I note the Bummers had a couple of very fleet footed runners, which absolutely suits their game style to break lines and rebound off half back.  One or two of these might be valuable at Melbourne.

F50 entries seem to be our Achilles heel.

We were kicking over 100 pts for 6 games, we kicked 91 points against Collingwood, we bombed it in against Port but still got 68 entries, bombing it in for one game was/is the issue

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23 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

 

Funny stuff

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Hind for Essendon certainly looks like he has some potential. Bit of speed and class. Worth a look by Taylor and co I think. 23yo (soon to be 24), 180cm

[RalphiusMaximus 6,112]

That was an interesting game to watch. 

Worth noting that they showed some of Rawlings' quarter time talk and he singled out Vince, Pederesn and King for efforts in the first.  I think in all cases it was their attack on the man that he was praising.  Vince came out at the start and bulldozed his way through a few players to get to the ball which set the tone nicely. 

I'm amazed that Keilty hasn't had a call-up yet.  I see him as the obvious replacement for Lever of the tall defenders in our side.  He's a very strong intercept mark, he's calm under pressure and his disposal is as good as any.  I'd have him ahead of J. Smith any day.  Frost showed a lot today as well, but his hands aren't as good and you can't trust his disposal.

I really liked the look of Baker. He seems to use his pace to get into space more than running with the ball.  He was able to find room constantly and give an uncontested option for his teammates.  Could have had a couple of shots as well, but he seems to prefer giving them off.  Definite potential there. 

[monoccular 17,760]

3 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Kent looks a long way off. Very slow

 

1 hour ago, willmoy said:

Looks like King and Kent along with Johnstone coming along nicely.

An interesting reflection on the different ways different people see things: this is not meant as criticism, rather as a comment on the joyous diversity of the human condition (assuming both are members of this species of course ... not that you necessarily need to be to enjoy footy, and Demonland is an equal opportunity all embracing family).

As a matter of interest, were you at the game or did you watch it on TV?  

Edited June 30, 2018 by monoccular

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2 hours ago, D4Life said:

Balic injured or just slow?

Slow.  Speed hasn't ever been one of his tricks. When fully fit, a good endurance athlete, competitive and great decision maker in close.

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27 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

.......

I'm amazed that Keilty hasn't had a call-up yet.  I see him as the obvious replacement for Lever of the tall defenders in our side.  He's a very strong intercept mark, he's calm under pressure and his disposal is as good as any.  I'd have him ahead of J. Smith any day.  Frost showed a lot today as well, but his hands aren't as good and you can't trust his disposal.

........

I guess the question may be is Keilty competing with Petty (who got the nod this week) or with J Smith? (I don't know the answer to this question b y the way.)

[Willmoy1947 4,261]

17 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

An interesting reflection on the different ways different people see things: this is not meant as criticism, rather as a comment on the joyous diversity of the human condition (assuming both are members of this species of course ... not that you necessarily need to be to enjoy footy, and Demonland is an equal opportunity all embracing family).

As a matter of interest, were you at the game or did you watch it on TV?  

Watched it on TV Mono, but the reason why i said what i said was because it related more to two players in Kent and Weideman, and what they have to cop on the site.......  

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Just now, monoccular said:

I guess the question may be is Keilty competing with Petty (who got the nod this week) or with J Smith? (I don't know the answer to this question b y the way.)

both I think.

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45 minutes ago, monoccular said:

 

An interesting reflection on the different ways different people see things: this is not meant as criticism, rather as a comment on the joyous diversity of the human condition (assuming both are members of this species of course ... not that you necessarily need to be to enjoy footy, and Demonland is an equal opportunity all embracing family).

As a matter of interest, were you at the game or did you watch it on TV?  

TV. Certainly not writing him off - just looks very out of condion and will need a body of work at Casey before being considered. I guess my comments were coloured by him saying he wanted more midfield time. He’s miles off that.

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I don't rate Frost. Never looks assured at the contest, and his disposal is very iffy ... It's a shame that the ruck experiment with him a couple of years ago was unsuccessful. It could have been his saving grace.

Pretty and Keilty are obviously now ahead of him.

Not convinced about J. Smith either, but probably too early to make a considered judgement.

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3 hours ago, buck_nekkid said:

One thing I noticed was Baker always held his width off the contest, to act as the loose side winger.  This meant he spent a lot of time between these zones, as he was the widest player for both teams off the contest when it was on the opposite wing.  He would then run to make space wider, or be a target on an angle.  When was on his side, I didn’t see who held width the other way.  He got involved, some of his disposal was less than polished, but he looks highly likely.  A good game.

I note the Bummers had a couple of very fleet footed runners, which absolutely suits their game style to break lines and rebound off half back.  One or two of these might be valuable at Melbourne.

F50 entries seem to be our Achilles heel.

They were quick in straight lines, when they broke clear. 

20 minutes ago, bingers said:

I don't rate Frost. Never looks assured at the contest, and his disposal is very iffy ... It's a shame pity that the ruck experiment with him a couple of years ago was unsuccessful. It could have been his saving grace.

Pretty and Keilty are obviously now ahead of him.

Not convinced about J. Smith either, but probably too early to make a considered judgement.

because the Frost ruck experiment didn't work when he was a few years younger,,, doesn't mean that it wouldn't now he is a couple of years older, and a bit wiser ?

Still worth a try i think, as his play has been more assertive, and he has shown a few little things here or there, in the past month.

Might be worth revisiting the ruck thing.

[Satyriconhome 10,880]

Drunkin will confirm but every time Dec Keilty gets up and running gets illness, injury or head knock, has to start again

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9 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Oskar Baker is a fast Dom Tyson at this point

Which is a significant point of difference. We're stacked with one paced inside mids but we lack speed and outside run. Baker plays like a classic wingman. Must be a chance to come in next week though Goody may find another inside mid to promote!

[Diamond_Jim 12,773]

4 hours ago, DV8 said:

They were quick in straight lines, when they broke clear. 

because the Frost ruck experiment didn't work when he was a few years younger,,, doesn't mean that it wouldn't now he is a couple of years older, and a bit wiser ?

Still worth a try i think, as his play has been more assertive, and he has shown a few little things here or there, in the past month.

Might be worth revisiting the ruck thing.

sensible suggestion.. sometimes we get too concerned about winning at VFL level and forget what that team is really about ie experimentation

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12 hours ago, Elegt said:

king has no afl attributes, young but no potential

I agree our two vfl rucks dont show much potential 

Recruit a fwd ruck? 

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4 hours ago, demoniac said:

Which is a significant point of difference. We're stacked with one paced inside mids but we lack speed and outside run. Baker plays like a classic wingman. Must be a chance to come in next week though Goody may find another inside mid to promote!

Can he deliver to the forwards? 

I saw lots of bombing on tv and we need classy users

[Whispering_Jack 31,368]

The stats ~

Oskar Baker 20 kicks 14 handballs 34 disposals 9 marks 6 tackles 126 dream team points
Harley Balic 1 goal 9 kicks 7 handballs 16 disposals 4 marks 1 tackles 63 dream team points
Tomas Bugg 12 kicks 5 handballs 17 disposals 3 marks 5 tackles 75 dream team points
Lachlan Filipovic 2 hit outs -4 dream team points
Sam Frost 10 kicks 6 handballs 16 disposals 6 marks 1 tackle 58 dream team points 
Jeff Garlett 1 goal 2 behinds 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 7 tackles 65 dream team points 
Jack Hutchins 1 goal  2 kicks 3 handballs 5 disposals 4 marks 2 tackles 36 dream team points Dion Johnstone 3 kicks 3 handballs 6 disposals 3 marks 4 tackles 37 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 7 kicks 8 handballs 15 disposals 7 marks 3 tackles 68 dream team points
Jay Kennedy Harris 8 kicks 9 handballs 17 disposals 1 mark 11 tackles 88 dream team points
Dean Kent 10 kicks 4 handballs 14  disposals 4 marks 1 tackle 45 dream team points
Mitchell King 1 goal 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 2 marks 3 tackles 17 hit outs 56 dream team point
Jay Lockhart 13 kicks 7 handballs 20 disposals 4 marks 4 tackles 78 dream team points 
Goy Lok 3 kicks 5 handballs 8 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 36 dream team points
Corey Machaya 6 kicks 1 handballs 7 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 35 dream team points
James Munro 7 kicks 5 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 6 tackles 61 dream team points 
Cameron Pedersen 10 kicks 5 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 55 dream team points
Corey Stockdale 5 kicks 6 handballs 11 disposals 4 tackles 45 dream team points
Angus Scott 1 goal 11 kicks 7 handballs 18 disposals marks tackles dream team points
Tim Smith 1 goal 11 kicks 9 handballs 20 disposals  7 marks 2 tackles 78 dream team points
Billy Stretch 2 goals 13 kicks 10 handballs 23 disposals 1 mark 9 tackles 110 dream team points  Bernie Vince 18 kicks 7 handballs 25 disposals 6 marks 5 tackles 107 dream team points
Corey Wagner 15 kicks 12 handballs 27 disposals 2 marks 9 tackles 106 dream team points

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23 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The stats ~

Jeff Garlett 1 goal 2 behinds 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 7 tackles 65 dream team points 
 

Struggling big time at VFL level.

Looks like I was right and @Satyriconhome was wrong...  again.

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jeffy seemed to lack interest to me

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26 minutes ago, Petraccattack said:

Struggling big time at VFL level.

Looks like I was right and @Satyriconhome was wrong...  again.

He ain’t setting the world on fire, but id suggest 7 tackles would indicate he had roughly 15 or so pressure acts, meaning he’d have played his role quite well.