Post Match Discussion - Round 12

[Diamond_Jim 11,941]

1 minute ago, Hell Bent said:

How does a team leading the comp for clearances get smashed by 20 two weeks in a row .

Very disappointed. Pies run n spread was impressive,  totally outplayed today. 

#whyus? 

now that is the question...

[Cheap Seats 3,303]

3 minutes ago, olisik said:

Some players have been coasting too long like Vince Lewis Petracca Hannan

Have some balls mate.

Dont pick the low hanging fruit.

Brayshaw hogan petracca viney were all below average. Even oliver who had a lot of touches was generally ineffective today.

Not sure if ahead of them selves or just average

Edited June 11, 2018 by Unleash Hell

[deanox 8,726]

A charmed umpire run in the first gave them a start, but Grundy beat Gawn in the ruck and we lost the clearances. Jones had a shocker, and the rest of the mids didn't lift. 

They had our structures covered and when we got it they consistently chopped off our usual avenues tho goal; worse they smashed us on the rebound, running harder the other way while we we're caught out of position. 

Finally, with Oscar off in the last quarter, they exploited our lack of height in defence.

 

Pedo gave us nothing with only 3 marks; worse I think he cost us structure and disrupted Hogan's game.  He won't play next week. 

Tyson is a chance given we struggled in the middle but I don't know who you drop.

Everytime we play bad Lewis looks slow and Vince looks sloppy but they play well in our wins so not sure if you drop them. 

[Return to Glory 7,779]

Just a couple of thoughts from a fragile fan:

• Petracca needs to gut run more and, more importantly, make an impact when he doesn't have the ball. And less mongrel kicks. Touch of the Brent Maloney's about him today.
• Our mids are not blocking for each other effectively and it cost us dearly.
• Tim Watson is a [censored].

[shorty 233]

Absolutely murdered in the centre clearances.

[TeamPlayedFine39 8,186]

We were well beaten today by a very good and well drilled team.  Collingwood's gameplan held up to the pressure much better than ours and their skills, positioning and run will hold them well in September.

Whilst it's great that so many of our young players are getting some 'big game' experience, it's a worry that some repeat offenders are wilting under the pressure.  Too many not willing to do the hard running and simple, quick disposal.

Is this the end of our season?  No.  There's a lot to learn after today's match and if the players and coaching staff can take that on board, we can improve on where we're currently at.

[PJ_12345 1,098]

First post in a couple of years... but hey, today's game will do that to you!

Couple of comments:

1. Too many players sucked into the contest. Doesnt take 3 blokes to tackle. Allowed Collingwood to overlap perfectly.

2. Lost everywhere. Mid, forward and back.

3. DeGoey unmanned for 3/4 hurts. Should have been shut down.

4. Pedo should have gone to Cox, and told to play in front. 

5. Felt like we had the wrong team. Too tall forward, so small down back, not enough support in the ruck.

Bye will do them well. Need to step it up from here on.

[leave it to deever 16,013]

Bet Dunn is laughing.

[Jibroni 4,182]

Just now, Unleash Hell said:

Have some balls mate.

Dont pick the low hanging fruit.

Brayshaw hogan petracca viney were all below average. Even oliver who had a lot of touches was generally ineffective 

Half the team were below average today BH, that really hurts.

 

 

 

 

[Wiseblood 24,636]

I reckon the loss of Lever hurt more than we realise, and goes back to what Goodwin was saying earlier in the year.

It took a month or so for Lever to settle, find his groove and play great footy.  Now that our most important defender has gone down for the year you would expect it to take a month or so for us to find the best way of covering for him going forward.  I thought Joel Smith had a real dip and earned another crack in a fortnight, but our structures were back to what we saw in the first 4-5 weeks.  

Tightening this up and finding a way around Lever will take a little time, hopefully as little as possible.

[frankie_d 1,410]

couldn't get there.

last week, smashed in clearances - but good enough to turn it over in our  back 1/2 and score

this week, smashed in clearances - and not good enough

for those who know a bit - why failing "in the contest" ? personnel or plan or a bit of both.

[olisik 4,060]

1 minute ago, Unleash Hell said:

Have some balls mate.

Dont pick the low hanging fruit.

Brayshaw hogan petracca viney were all below average. Even oliver who had a lot of touches was generally ineffective today.

Not sure if ahead of them selves or just average

They are low hanging fruit for a reason.

 

Hogan Oliver and Brayshaw  haven’t been coasting this season

[Demonsone 1,636]

No excuses played poorly.....Very even comp & will punish teams regardless of ladder position, after 6 wins a row which requires strong mental toughness which simply can't be sustained  by this group yet.

Sitting 8-4 with healthy % & have another 10 games to show its a marathon!

 

[demonique 314]

Ok , disappointed.. we aren’t dead yet , just took a bullet .

[Yze_13 259]

9 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Cannot deny that today was a huge disappointment.  Big game, big crowd and big stakes at play... and we failed to show up.  It's not good enough from many of the players out there today, and no doubt over the break they'll take a good, hard at look at what went wrong today.  Our clearance work, for the second game in a row, was very poor and our want to run hard both ways fell away at crucial times.  Too often we had quick kicks forward that just landed in their laps, and then they were away.

But it's not the end of the world.  Seriously, it isn't.  I know this thread will be filled to the brim with over the top statements, people slamming players, questioning Goodwin and so forth.  But before you slam your keyboard, consider this:

If you were told we would be 8-4 at the bye, would you have taken it?  Of course you would have.  It's okay to have bumps in the road as we won't win every week.  It just won't happen.  And so what if we're taking a little extra time to get there?  Just because we may not win the flag this year is no reason why we aren't in prime position for a tilt over the next 3-4 seasons.  And last time I checked we're still right in the eight and in a fantastic position to make some waves in September.

We've fallen over a few times and we have things we need to address, but really, this is only a small stumbling block for the club.  We have already shown the ability to get better and change the way we play - the previous 6 weeks are a testament to that.  And I'd rather have a game like this now than later in the year.

Hopefully the boys take stock of where they are at today and do all they can to improve upon it over the second half of the season.

Great post. Certainly happy with 8-4 at the bye. My only issue is that apart from the Geelong game we haven't been close to beating an above average side. We need to establish some credibility - no better place to start than on the road against a top 8 team on Friday week.

[davo 209]

5 minutes ago, olisik said:

Some players have been coasting too long like Vince Lewis Petracca Hannan

Lewis was one of our best

[Binmans PA 26,301]

Gawn was absolutely embarrassed today. Our mids were comprehensively beaten and our half forwards barely laid any tackles.

Tommy though is worth every cent. The other leader to show leadership.

I hope this puts the Pedersen debate to sleep too. His inability to bring the ball to ground or compete, as well turning the ball over resulted in 3-4 first half goals. 

Let's see how we reset after the bye with a bit of rest.

A thoroughly predictable Melbourne performance though. You knew as soon as Richmond lost and second spit was there for the taking that we'd capitulate.

[John Crow Batty 8,285]

We better find something during the bye period. We were travelling well after 12-13 rounds last season and still missed out. We are only one game plus some percentage still in. It can get really ugly. I hope not.

[Farmerjeff 24]

Pretenders

[DSP 1,488]

Didn't look on from first bounce.

Pies faster and way more clinical.

Defenders and mids beaten comprehensively.

A very poor performance.

[Skuit 9,312]

We were always going to lose the battle on the outside. 

But Collingwood smothered us all game and shut us down on the inside. 

Well played Collingwood. 

I believe we will learn from the loss. 

[defuture15 847]

Completely outplayed today.

Just kept waiting for them to switch on.

We will learn from this. It was the best collingwood has

[Nasher 33,133]

There were two sides on the park, and one of them was awesome. I’m disappointed but I’m not ready to call us pretenders yet; Collingwood’s pressure then outside spread was immense and we couldn’t match it *on the day*. Losing our only tall to concussion when their big forward was already on top definitely didn’t help.

Our streak was bound to end eventually. We hit the break, dust ourselves off and hit the back half of the season with vigour.

[Demonsone 1,636]

7 minutes ago, Yze_13 said:

Great post. Certainly happy with 8-4 at the bye. My only issue is that apart from the Geelong game we haven't been close to beating an above average side. We need to establish some credibility - no better place to start than on the road against a top 8 team on Friday week.

Would the Crows & Nth above average??

 

[bringbackthebiff 646]

Basically they played to their strengths and we didn’t.

 

And I hate to say - we missed Lever