WELCOME TO DEMONLAND - ED LANGDON

[faultydet 7,594]

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Would have to be disguised (eg. Stretch for 5th rounder) as what you suggest could be described as draft tampering. AFL wants trades to be balanced (unless of course, it involves GCS or GWS, so maybe forget what I'm trying to say...)

Billy Stretch has done nothing with us.

5th rd pick is about what he is worth.

[Adam The God 30,266]

I'd just do the deal. Second round pick seems fair, unless exactly what @Mach5 said went down last year and they wanted a first rounder for him. If that's the case, I'd offer a third rounder and say he's uncontracted and we have the whip hand.

[deebug 1,754]

4 hours ago, FireInTheBelly said:

It is silly season though, I'm sure it won't be long before someone pops up with '......hold on, there's still a chance it could happen yet'

We can dream

[jnrmac 20,097]

9 hours ago, Ron Burgundy said:

We have absolutely nailed trading this pick each year for a while now: Vince, Melksham, Hibberd and now Langdon.

I’m just hoping we manage to nail pick 3 and pick up Elliott.

And somehow get Yze back to the club.

 

We should trade all our picks for picks 20-29, then we could nail some champs...

[DubDee 25,891]

Ed finished 5th in the BnF behind 4 very good players. 

I’m very excited about this bloke hopefully becoming a Demon soon!!

[Redleg 40,944]

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Ed finished 5th in the BnF behind 4 very good players. 

I’m very excited about this bloke hopefully becoming a Demon soon!!

He is touring Lions facilities today.

[Chelly 810]

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He is touring Lions facilities today.

In the company of ANB and Josh Wagner.

[deebug 1,754]

This one seems to be have gone quiet for some reason?

Any one have any info as to where it's at?

[Redleg 40,944]

Just now, deebug said:

This one seems to be have gone quiet for some reason?

Any one have any info as to where it's at?

Well for a start nothing can happen until tomorrow at the earliest.

[Redleg 40,944]

13 minutes ago, Chelly said:

In the company of ANB and Josh Wagner.

I promised not to comment on the former, but as to the latter, that would be fine if true.

[deebug 1,754]

Just now, Redleg said:

Well for a start nothing can happen until tomorrow at the earliest.

Hope this one gets done tomorrow?

[Wiseblood 24,637]

9 minutes ago, deebug said:

Hope this one gets done tomorrow?

Still plenty of water to go under the bridge.  While it's being reported that we are his most likely destination, he hasn't come out and picked us just yet.  Might take a bit of time to get done.

[binman 43,020]

54 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He is touring Lions facilities today.

And if he dies choose the dees it means nothing in terms of providing evidence quality players do not want to come to our club.

Why? Give me some time.

[Neil Crompton 5,562]

3 hours ago, binman said:

And if he dies choose the dees it means nothing in terms of providing evidence quality players do not want to come to our club.

Why? Give me some time.

If he “dies” Binman, I would hope he doesn’t choose us. We have enough problems. 

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

Interesting the HPN Trade calculator values Ed Langdon at about pick 6

Tomlinson - pick 21
Sam Frost - pick 37
Jamie Elliott - pick 62

https://www.hpnfooty.com/?page_id=22878

These guys value quantity over quality - they are looking at future value in terms of games a player will give a team, which is probably why Elliott is far lower than Langdon and Tomlinson. 

So whilst I don't like a few things about Langdon it's interesting that his age and durability see him very highly rated in some metrics.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

29 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Interesting the HPN Trade calculator values Ed Langdon at about pick 6

Tomlinson - pick 21
Sam Frost - pick 37
Jamie Elliott - pick 62

https://www.hpnfooty.com/?page_id=22878

These guys value quantity over quality - they are looking at future value in terms of games a player will give a team, which is probably why Elliott is far lower than Langdon and Tomlinson. 

So whilst I don't like a few things about Langdon it's interesting that his age and durability see him very highly rated in some metrics.

Yeh until injury, poor form or otherwise strikes.

Remember that time our list was rated number one by champion data going into this year? 

I remember.

We finished second last.

Much of champion data as well as any isolated statistical analysis is about as useful as an accordion player on a deer hunt. 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by stevethemanjordan

[Slartibartfast 17,309]

2 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh until injury, poor form or otherwise strikes.

Remember that time our list was rated number one by champion data going into this year? 

I remember.

We finished second last.

Much of champion data as well as any isolated statistical analysis is about as useful as an accordion player on a deer hunt. 

 

How did CD rate the teams we put on the field Steve?  Serious question.  I know you're down on the Club but it not as though we saw it even close to its best.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

16 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

How did CD rate the teams we put on the field Steve?  Serious question.  I know you're down on the Club but it not as though we saw it even close to its best.

I agree with you, I'm not saying we don't have a solid list.

I just dislike how much attention is paid to champion data these days on the whole.

[binman 43,020]

24 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I agree with you, I'm not saying we don't have a solid list.

I just dislike how much attention is paid to champion data these days on the whole.

I agree, to an extent. I don't have an issue with champion data per se. The issue for me is that all of their data is not available to Joe public and is  released in little packages either through say the hun or here and there on tv and footy forums. 

Data needs to be seen in context of multiple sets of data. Otherwise it us too open to misinterpretation.

As I have said before the AFL should pay for the lot and give it all to the public. Champion data would charge a lot because they make money from its exclusivity but so what. We would get good data and the market would open up because clubs would explore other options to get useful data.

[whatwhat say what 22,775]

37 minutes ago, stevethemanjordan said:

I agree with you, I'm not saying we don't have a solid list.

I just dislike how much attention is paid to champion data these days on the whole.

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[Diamond_Jim 12,592]

Langdon deal will take a while given we are in the box seat due to the PSD.

If we are going to give up the second rounder I hope we trade for a later second round pick and thus get value.

Given where we finished the season our second and third round picks are very high value. Long way between pick 20 and pick 38 all of which are second rounders.

[CHF 2,738]

I am hearing that this deal will be done but maybe not till later in the trade period. The trade will hinge on a couple of other deals that might eventuate. As seems to be the case with all thee things.

[Forest Demon 4,681]

3 minutes ago, CHF said:

I am hearing that this deal will be done but maybe not till later in the trade period. The trade will hinge on a couple of other deals that might eventuate. As seems to be the case with all thee things.

Which is interesting as it seems pretty straight forward. It gives me hope there is something else cooking. I’m not expecting anything major, but would be nice to see us bring in a small forward, especially if Elliott goes elsewhere.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

11 minutes ago, Forest Demon said:

Which is interesting as it seems pretty straight forward. It gives me hope there is something else cooking. I’m not expecting anything major, but would be nice to see us bring in a small forward, especially if Elliott goes elsewhere.

I hope so too, but it's likely to be the B Hill deal and Freo playing hard ball.

Would like the Langdon one to get done early so we can move on

[DeeSpencer 25,717]

8 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Yeh until injury, poor form or otherwise strikes.

Remember that time our list was rated number one by champion data going into this year? 

I remember.

We finished second last.

Much of champion data as well as any isolated statistical analysis is about as useful as an accordion player on a deer hunt. 

 

The Champion Data nonsense frustrates me as much as anyone but my point of quoting from HPN was merely to show the different values from an independent source who's crunched some numbers. Analytics is slowly but importantly coming in to footy and a lesson from other sports is that the draft and player exchange period is where that often starts.

Coaches don't want geeks telling them how to run a gameplan but they'll listen when there's stats that show that drafting or recruiting a certain player is far more valuable than some other player. Even more so when it's pick for pick trades that aren't even attached to a certain player.

I don't think Langdon's worth anything like pick 6. A 2nd rounder makes sense. But I was surprised to see him rate so highly.