Peter Jackson's Replacement?

[Deestar9 1,772]

8 hours ago, Blinkybill said:

So well regarded by the AFL that he was dropped like a hot spud. In my experience there is always more to the story than comes to light. I’ll bet my house that it wasn’t just the affair, but the way he behaved throughout. Odds are his performance suffered as did his relations with other staff.

There’s  also the potential effect on sponsorships. No, Lethlean is fatally damaged goods, and we don’t want him. GDC also has AFL experience and hasn’t put a foot wrong with the Demons. And he has a clean slate. He’s miles ahead of Lethlean.

See the trouble is you have no idea what happened & so jump to Ill informed conclusions.  The thing is ....it was “just an affair” with a consenting adult ....not really our business ...only affects the people involved and they have to live with it and the repercussions.  Don’t care if he comes to the Dees or not ...I just want the best possible person & if it is him ...then so be it.  He is a human being who made a gross error of judgement ....not  for us too judge & yes I do know what happened & can categorically state it was what it was so you can throw your “conspiracy” theory out the window. 

 

8 hours ago, Blinkybill said:

So well regarded by the AFL that he was dropped like a hot spud. In my experience there is always more to the story than comes to light. I’ll bet my house that it wasn’t just the affair, but the way he behaved throughout. Odds are his performance suffered as did his relations with other staff.

There’s  also the potential effect on sponsorships. No, Lethlean is fatally damaged goods, and we don’t want him. GDC also has AFL experience and hasn’t put a foot wrong with the Demons. And he has a clean slate. He’s miles ahead of Lethlean.

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,515]

On Footy Classified last night Caroline Wilson gave an update.  She said the club is plugging for Josh Mahoney as CEO but because of our 'financial position' the AFL wants to call the shots.   I reckon that is AFL speak to keep us on their leash.

We may not like what she writes at times but she gets excellent inside info from the AFL.  She played a weekend interview with Goodwin and he sounded strongly behind Mahoney and talked about our succession planning. 

I think she said we have engaged a 'head hunting' firm - not sure if that was to help get Mahoney over the line or to be able to demonstrate due process and good governance have been followed.

At the end of the day, I would like us to control our own destiny and strongly feel our Board should be allowed to choose the best person for the job.   I strongly support the idea of succession planning and promotion from within.

I will be filthy if we end up with an AFL's 'job for the boys' appointment.

[Demon17 5,227]

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

On Footy Classified last night Caroline Wilson gave an update.  She said the club is plugging for Josh Mahoney as CEO but because of our 'financial position' the AFL wants to call the shots.   I reckon that is AFL speak to keep us on their leash.

I think she said we have engaged a 'head hunting' firm - not sure if that was to help get Mahoney over the line or to be able to demonstrate due process and good governance have been followed.

   I strongly support the idea of succession planning and promotion from within.

I will be filthy if we end up with an AFL's 'job for the boys' appointment.

Chairman Glenn Bartlett is former Managing Partner of Australia toughest Tier 1 legal firm Clayton Utz.

I reckon he'll have  Gill covered.

[Slartibartfast 17,994]

13 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

I will be filthy if we end up with an AFL's 'job for the boys' appointment.

 

You can be filthy but the "AFL jobs for the boys" landed us Peter Jackson.  As for being on the AFL "leash" it's been a pretty good ride so far.

 

[Lucifers Hero 40,515]

Just now, Baghdad Bob said:

You can be filthy but the "AFL jobs for the boys" landed us Peter Jackson.  As for being on the AFL "leash" it's been a pretty good ride so far.

Fair comments. 

My objection is if the AFL override's MFC's first choice, which was the tone of the FC discussion last night.

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On 5/26/2018 at 1:06 PM, ProDee said:

If after a rigorous process he's the best man for the job appoint him.

I think some of the office staff thought he was extremely rigorous at certain aspects of office life.

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Just now, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fair comments. 

My objection is if the AFL override's MFC's first choice, which was the tone of the FC discussion last night.

I understand the sentiment but if they override it they will do it for good reason.  I'm in no position to know who would be best appointment but they got PJ right.

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2 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fair comments. 

My objection is if the AFL override's MFC's first choice, which was the tone of the FC discussion last night.

I will be very disappointed should this happen. I had thought we'd moved on from those days and had a fully functioning Board and administration. If the AFL override the MFC, then clearly we are not as independent as I had thought we had become. Mind you, it's a pretty big "if".

[La Dee-vina Comedia 17,015]

1 minute ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I understand the sentiment but if they override it they will do it for good reason.  I'm in no position to know who would be best appointment but they got PJ right.

They did, but that was back in the days when we couldn't manage to break an egg.

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If PJ supports it I'd be amazed if the AFL didn't let it stand. 

 

[DV8 2,271]

5 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Fair comments. 

My objection is if the AFL override's MFC's first choice, which was the tone of the FC discussion last night.

We've been in the past, shooting ourselves in the foot from board level;.... and I have no confidence that we will EVER get great footy board people, as long as its connected with the MCC.

 

I do not want any board members connected to the MCC.   i want footy people with great business sense;,,, but mostly, a deep understanding of footy and footy clubs.

 

stuff the stuffiness...  as gentlemen Jim wanted.

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33 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

I understand the sentiment but if they override it they will do it for good reason.  I'm in no position to know who would be best appointment but they got PJ right.

 

30 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

If PJ supports it I'd be amazed if the AFL didn't let it stand. 

 

I'm with you 'Bob', the only thing I will add is that it was Demetrio (personal involvement) that got PJ on board and I'm not sure Dill has the same acumen.

I just hope he follows PJ's lead on this he (PJ) hasn't got much wrong so far.

[old dee 24,001]

34 minutes ago, DV8 said:

We've been in the past, shooting ourselves in the foot from board level;.... and I have no confidence that we will EVER get great footy board people, as long as its connected with the MCC.

 

I do not want any board members connected to the MCC.   i want footy people with great business sense;,,, but mostly, a deep understanding of footy and footy clubs.

 

stuff the stuffiness...  as gentlemen Jim wanted.

Hmm the gentlemen Jim era did not exactly go well. A great player and a great person who no doubt saved us from immediate destruction however his blind decision to continue after his health went south almost cost us our existence. The current board has got us to this point I am prepared To trust them. 

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Mahoney has been excellent. Some might think it’s a tad early but he will get there soon enough. We might lose him to another club if we don’t reward him now

[Blinkybill 276]

Anyone but Lethlean. Not only for his totally inappropriate dalliances, but fir his arrogant assumption he would walk into the Carlton or St Kilda CEO jobs. Let St Kilda keep him.

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42 minutes ago, Blinkybill said:

Anyone but Lethlean. Not only for his totally inappropriate dalliances, but fir his arrogant assumption he would walk into the Carlton or St Kilda CEO jobs. Let St Kilda keep him.

What about a Lethlean, Macnamee joint ticket.

Bring back table top dancing in the board room I say.

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Hmm the gentlemen Jim era did not exactly go well. A great player and a great person who no doubt saved us from immediate destruction however his blind decision to continue after his health went south almost cost us our existence. The current board has got us to this point I am prepared To trust them. 

"Gentleman Jim" wanted to rid the club of stuffiness.

so do i.

 

Jimma wasn't a great businessman, nor a great list coordinator, but he had the passion to try to take the club in the right decision.

But that went wrong...  at the hands of many.  The wrong people;,,,  but no worse that getting it wrong in the early 2000's, or for decades earlier than that.

In fact we've been getting it wrong since the 'end of time' Smithy days.

 

But this thread isn't about the 'Jimmas' of the club.

 

This is about the handover from (AFL endorsed) PJ... to whoever...   Hopefully AFL endorsed.

 

I trust the AFL's acumen, in finding better Footy people to do the job,  than our boards of the past 50Yrs_

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

Mahoney has been excellent. Some might think it’s a tad early but he will get there soon enough. We might lose him to another club if we don’t reward him now

Why do we always live in fear of loss at Melbourne.

This is one of the same fears,,, of recruiting blemished talented players;  and of out of contract players on our list. may leave, IF...

 

The same fears carry over, to turn us negative at matches, when things are tough,,, and we have to climb our way back into a game. 

We have to overcome this, just as the players have to overcome their fears and negatives, as they are taking hold.

 

Mahoney will do whats right for him, anyway...  sometimes that "old acquaintance" thingy,  takes too much toll on us all.   And spoils our output.

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29 minutes ago, DV8 said:

"Gentleman Jim" wanted to rid the club of stuffiness.

so do i.

 

Jimma wasn't a great businessman, nor a great list coordinator, but he had the passion to try to take the club in the right decision.

But that went wrong...  at the hands of many.  The wrong people;,,,  but no worse that getting it wrong in the early 2000's, or for decades earlier than that.

In fact we've been getting it wrong since the 'end of time' Smithy days.

 

But this thread isn't about the 'Jimmas' of the club.

 

This is about the handover from (AFL endorsed) PJ... to whoever...   Hopefully AFL endorsed.

 

I trust the AFL's acumen, in finding better Footy people to do the job,  than our boards of the past 50Yrs_

Ancient history this board is a good one. They will make the right decision.

[Mach5 4,768]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

 

I'm with you 'Bob', the only thing I will add is that it was Demetrio (personal involvement) that got PJ on board and I'm not sure Dill has the same acumen.

I just hope he follows PJ's lead on this he (PJ) hasn't got much wrong so far.

 

The AFL planted the seed.

Jonesy got PJ on board.

[Its Time for Another 4,303]

This business of the AFL dictating the CEO's of the MFC to the Board is a furphy.

I've spoken to several Board members over the journey who are adamant the Board made the final decision on PJ not the AFL. Demetrio found him and put him forward after being asked by the Board for any suggestions but they had the capacity to go with someone else if they wanted to. Having said that, I'm sure if the AFL thought their choice was bad they would have said something. Luckily for us the Board listened to them.  

Given the footy dept looks very settled hopefully for the next 5-10 years the major job of the next CEO will be ensuring the long term financial security of the Club. First decision which will effect the next 20-30 yrs will be how they utilise the money from the Bentleigh Club and the Leighoak etc. The second will be growing memberships and sponsorships. That is going to require very smart marketing knowledge. Is Mahoney the right man for that?  I'd be guessing de Crepny would be more skilled in that area. 

Maybe after that's all setup you can go back to a footy based CEO for the future transition of the footy dept. 

 

 

 

 

[poita 3,908]

On 5/26/2018 at 8:42 AM, samcantstandya said:

He was an ex hockey player who came 2 the game late. He had a bigger turning circle than the Queen Mary, couldn't read the ball in flight & had poor footy IQ. The fact he played 100 odd games is more a reflection of how crap we were. 

What a load of garbage. The guy was in our 2000 grand final side, plus was a regular in the 2004 side that was on top of the ladder after 18 games. He was a very solid key defender in his best years, and lost a few years out of his prime to injury.

That said, I doubt that he is the right person for this job.

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17 minutes ago, poita said:

What a load of garbage. The guy was in our 2000 grand final side, plus was a regular in the 2004 side that was on top of the ladder after 18 games. He was a very solid key defender in his best years, and lost a few years out of his prime to injury.

That said, I doubt that he is the right person for this job.

Just like a certain body part, everyone has an opinion. I disagree with yours. 

[DV8 2,271]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Ancient history this board is a good one. They will make the right decision.

The people making it good were/are being aided by the AFL's help.   WE do not know how good it is, without their support.

The AFL have had a much bigger influence on getting us back on track, than is known.

 

The media are aware of it, and are calling on the AFL to do the same, with Carlton, and the Suns.

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1 hour ago, DV8 said:

The people making it good were/are being aided by the AFL's help.   WE do not know how good it is, without their support.

The AFL have had a much bigger influence on getting us back on track, than is known.

 

The media are aware of it, and are calling on the AFL to do the same, with Carlton, and the Suns.

I’m far from convinced that the AFL has a monopoly on football management intelligence. 

I trust our current board to make the right decision unprompted by the AFL.