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44 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

It'll be covered by Freo as it's a workplace injury.

Whether Freo goes after the Eagles could be interesting.. there would of course be insurers involved and it may well be the same insurer but even then due to reinsurers etc you might still see a case.

At 100k though my guess is that it wouldn't really be worth pursuing.

Going after Gaff would be highly unusual in a workplace environment.

You know what insurers are like they’ll only fork out for the bare minimum and not necessarily the ongoing costs.

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    15 minutes ago, Deefiant said:

    Did you listen to Gus on the AFL exchange. He was [censored] and rightfully so. I would expect there would be a fair few issues that need to be worked through if mfc was to offer Gaff a contract

    He was [censored] off, no doubt about it. But let's also remember that this is 2 days after the incident, and emotions are still running very high. Gus also spoke about how hard it is to be in Melbourne when the rest of his family is on Perth (except Will, who is in Afghanistan).

    I get the feeling, once he has spoken to both Andrew and Hamish, his parents and Gaff himself, and a bit of time has passed, then he may be willing to forgive

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    1 minute ago, Nasher said:

    Odd feeling of feeling very sad for Gaff and that justice has been served at the same time. 

    Don’t think we need to feel sad for Gaff. Andrew is gonna suffer for a long time. A footy suspension is not a big deal in the context of what Andrew is going through. 

    But I understand where you’re coming from. 

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    9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

    Nothing solid. Just the usual media linking an uncontracted ex-Victorian interstate player with a few Melbourne based clubs with "room" in the cap. We're one of those clubs. As usual a lot of wishful thinking on here that he is a shoe in to come to us. North, Saints & Blues also a chance. 

    I think it helps that we're entering premiership mode and could also very much use an outside gutrunner with good skills. 

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    1 minute ago, Jaded said:

    Don’t think we need to feel sad for Gaff. Andrew is gonna suffer for a long time. A footy suspension is not a big deal in the context of what Andrew is going through. 

    But I understand where you’re coming from. 

    Yeah, I know. Just got hit with a surge of “I f***ed up real bad and didn’t mean to and now everyone hates me” when I saw his reaction - I have had that feeling before in my life. Just my empathy acting up - I’m well aware that he isn’t the victim.

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    13 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

    Totally agree. I don't know why there are people who think Gaff is straight to Melbourne, like what he did means nothing. Gus and his family have to come first.

    More hyperbole.

    No one said what Gaff did means nothing or that Gus and his family won't be considered and consulted. But these are professionals who will work together and with time, will get on with footy .

    I'd be disappointed if Gaff wanted to be a Dee and Gus refused to accept his apology and didnt move on from it.

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    Just now, Moonshadow said:

    More hyperbole.

    No one said what Gaff did means nothing or that Gus and his family won't be considered and consulted. But these are professionals who will work together and with time, will get on with footy .

    I'd be disappointed if Gaff wanted to be a Dee and Gus refused to accept his apology and didnt move on from it.

    No one says it means nothing more than this post here. Gaff should consider himself extremely grateful if any Brayshaw is willing to forgive him, let alone accept him as a team member.

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    10 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    Odd feeling of feeling very sad for Gaff and that justice has been served at the same time. 

    Well he aint Barry what's sis name??

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    3 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

    No one says it means nothing more than this post here. Gaff should consider himself extremely grateful if any Brayshaw is willing to forgive him, let alone accept him as a team member.

    If someone king hit my brother and smashed his teeth, and then ran away, i would want nothing more to do with them. 

    Pure and Simple 

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    16 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

    More hyperbole.

    No one said what Gaff did means nothing or that Gus and his family won't be considered and consulted. But these are professionals who will work together and with time, will get on with footy .

    I'd be disappointed if Gaff wanted to be a Dee and Gus refused to accept his apology and didnt move on from it.

    Won't happen! Gaff clearly is very moved by his actions, Yep stuffed up big time! But first time EVER!

    Massive error of judgment, brain fade ? Whatever, clearly shattered 

    His club , however, ????

    Andrew Brayshaw is suffering and I know as I had some reconstructive surgery occurring as result of on field, but off the ball hit!

    In scheme of things … it could have been worse. It wasn't !

    If Family are prepared to at least understand and in time Forgive and young Andrew has no lasting physical and Mental injury. 

    Well whilst not ideal..

    Let Gaff work through his 8 weeks and play again

    Aside from whether it be with MFC or not

    One shizen decision should not define a man! No one died!

    As Rob Flower said 

    Life goes on!

    The Brayshaw family very very strong! I salute them for solidarity 

     

     

    Edited by picket fence

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    3 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

    If someone king hit my brother and smashed his teeth, and then ran away, i would want nothing more to do with them. 

    Pure and Simple 

    Gus was pretty cut up on the podcast today as well. People need to respect what he's going through.

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    1 hour ago, chook fowler said:

    I reckon Gaff and/or Methcoast should bear financial responsibility for the many years of dental work to follow - could easily be more than $100,000 for implants and the like.

    I have had a couple of implants over the years at about 3 to 5k each. Not cheap but not $100K I think. Just for the record. 

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    Just now, ShaneJ said:

    Gus was pretty cut up on the podcast today as well. People need to respect what he's going through.

    Is there a link? I would like to hear what Gus has to say

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    1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Have a think guys and gals.... even if he hugs the Brayshaw family I think he will upon further reflection go to a non Brayshaw club just to save everyone the uncomfortable nature of being team mates.

    The old clean slate theory. North may get their star after all.

    Hardly a Brayshaw free club...

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    1 hour ago, Diamond_Jim said:

    Have a think guys and gals.... even if he hugs the Brayshaw family I think he will upon further reflection go to a non Brayshaw club just to save everyone the uncomfortable nature of being team mates.

    The old clean slate theory. North may get their star after all.

    Unfortunately  I agree but hope this is not the case

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    Obviously feel for Gus, Andrew and his family but Gaff clearly had a brain fade and has been remorseful since. The power of forgiveness is a wonderful thing for which in time Angus will find this.

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    13 minutes ago, Nasher said:

    Odd feeling of feeling very sad for Gaff and that justice has been served at the same time. 

    In my mind (and yours might be different) that is because I think he's fully deserving of a long stint on the sideline but not nearly as deserving of some of the media hounding and vitriol he has received. It should mostly die down now but it won't.

    It's why I think a fairer punishment would've been until the end of the season, not a number of weeks, which would allow him to start fresh next year. I'm not sure that helps him or Andy Brayshaw given I bet the incident is replayed repeatedly before his 'comeback'.

    Unfortunately the tribunal revolves around outcomes and the number of weeks. There's this focus that somehow 5, 8 or 12 weeks means something in particular and that it had to be 'x amount' of weeks.

    To me that isn't justice at all really. When you commit a crime the justice isn't only the sentence but the acknowledgement from the judge of the factors involved and a path to rehabilitation. It might just be the reporting but it would've been nice to see more focus from the Tribunal in a case like this that they'll punish Gaff with x amount of weeks, but also he has had a clean record for 174 games, it was a split second incident and he's welcome back in the game at the end of his suspension.

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    29 minutes ago, ShaneJ said:

    No one says it means nothing more than this post here. Gaff should consider himself extremely grateful if any Brayshaw is willing to forgive him, let alone accept him as a team member.

    Of course Gaff should feel grateful if they forgave him, that's part of offering a sincere apology and (hopefully) recieving forgiveness. Andrew Brayshaw is clearly the victim and no one condones what happened to him, but let's not forget that Gaff is suffering too and extremely remorseful. His presser after the verdict is evidence of this. 

    I would hope in time Gus could forgive Gaff and get on with footy, with or without him in his team. He's a strong character, I think he will, would be saddened if he didn't.

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    It was Ross Lyon that gave Gaff the 4 coaches votes!!

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-07/theres-no-winners-here-lyon-on-gaff-ban

    Lyon was clearly emotional in his press conf but didn't let that affect his judgement.  Second best on the ground, he said so he got the 4 votes.

    Simpson on the other hand didn't give him a single vote - didn't rate Gaff's game/performance. 

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    4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    It was Ross Lyon that gave Gaff the 4 coaches votes!!

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-07/theres-no-winners-here-lyon-on-gaff-ban

    Lyon was clearly emotional in his press conf but didn't let that affect his judgement.  Second best on the ground, he said so he got the 4 votes.

    Simpson on the other hand didn't give him a single vote - didn't rate Gaff's game/performance. 

    Lyon giving the 4 votes was the other only logical possibility than WCE coach having done so.  No way it could have been a split vote as I think IDee pointed out.  I am pleasantly surprised it was this way around. Credit to both.

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    7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

    It was Ross Lyon that gave Gaff the 4 coaches votes!!

    http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-07/theres-no-winners-here-lyon-on-gaff-ban

    Lyon was clearly emotional in his press conf but didn't let that affect his judgement.  Second best on the ground, he said so he got the 4 votes.

    Simpson on the other hand didn't give him a single vote - didn't rate Gaff's game/performance. 

    And this is why it’s always a good idea to not make assumptions and fly off the handle before the facts are presented. 

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    A lot of people here seem to still want Gaff at MFC. And that’s cool. I’m however just feeling a bit uneasy about it right now. I’m sure that will change in time and by the end of the season I’ll probably want him again but I just think about the ramifications this could have on Gaff’s state of mind in the game, how Gus would feel if he were brought into the fold and also the media circus that might gather round our club. I’ve been so happy to not be involved in too many of those lately and kind of want to keep it that way.

    Happy to admit I might be overreacting here and like I said I might have a different view in a few weeks but his is just how I feel right now. Sorry if it’s not popular 

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