Isn't the point of forums to contribute any point we feel is relevant (though not bigoted)... censorship I can do without, but much like TV, if you dont like the show - go to another thread, threads don't have to be opened if you don't like the topic.

On a side note, people are also allowed to write with vindication, naivety, self righteousness, calmness, compassion and information they think they know from people who may or may not be in the know. It's all ok... - play the ball, not the man.

 

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:16, Ugottobekidding said:

Be surprised if he makes it too the finals. Has very little impact. I' say Watts is at the crossroads. Does he want it or doesn't he?

It’s difficult to judge Port’s forward line while Paddy is injured (I think he’s back this week though) as Dixon has had to ruck and that other young kid (Marshall I think) is out with personal leave, meaning Watts was there no.1 almost and he never does well in that circumstance.

i just hope he keeps his spot so we can see him line up against us in a Friday night game (it’ll be an interesting dynamic to watch).

It would solve the censorship etc problems if the forum software had an 'ignore thread' option.  Then those who don't want to read stuff about Watts could put this one on ignore and not be tempted to click on it.

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:43, jumbo returns said:

Other threads have been shut down

Why not this one? Or, are we pandering to the cave bound, socially inept trolls who struggle with a social contract?

Jumbo I don't like Fox news, shut it down or ignore? Andrew Bolt shut him down or ignore? Left or right wing extremists? I choose to ignore them but let them have a their say no problems. I don't think censoring idiots makes them go away.

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:22, hemingway said:

I'm not a fan of censorship, but really this thread should be closed down. It does no one any credit to be banging on about Jack. Just demeaning diatribe about an ex-player.   It should stop. 

We should talk about our current crop of players like Spargo and Fritsch.  Anyone but Watts. 

There are 21 threads on Demonland's main page.  There are 12 I've never opened.

No-one is forcing you to keep coming back to this thread.

  On 29/04/2018 at 11:25, nutbean said:

I’m not sure what playing in September has to do with this argument and whether or not we will.

All i am seeing is pretty much the same as he gave at our club. I’m not seeing a miracle transformation. I wish him well but the first six games away from us has not seen him find a hunger for the ball that he didnt have with us for a large percentage of his career.

If we appreciate Watts, all we can do is to wish him well, and so be it. The statistics seem to indicate that Bailey F is doing OK at his age and stage of development, whereas Jack W seems to have plateaued, once again. 

  On 30/04/2018 at 03:10, ProDee said:

There are 21 threads on Demonland's main page.  There are 12 I've never opened.

No-one is forcing you to keep coming back to this thread.

Precisely, but we do keep coming back to check out a former player; must be a slice of patriotism in some way. 

  On 30/04/2018 at 03:10, ProDee said:

There are 21 threads on Demonland's main page.  There are 12 I've never opened.

No-one is forcing you to keep coming back to this thread.

Yeah yeah

  On 30/04/2018 at 03:45, hemingway said:

Yeah yeah

at least though ernie, having this thread is a great way to identify the nuff nuffs

  On 30/04/2018 at 03:09, ManDee said:

Jumbo I don't like Fox news, shut it down or ignore? Andrew Bolt shut him down or ignore? Left or right wing extremists? I choose to ignore them but let them have a their say no problems. I don't think censoring idiots makes them go away.

Yes and no - probably a good conversation to have after we win the premiership - over Port!

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by jumbo returns

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:42, hemingway said:

True ManDee, I guess I just get annoyed at seeing the thread pop-up all the time, and the general level of bile directed at a guy that does not deserve the hate. (in fact no-one does other than child molesters and politicians)  

That is what irks me about this thread.  It is nearly always 'bumped' by people to put him down and to bait other posters to defend him.  It is not very becoming of them. 

I no longer discuss Jack's games as it is just feeds the trolls. 

If this thread was locked a new one would pop up within a few days or the weekly 'Non MFC Games' thread would be derailed. 

Best to contain the spitefulness to one thread.

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Fritsch is already a better player than him. 

Prove me wrong.

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:56, Stretch Johnson said:

I think there has been a lot of argument that Watts is who he is because of the MFC.

Or that Watts just needed to be cuddled, cajoled, coached or collaborated into brilliance.

And that his lack of intensity was some sort of football genius that was misinterpreted by mere mortals.

I agree that it these have all been debunked, and its time for this to all be put to bed.

i like Fritsch.

I started the first thread questioning his intensity before he played a senior game, and was absolutely howled down for it.    Could bookend JW's Demonland career @Nasher ?

 

el gato Fritz  >>>  wattshisface.

  On 30/04/2018 at 02:22, hemingway said:

I'm not a fan of censorship, but really this thread should be closed down. It does no one any credit to be banging on about Jack. Just demeaning diatribe about an ex-player.   It should stop. 

We should talk about our current crop of players like Spargo and Fritsch.  Anyone but Watts. 

Hemingway, live your work but have a rare disagreement on this one. 

I love Jack Watts, I wish him the best and hope he does well at his new club. I agree with you about people denigrating him. It’s disappointing. 

However, I am interested in our list now and part of that is the ins and outs and Fritsch is the player we got with the pick for Watts. It is interesting to see what Fritsch has brought into he team and what we lost with Watts. These stats give a good indication of that and they paint a very good picture 

  On 30/04/2018 at 05:37, It's Time said:

Hemingway, live your work but have a rare disagreement on this one. 

I love Jack Watts, I wish him the best and hope he does well at his new club. I agree with you about people denigrating him. It’s disappointing. 

However, I am interested in our list now and part of that is the ins and outs and Fritsch is the player we got with the pick for Watts. It is interesting to see what Fritsch has brought into he team and what we lost with Watts. These stats give a good indication of that and they paint a very good picture 

Do you have a breakdown?

  On 30/04/2018 at 05:37, It's Time said:

Hemingway, live your work but have a rare disagreement on this one. 

I love Jack Watts, I wish him the best and hope he does well at his new club. I agree with you about people denigrating him. It’s disappointing. 

However, I am interested in our list now and part of that is the ins and outs and Fritsch is the player we got with the pick for Watts. It is interesting to see what Fritsch has brought into he team and what we lost with Watts. These stats give a good indication of that and they paint a very good picture 

Thanks for your comments.

I understand your thought process regarding the Fritsch and Watts comparison, but I really don't see the point. The former is the future and the latter the past.

I guess given the thousands of words about Jack over the years, I am just heartily sick of on-going reference to him. 

I was a Jack supporter but now recognize he is best gone. 

I would prefer to see any discussion about Fritsch's game and his bright future simply stand alone.

He is not Jack and he does not play like Jack.  

And I think we all recognize that we have gained more than we lost. 

  On 30/04/2018 at 05:40, Danelska said:

Do you have a breakdown?

See the link in a post about 13 hours ago

  On 30/04/2018 at 05:37, It's Time said:

Hemingway, live your work but have a rare disagreement on this one. 

I love Jack Watts, I wish him the best and hope he does well at his new club. I agree with you about people denigrating him. It’s disappointing. 

However, I am interested in our list now and part of that is the ins and outs and Fritsch is the player we got with the pick for Watts. It is interesting to see what Fritsch has brought into he team and what we lost with Watts. These stats give a good indication of that and they paint a very good picture 

I think your point would be valid if they weren't playing a similar role. 

It is uncanny that the pick traded for was used to pick up a third tall,slender type, smooth moving forward  with great disposal. Point of difference being that Fritsch watches the ball into the hands both on the ground,  but especially in the air. 

Fritsch also appears football focussed, is appreciative of his opportunity and has some humility. 

Fritsch will end up a better Watts than Watts will ever be. 

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by Guest

  On 30/04/2018 at 07:09, Stretch Johnson said:

I think your point would be valid if they weren't playing a similar role. 

It is uncanny that the pick traded for was used to pick up a third tall,slender type, smooth moving forward  with great disposal. Point of difference being that Fritsch watches the ball into the hands both on the ground,  but especially in the air. 

Fritsch also appears football focussed, is appreciative of his opportunity and has some humility. 

Fritsch will end up a better Watts than Watts will ever be. 

except for when he doesn't - a la spilt mark in defensive 50 when free...but that'd be me being a nit picking [censored] to prove a point.

  On 30/04/2018 at 03:05, sue said:

It would solve the censorship etc problems if the forum software had an 'ignore thread' option.  Then those who don't want to read stuff about Watts could put this one on ignore and not be tempted to click on it.

Other option would be to bundle this and other threads into a "where are they now" thread. 

I have to confess, I usually check on Port, not so much for Watts, but to see how our other exes (Trengove and Barry) are doing.

  On 30/04/2018 at 08:56, bing181 said:

Other option would be to bundle this and other threads into a "where are they now" thread. 

I have to confess, I usually check on Port, not so much for Watts, but to see how our other exes (Trengove and Barry) are doing.

Don't forget our own Ollie Wines, Jimmy Toumpas.

Player Statistics Comparison   Jack Watts Name Bayley Fritsch Port Adelaide Power Team Melbourne Demons Forward Position Forward 159 Career Games 5 Sandringham Dragons Origin Casey Demons March 26, 1991 Date of Birth December 6, 1996 27yr 1mth Age 21yr 4mth 196cm Height 188cm 88kg Weight 81kg 2008 National Draft Last Drafted In 2017 National Draft Round 1, Pick #1 Last Draft Position Round 2, Pick #31 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2018 Stats for Season 2018 6 Games 5 7.5 Kicks Per Game 7.8 6.5 Handballs Per Game 4.0 14.0 Disposals Per Game 11.8 4.2 Marks Per Game 4.4 1.3 Goals Per Game 1.4 1.0 Behinds Per Game 0.8 3.3 Tackles Per Game 2.4 0 Hitouts Per Game 0 1.3 Inside 50s Per Game 3.2 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0.4 0.7 Frees For Per Game 1.0 0.5 Frees Against Per Game 0.4 3.5 Contested Possessions Per Game 5.4 10.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 6.6 10.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 8.4 75% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 71.2% 1.2 Clangers Per Game 1.4 0.2 Contested Marks Per Game 1.2 1.5 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 1.4 0.3 Clearances Per Game 0.4 0.3 Rebound 50s Per Game 0.2 0.7 One Percenters Per Game 2.6 0 Bounces Per Game 0.6 82.2 Time On Ground % Per Game 78.2 0.3 Centre Clearances Per Game 0 0 Stoppage Clearances Per Game 0.4 5.0 Score Involvements Per Game 4.2 143.7 Metres Gained Per Game 257.4 2.0 Turnovers Per Game 2.4 1.0 Intercepts Per Game 1.8 1.3 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game 0.8 $490,000 AFL Fantasy Price $344,000 69.5 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 63.2 $375,400 Supercoach Price $238,000 69.0 Supercoach Score Per Game 64.8

Edited April 30, 20186 yr by ManDee
Table from footywire.com

I did an interesting comparison of Jack Watts this year with Jack Watts at Fritch's age. Watts was better as a 21-22 year old! -

Player Statistics Comparison   Jack Watts Name Jack Watts Port Adelaide Power Team Port Adelaide Power Forward Position Forward 159 Career Games 159 Sandringham Dragons Origin Sandringham Dragons March 26, 1991 Date of Birth March 26, 1991 27yr 1mth Age Turned 21 in 2012 196cm Height 196cm 88kg Weight 88kg 2008 National Draft Last Drafted In 2008 National Draft Round 1, Pick #1 Last Draft Position Round 1, Pick #1 Melbourne Demons Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2018 Stats for Season 2012 6 Games 15 7.5 Kicks Per Game 9.9 6.5 Handballs Per Game 8.6 14.0 Disposals Per Game 18.5 4.2 Marks Per Game 5.5 1.3 Goals Per Game 0.3 1.0 Behinds Per Game 0.1 3.3 Tackles Per Game 1.5 0 Hitouts Per Game 0.1 1.3 Inside 50s Per Game 1.4 0.3 Goal Assists Per Game 0.3 0.7 Frees For Per Game 0.7 0.5 Frees Against Per Game 0.9 3.5 Contested Possessions Per Game 7.5 10.3 Uncontested Possessions Per Game 10.5 10.5 Effective Disposals Per Game 15.0 75% Disposal Efficiency % Per Game 81.1% 1.2 Clangers Per Game 2.1 0.2 Contested Marks Per Game 1.3 1.5 Marks Inside 50 Per Game 0.1 0.3 Clearances Per Game 0.7 0.3 Rebound 50s Per Game 2.8 0.7 One Percenters Per Game 3.1 0 Bounces Per Game 0.3 82.2 Time On Ground % Per Game 85.1 0.3 Centre Clearances Per Game   0 Stoppage Clearances Per Game   5.0 Score Involvements Per Game   143.7 Metres Gained Per Game   2.0 Turnovers Per Game   1.0 Intercepts Per Game   1.3 Tackles Inside 50 Per Game   69.5 AFL Fantasy Score Per Game 70.0 69.0 Supercoach Score Per Game 86.0

 

  On 21/11/2017 at 10:23, Dr.D said:

Surely this thread is a wind up? There's more chance pick 31 will do more damage in year 1 than Watts doing much more than 12 possessions and a goal a game.

Okay, I don't mean to pump my own tyres up but this statement has proved to be correct so far and any poster who suggested that we were going to be haunted by losing Watts should be kicked off this forum for not knowing footy. 'Vineytime', 'Picketfence', 'Treox' and about 100 other posters should be ashamed. It's supporters like you that we have a weak culture, accepting guys that squib the contest. 
Unless you guys are ecstatic with Watts' 14 possessions and 1 goal a game average in a team sitting % out of the top 4 ?