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[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

58 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

I suppose the point I was trying to make is that given the annual turnover of the big clubs a premiership is nice from a cash viewpoint but not a panacea. Rather you need sustained success and several premierships such as Hawthorn have delivered.

Will be interested to see how Geelong's stadium deal goes from a financial viewpoint. They have a "clean" stadium so they get all the ground advertising but of course they have only about 8 games at the stadium.

And all the food and drinks

Corporate Catering

Jeelong make a packet on every home game, which is why they do not need to sell tickets to the away club

We are an after thought to them

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8 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

And all the food and drinks

Corporate Catering

Jeelong make a packet on every home game, which is why they do not need to sell tickets to the away club

We are an after thought to them

While every other club was trying to get out of suburbia, Geelong stayed local. Smartest move they ever made.

Not every match will attract 50k plus. The AFL needs to purchase Etihad quick smart and proceed to reopen some redeveloped suburban grounds. Not all of them but a few for the off Broadway fixtures.

Edited October 26, 2017 by Colin B. Flaubert

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,787]

13 hours ago, Colin B. Flaubert said:

While every other club was trying to get out of suburbia, Geelong stayed local. Smartest move they ever made.

Not every match will attract 50k plus. The AFL needs to purchase Etihad quick smart and proceed to reopen some redeveloped suburban grounds. Not all of them but a few for the off Broadway fixtures.

Colin, the AFL has purchased Etihad. I'm not sure if they've made any announcements about what they intend to do with it, though.

The idea of redeveloped suburban grounds has nostalgic appeal, but I'm not sure it's an economically viable option. How many games a year would be played at any such ground? While secondary competitions and summer sports such as cricket and soccer could also use the grounds, there is a substantial cost involved in bringing a suburban ground, such as Princes Park, up to the standard necessary to accommodate the expectations of today's football goer. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

3 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Colin, the AFL has purchased Etihad. I'm not sure if they've made any announcements about what they intend to do with it, though.

 

There was an article in the Age a few days ago about the negotiations between the AFL and St Kilda/Footscray concerning their very bad stadium deals.

It seems that while the deals will be revisited the clubs are arguing they should also be compensated for all the money they lost through the bad deal over the years. Good ambit claim and of course it ignores the equalistaion payments they got during these years.

The concern for the MFC is that if these clubs get a good deal and start making regular money out of Docklands, MFC falls further behind as our crowd numbers make most games at the MCG line ball.

Edited October 27, 2017 by Diamond_Jim

[AzzKikA 2,371]

On 10/24/2017 at 10:18 AM, Barney Rubble said:

Interesting about the new HQ.

Docklands is out of the question too much a green field site.

Stake Holders ie Council and State Government has a big say in what is available.

PJ said they are looking for a CBD site close to The "G"

Now unless it is The "G" or a redeevlopment of Yarra Park to incorporate a new training, Gym and Social facility, I cant think of any CBD site close to the "G" that could handle it

Training on the train tracks?

[Barney Rubble 1,576]

On 10/26/2017 at 8:01 AM, --coach-- said:

I’ve often wondered about Fawkner Park?

Not what you call CBD or Near to MCG. Probably just a bit too fara walk from the new Domain Train Station whenever that gets completed

They have been dealing with Melbourne council. Stonnington hasn't been mentioned.

[DaveyDee 421]

3 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

 MFC falls further behind as our crowd numbers make most games at the MCG line ball.

Source ? Break even amount at MCG? What other incentives do MCC trust provide us? 

[jnrmac 20,090]

On 10/27/2017 at 4:18 PM, DaveyDee said:

Source ? Break even amount at MCG? What other incentives do MCC trust provide us? 

This is a few years out of date now but break even for us was just under 20,000 at the G. In contrast Geelong with a clean stadium make around $500k on a 20000 crowd. Similar to West Coast.

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

19 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

This is a few years out of date now but break even for us was just under 20,000 at the G. In contrast Geelong with a clean stadium make around $500k on a 20000 crowd. Similar to West Coast.

thanks for that jnrmac.... I had thought the break even was around 30k for the MCG but you are probably right.

Those figures for Geelong are scary but I assume they pick up the annual stadium maintenance costs which in our case are borne by the MCC.

It is important that fans understand stadium economics. After one hits the break even point every extra attendee is almost pure profit. The reserved seat revenue is also an incredible money spinner for the bigger clubs. Take Adelaide... it has more members than seats available at the Adelaide Oval. People literally assign their seats to friends etc if they are not using them  for a year or two because they fear the long waiting list to regain their seat.

Personally I love going to MFC games and having several rows of seats to myself and being able to move in and out of the sun as the mood takes me but it is a spiral to financial irrelevancy.

Dare I say and please don't shoot the messenger but MFC could be better off at a boutique 30k seat stadium along the lines Eddie McGuire was spruiking a year or so back.

[old dee 23,792]

On 27/10/2017 at 3:08 PM, Barney Rubble said:

Not what you call CBD or Near to MCG. Probably just a bit too fara walk from the new Domain Train Station whenever that gets completed

They have been dealing with Melbourne council. Stonnington hasn't been mentioned.

Stonnington would have nothing to do with anything outside of GREEN Barney.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

2 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

thanks for that jnrmac.... I had thought the break even was around 30k for the MCG but you are probably right.

Those figures for Geelong are scary but I assume they pick up the annual stadium maintenance costs which in our case are borne by the MCC.

It is important that fans understand stadium economics. After one hits the break even point every extra attendee is almost pure profit. The reserved seat revenue is also an incredible money spinner for the bigger clubs. Take Adelaide... it has more members than seats available at the Adelaide Oval. People literally assign their seats to friends etc if they are not using them  for a year or two because they fear the long waiting list to regain their seat.

Personally I love going to MFC games and having several rows of seats to myself and being able to move in and out of the sun as the mood takes me but it is a spiral to financial irrelevancy.

Dare I say and please don't shoot the messenger but MFC could be better off at a boutique 30k seat stadium along the lines Eddie McGuire was spruiking a year or so back.

No. We just need to start Winning more than we lose, which has been our fundamental problem ever since Norm Smith was sacked by a pathetic board. 

The MFC should be the biggest and most successful club going around. 

It isn’t because total Fwits have been in charge during certain times in the last 54 years. 

If you dream small a boutique stadium is all you will aspire too. 

The Melbourne Football Club should be the pride of Melbourne. 

It isn’t, but it should be

Edited October 29, 2017 by Sir Why You Little

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

30 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

No. We just need to start Winning more than we lose, which has been our fundamental problem ever since Norm Smith was sacked by a pathetic board. 

The MFC should be the biggest and most successful club going around. 

It isn’t because total Fwits have been in charge during certain times in the last 54 years. 

If you dream small a boutique stadium is all you will aspire too. 

The Melbourne Football Club should be the pride of Melbourne. 

It isn’t, but it should be

to get a substantive return at the MCG home games you need  regular (say 4 games) crowds  of 55k and on say three (non finals) occasions punch into the 70's. That is home games and does not include the blockbuster when it is an away game.

That way fans buy  reserved seats... you get corporate suites opening ... sponsorship etc.

Realistically those figures probably require a 50% rise in MFC membership at least (and I am talking real members ... not 3 game interstate members).

To achieve that following we would need 10 years of sustained success. (Finals appearances in at least 7.) In the last 50 years we have had one such period and even then there was a lot of up and down success. In both our grand final years we "fell" into the final positions so there was minimal momentum built up during the year. Must admit though... 1988 was a fun ride.

In the meantime the power house teams will go away from us. If the Dogs and Saints get a good Docklands deal they also will leave us behind.

One rung up on North but that is small comfort. Sure the AFL will give us a hand out but do we always want to be holding out the begging bowl.

Would love to make it as we are but I just cannot see us breaking the cycle.

Edited October 29, 2017 by Diamond_Jim

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

to get a substantive return at the MCG you need  regular crowds of 55k and on say three (non finals) occasions punch into the 70's.

That way fans buy  reserved seats... you get corporate suites opening ... sponsorship etc.

Realistically those figures require a 50% rise in MFC membership at least (and I am talking real members ... not 3 game interstate members).

To achieve that following we would need 10 years of sustained success. (Finals appearances in at least 7.) In the last 50 years we have had one such period and even then there was a lot of up and down success. In both our grand final years we "fell" into the final positions so there was minimal momentum built up during the year. Must admit though... 1988 was a fun ride.

In the meantime the power house teams will go away from us. If the Dogs and Saints get a good Docklands deal they also will leave us behind.

One rung up on North but that is small comfort. Sure the AFL will give us a hand out but do we always want to be holding out the begging bowl.

Would love to make it as we are but I just cannot see us breaking the cycle.

Well then i am glad you are not in charge

i never said we should make it as we are.

We are here because idiot incompetent (so called) business people were killing the club  

We allowed other clubs to step over us  

Goodwin has put his balls on the line for the MFC. It will be interesting to see who else has done the same in 2018. 

There is no excuse that the MFC cannot pull 60-70,000 fans to a game at least 6 times a year. 

Fix it

[jnrmac 20,090]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

thanks for that jnrmac.... I had thought the break even was around 30k for the MCG but you are probably right.

Those figures for Geelong are scary but I assume they pick up the annual stadium maintenance costs which in our case are borne by the MCC.

It is important that fans understand stadium economics. After one hits the break even point every extra attendee is almost pure profit. The reserved seat revenue is also an incredible money spinner for the bigger clubs. Take Adelaide... it has more members than seats available at the Adelaide Oval. People literally assign their seats to friends etc if they are not using them  for a year or two because they fear the long waiting list to regain their seat.

Personally I love going to MFC games and having several rows of seats to myself and being able to move in and out of the sun as the mood takes me but it is a spiral to financial irrelevancy.

Dare I say and please don't shoot the messenger but MFC could be better off at a boutique 30k seat stadium along the lines Eddie McGuire was spruiking a year or so back.

West Coast had a waiting list for membership of 10,000+ You pay around $35 to be on the list!

When you have a clean stadium you essentially get revenue from corporate boxes, reserved seating, advertising, food and beverege vendors, parking and general ticket sales.

Its huge. That's why tenants of the MCG get dudded. 

 

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

18 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

West Coast had a waiting list for membership of 10,000+ You pay around $35 to be on the list!

When you have a clean stadium you essentially get revenue from corporate boxes, reserved seating, advertising, food and beverege vendors, parking and general ticket sales.

Its huge. That's why tenants of the MCG get dudded. 

 

Sounds like the negotiations for the new Perth Stadium were very tense.

I see that the new Stadium manager will be selling "Stadium Memberships" like they do at Docklands.

At the new stadium which seats 50k they will have only six thousand general admission seats. The returns to West Coast could be huge. Probably not as good for Freo but they must be starting to attract the overflow like Port in Adelaide.

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/done-deal-afl-agree-to-move-to-new-perth-stadium/news-story/9d1595f25b949b221cd1300fe78cc5ba

[DaveyDee 421]

On 10/29/2017 at 12:00 PM, jnrmac said:

This is a few years out of date now but break even for us was just under 20,000 at the G. In contrast Geelong with a clean stadium make around $500k on a 20000 crowd. Similar to West Coast.

I dont think that 20K break even is correct, plus you are not taking into account MCC subsides via rent assistance and straight our donations. 

Geelong get massive help from the local, State & Federal Governments as do Richmond they have had massive assistance from State & Federal governments. 

AFL also massively assisted us via crowd redistribution/equalisation funds. 

The bottom line in AFL football is you earn your own draw, our supporters control the financial success of  our team in their own hands - on this front we have had an appalling record for decades now due to poor onfield performance. 

Start winning and all our problems will go away - a drovers dog could run an AFL team if its winning premierships. Alternatively, the best minds in the world cant run an AFL team if it does not have the money to generate on-field success. 

[DaveyDee 421]

21 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We are here because idiot incompetent (so called) business people were killing the club  

We allowed other clubs to step over us  

Absolute rubbish

21 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Fix it

Easier said than done. AFL football is a very competitive sport - you have 1 winner and 17 losers every year. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Just now, DaveyDee said:

Absolute rubbish

Easier said than done. AFL football is a very competitive sport - you have 1 winner and 17 losers every year. 

Off field this club has been belted up by too many other clubs. 

We have allowed others to overtake

incompetent management at various time. If you think that is rubbish, then you are just as delusional as all the others

[DaveyDee 421]

29 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

then you are just as delusional as all the others

No problems Gatis - I find your delusional comments as quite ironic. 

However, your heart is in the right place just your brain is all over the shop. The past cannot be altered, move on sunshine - we have a very bright future. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

22 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

No problems Gatis - I find your delusional comments as quite ironic. 

However, your heart is in the right place just your brain is all over the shop. The past cannot be altered, move on sunshine - we have a very bright future. 

Whatever. Your type have visited here before and then faded away

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

a drovers dog could run an AFL team if its winning premierships. Alternatively, the best minds in the world cant run an AFL team if it does not have the money to generate on-field success. 

Delusional is the word here, if you think the above is the keys to success or failure..

[Diamond_Jim 12,590]

1 hour ago, DaveyDee said:

I dont think that 20K break even is correct, plus you are not taking into account MCC subsides via rent assistance and straight our donations. 

Geelong get massive help from the local, State & Federal Governments as do Richmond they have had massive assistance from State & Federal governments. 

AFL also massively assisted us via crowd redistribution/equalisation funds. 

The bottom line in AFL football is you earn your own draw, our supporters control the financial success of  our team in their own hands - on this front we have had an appalling record for decades now due to poor onfield performance. 

Start winning and all our problems will go away - a drovers dog could run an AFL team if its winning premierships. Alternatively, the best minds in the world cant run an AFL team if it does not have the money to generate on-field success. 

That's the key ... we will always be on the drip feed unless we change our method of operation.

Hawthorn had 30 plus years of success to get up to some level of financial stability and it is not exactly swimming in cash.

The MCG is not an MFC discriminator as it is also used by another five Victorian based clubs as their home ground.

Anyway let's see what 2018 brings ... if we do not see finals talk of the future (next 5 years) is almost academic.

[monoccular 17,431]

On 24/10/2017 at 6:30 PM, hemingway said:

Love and hate are unstoppable forces OD.

Just don't click on anything with the name Watts and you will be much happier. 

The populist media still churns out stuff about Princess Di.

I have no doubt that the nature of the Jack Watts story means that the talk fest will continue into eternity.  

Ernest, I have never read your 1937 novel To Have and Have Not  - was that a premonition  about Jack Watts?

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,787]

5 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Ernest, I have never read your 1937 novel To Have and Have Not  - was that a premonition  about Jack Watts?

Silly me. I thought Jack Watts was the central character in For Whom The Bell Tolls. 

[DaveyDee 421]

36 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

That's the key ... we will always be on the drip feed unless we change our method of operation.

Hawthorn had 30 plus years of success to get up to some level of financial stability and it is not exactly swimming in cash.

The MCG is not an MFC discriminator as it is also used by another five Victorian based clubs as their home ground.

Anyway let's see what 2018 brings ... if we do not see finals talk of the future (next 5 years) is almost academic.

The MCG may not -  but the MCC offer us considerable assistance.

I'm a bit more positive about the future, club is working hard to re-invent its brand and appeal to a different positive supporter base - which with a few well timed wins.  can propel us into the league of teams like Hawks, Richmond, Collingwood.

The past is behind us,  with massive AFL assistance we steadied the ship and in the very near future we will have to stand on our own two feet.  

Edited October 30, 2017 by DaveyDee