9 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

Just saw the Trenners speech. One of the saddest things I've seen in footy. What a great bloke who deserves another crack.

Sadly I don't think he has a snow flakes chance in hell cf.

At AFL level he is just too slow.

But I do agree on the speech.

4 minutes ago, Luther said:

Does a lot of the non-negotiable's as outlined by the coaching staff and is a genuine competitor. If he can clean up his disposal a bit he'll go from one of Demonland's whipping boys to a fan favourite in no time.

At his age I have seldom if ever seen that happen Luther.

If Watts goes he will inherit the mantle in a cake walk.

IMO his first quarter in the last game of the year cost us the game and a place in the finals.

But obviously the FD do not agree.

6 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Goody gave a big speech?

PJ speech?

It is not the night for CEO's it is about the FD and Players.

CEO is front and centre at the AGM.

Also probably busy finding a replacement head sponsor.

40 minutes ago, old dee said:

It is not the night for CEO's it is about the FD and Players.

CEO is front and centre at the AGM.

Also probably busy finding a replacement head sponsor.

Amusing term. After continually reading about "back of jumper sponsor" etc, it seems as if we're going to be requiring our players to have a company's name emblazoned on their foreheads.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

It is not the night for CEO's it is about the FD and Players.

CEO is front and centre at the AGM.

Also probably busy finding a replacement head sponsor.

So he didn't speak? Goody?

1 hour ago, old dee said:

It is not the night for CEO's it is about the FD and Players.

CEO is front and centre at the AGM.

Also probably busy finding a replacement head sponsor.

Exactly od.  In fact I think he spoke briefly at last year's B&F, and specifically commented along those lines.  He was almost apologetic that he had broken his own convention, but had done so because there were a few specific points that he wanted to cover.

26 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Amusing term. After continually reading about "back of jumper sponsor" etc, it seems as if we're going to be requiring our players to have a company's name emblazoned on their foreheads.

Might be the way to keep them at one club LDC, both sides might honour a contract.

3 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

So he didn't speak? Goody?

PJ didn't speak. Bartlett did and was quite good, gave kudos to a number of people who don't otherwise get recognition for their hard work at the club. He also gave a shout out to Jesse Hogan for showing such resilience through extremely trying circumstances.

Goody did speak for a few minutes before presenting the awards for the top 5 players. His speech was fairly lacklustre IMO. The message he was drilling was we are on a journey and need to work hard, but we have heard it all before and he delivered it without any passion or vigour. When compared to say Roos, it definitely felt lacking. I actually think Goody appears to be a great football brain and great planner, but doesn't come across as a great motivator. Wondering if he can improve that with further experience but it worries me a tad.

16 hours ago, Petraccattack said:

Hibberd robbed worse than anyone in the history of the Bluey, surely.

Gary Hardeman could only ever manage a best placing of 3rd in our B & F.   And he was an absolute gun footballer in a poorly performed team.  Was runners-up in the '74 Brownlow medal to boot. 

I was initially quite surprised by Hibberd's tally and then recalled that backmen often get marked disproportionately hard.  They at least recognised Jetta's terrific year. 

Like @P-man I had Hibberd as being our clear 2nd best player over the entire season.  The only thing that could be factored in is that he went away from the coaches orders too many times - didn't see that myself though.

Oliver was a worthy winner, all the same.  The kid is a star in the making.

6 hours ago, Nasher said:

You have to wonder how many other players there are out there with such unharnessed talent. Oliver ended up as a high pick but footy world was divided on him. He was a talented but overweight and unfit junior with no concept of how a professional athlete should train. He was told to lose weight, so he stopped eating. Even after a year at the club, he coasted in his first year, until he had a frank discussion with Brendan McCartney at the beginning of last pre-season, and had a lightbulb moment.

Remind you of the difference between Oliver and someone else who has 300 threads to his name?

26 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

PJ didn't speak. Bartlett did and was quite good, gave kudos to a number of people who don't otherwise get recognition for their hard work at the club. He also gave a shout out to Jesse Hogan for showing such resilience through extremely trying circumstances.

Goody did speak for a few minutes before presenting the awards for the top 5 players. His speech was fairly lacklustre IMO. The message he was drilling was we are on a journey and need to work hard, but we have heard it all before and he delivered it without any passion or vigour. When compared to say Roos, it definitely felt lacking. I actually think Goody appears to be a great football brain and great planner, but doesn't come across as a great motivator. Wondering if he can improve that with further experience but it worries me a tad.

This worries me as well. Couldn't get the players 'up' for their biggest test in 10 years. He seems like he is on mogadon the whole time. Seed of worry in my brain.

31 minutes ago, Lord Travis said:

PJ didn't speak. Bartlett did and was quite good, gave kudos to a number of people who don't otherwise get recognition for their hard work at the club. He also gave a shout out to Jesse Hogan for showing such resilience through extremely trying circumstances.

Goody did speak for a few minutes before presenting the awards for the top 5 players. His speech was fairly lacklustre IMO. The message he was drilling was we are on a journey and need to work hard, but we have heard it all before and he delivered it without any passion or vigour. When compared to say Roos, it definitely felt lacking. I actually think Goody appears to be a great football brain and great planner, but doesn't come across as a great motivator. Wondering if he can improve that with further experience but it worries me a tad.

Agreed. I found his speech really boring. He was reading it from a script, it felt passionless.

I hope/assume he is a bit better in front of the players on game day. 

Of all the speeches, apart from Trenners which was just so beautiful and heartfelt, I found myself really listening when Viney spoke. He is such a leader, and he commands respect. Could listen to him all day.
Jones spoke well too, but he spoke like a hurt supporter, which I loved, but it wasn't exactly motivational. Viney was really wonderful though, no wonder he is captain at such a young age!

Edited October 10, 20177 yr by Jaded

What does a retired Program Manager do with his spare time?  He creates reports!

Below are the results of the B & F showing the finishing position and total number of votes received.  I have divided this by number of games that player played and determined average votes per actual game played.  I have added a ‘Rank’ column of what this would mean if the award was determined by these averages.  Just to confuse (or delight) the final % column is how every player rated in comparison to the winner Clayton Oliver who was rated 100 and the 4 players who played a game but didn’t receive a vote on 0.

I hope this all makes sense.  Apologies if the format is not reader friendly.

 

 

Player	B & F	Votes	Games	Average	Rank	% rating
Oliver	1	530	22	24.09	1	100
Viney	2	346	18	19.22	3	79.8
Jones	3*	327	16	20.44	2	84.8
Lewis	3*	327	19	17.21	5	71.4
Jetta	5	321	22	14.59	6	60.6
Hibberd	6	318	18	17.67	4	73.3
Petracca	7	302	22	13.73	9	57
Garlett	8	284	21	13.52	10	56.1
T.MacD	9	278	22	12.64	13	52.5
Tyson	10	275	19	14.47	7	60.1
Neal-Bullen	11	263	19	13.84	8	57.5
Hunt	12	256	22	11.64	17	48.3
Vince	13	240	19	12.63	14	52.4
Hannan	14	216	20	10.8	20	44.8
Frost	15	211	16	13.19	11	54.8
Melksham	16	201	19	10.58	23	43.9
Harmes	17	197	17	11.59	18	48.1
Pedersen	18*	196	15	13.07	12	54.3
O.MacD	18*	196	20	9.8	26	40.7
Salem	20	178	16	11.125	19	46.2
Watts	21	172	16	10.75	21	44.6
Gawn	22	138	13	10.62	22	44.1
Hogan	23	122	10	12.2	15	50.6
Bugg	24	102	10	10.2	24	42.3
Stretch	25	76	9	8.44	27	35
Brayshaw	26	59	5	11.8	16	49
Wagner	27	52	9	5.78	28	24
Weideman	28	36	7	5.14	29	21.3
Kent	29	30	6	5	30	20.8
Spencer	30	20	2	10	25	41.5
Trengove	31*	8	2	4	31	16.6
JKH	31*	8	6	1.33	32	5.5
J.Smith	33*	0	3	0	33*	0
T.Smith	33*	0	2	0	33*	0
Maynard	33*	0	1	0	33*	0
White	33*	0	1	0	33*	0

 

So, If the B & F was based purely on games played the top ten would be;

1  Oliver

2  Jones

3  Viney

4  Hibberd

5  Lewis

6  Jetta

7  Tyson

8  Neal-Bullen

9  Petracca

10  Garlett

 

4 hours ago, Jaded said:

For all the angst re: Dom Tyson, the coaches obviously rate him.

 

 

3 hours ago, Luther said:

Does a lot of the non-negotiable's as outlined by the coaching staff and is a genuine competitor. If he can clean up his disposal a bit he'll go from one of Demonland's whipping boys to a fan favourite in no time.

Still only 24 as well - I reckon he still has some improvement in him.

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

PJ didn't speak. Bartlett did and was quite good, gave kudos to a number of people who don't otherwise get recognition for their hard work at the club. He also gave a shout out to Jesse Hogan for showing such resilience through extremely trying circumstances.

Goody did speak for a few minutes before presenting the awards for the top 5 players. His speech was fairly lacklustre IMO. The message he was drilling was we are on a journey and need to work hard, but we have heard it all before and he delivered it without any passion or vigour. When compared to say Roos, it definitely felt lacking. I actually think Goody appears to be a great football brain and great planner, but doesn't come across as a great motivator. Wondering if he can improve that with further experience but it worries me a tad.

Agree, and it worries me too.

That speech did nothing and reminded me of Neeld. I don't need Goody to talk to me or the fans like he would the players. Just like Neeld declaring we will be the toughest team to play againsy Goody saying you need to give more is rubbish talk. What will improve the team from this year? Experience, better players, different team structure, increased fitness, who knows. It took Geelong 7 years under Bomber and the core group having 5 or more years. Our best players are in their 2nd year.

Some things he has done well this year and at other times he has been out coached by seasoned vets. Many posts have worried that he has been unable to change or inspire the team at times. Leaving out individual player performances the inability of the coaching team to get the best out of the group is a worry and that they didn't have Melbourne primed for the last game concerned me.

We keep losing games we are expected to win, Goody has been there 3 years, he knows the players and talking tough at B&F's isn't the answer.

I liked Clarry’s speech-confident delivery without notes.Didn’t miss a beat.Glad a redhead has won the Bluey!

1 hour ago, Lord Travis said:

Goody did speak for a few minutes before presenting the awards for the top 5 players. His speech was fairly lacklustre IMO. The message he was drilling was we are on a journey and need to work hard, but we have heard it all before and he delivered it without any passion or vigour. When compared to say Roos, it definitely felt lacking. I actually think Goody appears to be a great football brain and great planner, but doesn't come across as a great motivator. Wondering if he can improve that with further experience but it worries me a tad.

I had the same impression although its hard to know whether its due to being uncomfortable in front of a room of people or if he's always like that. It's hard to imagine he's like that in a room of 20-odd players pre-game etc but you never know. When he started talking about Apollo 11 I was thinking "where is he going with this? He's lost me" not necessarily because of what he was saying but the way he was delivering it.

1 hour ago, Jaded said:

Agreed. I found his speech really boring. He was reading it from a script, it felt passionless.

I hope/assume he is a bit better in front of the players on game day. 

Of all the speeches, apart from Trenners which was just so beautiful and heartfelt, I found myself really listening when Viney spoke. He is such a leader, and he commands respect. Could listen to him all day.
Jones spoke well too, but he spoke like a hurt supporter, which I loved, but it wasn't exactly motivational. Viney was really wonderful though, no wonder he is captain at such a young age!

Agreed on all counts

Thought Melksham would have polled better to be honest. Had a very good second half of the season

15 minutes ago, Hell Bent said:

Thought Melksham would have polled better to be honest. Had a very good second half of the season

His first half wasn't great though to be fair

I'm staggered Maynard scored 0 of a possible 40 votes in his one game.

I guess it shows all the voting coaches were aligned in what they wanted from him, and despite what looked to be a solid debut game from the outside, he really failed to deliver in what was expected of him.

1 hour ago, Hell Bent said:

Thought Melksham would have polled better to be honest. Had a very good second half of the season

But he had a Watts-ending-the-season start to the year.

And he should be admonished for it.

Consider yourself admonished, Jake!

Anyone know where I can watch Trengoves speech? I feel like crying tonight but don't want to eat KFC and watch porn again.

Edited October 10, 20177 yr by Nascent
Autocorrect

10 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Anyone know where I can watch Trenches speech? I feel like crying tonight but don't want to eat KFC and watch porn again.

Cry away

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvfaF7MfqQ 

Edited October 10, 20177 yr by DemonWorshipper

7 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It was a joke, hence the 

You're posts are too subtle for me today !