5 minutes ago, Micksdemons said:

I'm actually very upset that jack Watts is I this position - loves the club who failed him - we have a Johnny come lately coaching group who failed us ( supporters ) again this year and are removing one our most loyal talented players who they can't coach well enough to get his best ( Roos says keep him ) and I would rather sack about 40 others including some coaches before Jack - he was in our best in the last game - tucked in Gawns absence and is our best kick into 50 and for goal - I won't what they want for him but it will need to be a massive player to equal our loss - sick of bad decisions - platinum member who has already rejoined for next year bu wish I hadn't . Upset to say the least. George on the outer a comment would be appropriate thanks ! 

youre talking about 1 game? he has been an average player over his 8 years. He has been inconsistent in his good form but his poor second efforts (and poor first efforts) have been consistent to a point where our expectations of watts are so low

I'm also hearing rumors that it's Nathan Jones who wants Watts out. I wonder how crazy this can get?

5 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

I'm also hearing rumors that it's Nathan Jones who wants Watts out. I wonder how crazy this can get?

Do you think that's based on the whack he gave in the media, or something more substantial?

Port, collingwood, sydney, eagles and geelong all interest in Jack. They obviously see something in him which our FD don't...big mistake in getting rid of him

It must be just a strange coincidence as the watts rumours started so did the Goodwin and Jones criticism.

Haha demonland, who needs tv when you can listen to grown men cry

2 hours ago, Demons11 said:

No chance, several players have questioned his preparation and commitment.  So the writing has been on the wall

Several players ?  Who ?

Nathan Jones' comments were along those lines, what other player/s ???

4 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Do you think that's based on the whack he gave in the media, or something more substantial?

If it was true, then the media criticism would be just the tip of the iceberg you'd think.

Goodwin for Hinkley would have been a nice deal.

1 minute ago, Travis16 said:

Several players ?  Who ?

Nathan Jones' comments were along those lines, what other player/s ???

You'd think that would have to be the whole leadership group.

Last time i checked we had 5 in there and I'm pretty sure NJ isnt operating alone

16 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

From Paul Roos: 

You can't always harp on people's weaknesses. That's the problem that certainly existed before I got to Melbourne," he said.

"Every player has got weaknesses. Wattsy responded when you talk about his positiives – he's an elite kick, he's an elite decision maker, he's a very good player.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2017/09/28/roos-and-schwarz-urge-dees-to-re-think-watts-trade-plans/

So... the guy who taught Goodwin how to coach, who rebuilt this club, and extracted the best year out of Watts is telling him not to trade him. Hmm, I know who I'd listen to.

Remind me who brought in Heretier and gave up an inconsistent but supremely talented flanker in Jeremy Howe?

32 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Just saw a report and interview on 7. 

No doubt in my mind that he's gone.

It's just a question of what the details are.

Saw that too, his comment about football clubs being "brutal at times" confirmed it for me too....sadly

18 minutes ago, At the break of Gawn said:

From Paul Roos: 

 

So... the guy who taught Goodwin how to coach, who rebuilt this club, and extracted the best year out of Watts is telling him not to trade him. Hmm, I know who I'd listen to.

I don't think Roos anointed Goodwin as his successor because he thought he'd be his clone.  Pretty sure he was after someone that had a clear vision and an idea how to achieve it.  

I didn't hear any criticism from Roos in that interview of either Goodwin or the club if they trade Jack.  All his comments were prefaced with if it was him he wouldn't do it, but he's not in a position to know.  He clearly loves Jack, but he also commented on outsiders second guessing clubs when they didn't have all the facts. 

3 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Remind me who brought in Heretier and gave up an inconsistent but supremely talented flanker in Jeremy Howe?

Let me get this right, because Roos brought in HL we shouldnt take notice of what the man says about JW?  Please.

13 minutes ago, qazwsx said:

Port, collingwood, sydney, eagles and geelong all interest in Jack. They obviously see something in him which our FD don't...big mistake in getting rid of him

So a bidding war?

4 minutes ago, Travis16 said:

Saw that too, his comment about football clubs being "brutal at times" confirmed it for me too....sadly

real pity it took jack 8 years to work that out

Some of the comments in this thread are genuinely unbelievable.

Despite our improvement, we have an undeniable issue with consistency and application. And its been an issue for years. It was an issue when we were improving under Bailey, it was an issue under Roos, and by God it was an issue this year.

The one thing we cannot do is do nothing about this.

But when we try something, we turn on the coach. Threaten petitions. Threaten to not renew memberships. FFS people!!!

If this trade doesnt work, so be it. But at least we tried. And then we can try something else.

I've never bought into the whole melbourne supporters accept mediocrity thing, but by the way so many here are pining over a player who after 8 years is not even a star, let alone a supetstar, maybe there is something to it.

 

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1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

real pity it took jack 8 years to work that out

That is the real sadness here

The Bugger has a lot of talent, that he chose not to use at the MFC

If it's true that 4 clubs are interested then that can drive up the value of his trade value.  Assuming that he is gone,  I hope the club can make the best of the situation. 

Clubs have previously gone after players who have played well against them so the Pies could be a player.  Buckley is getting a good return out of Howe and they like to get the ball quickly to the outside ... Port & Geelong the same. 

The strange bit is that we're in dire need of some skilled,  speedy,  outside players.  That is one of the next steps in the teams development. 

I would have kept him for that reason ... we're right on the cusp of being able to use him properly.  Losing Gawn & Hogan for a lot of the year and with Weideman not coming on,  we had to use Watts in roles that he's not suited for. 
 

 

Who have Port got that we would be interested in? Pittard?

My guess is he'll want to go to Sydney.

2 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Who have Port got that we would be interested in? Pittard?

It'll be some sort of a three way deal involving Adelaide/lever, I'd guess.

Pittard please useless piece of [censored]

42 minutes ago, big_red_fire_engine said:

Watts is a 9th year talented yet flakey flanker who we chose not to play this year  on two seperate occasions due to lack of buy in on required effort and ethic on and off the field. How some can show such hysteria at our want to move him on have obviously forgotten what it felt like missing out in the last round. Any player who is not 100% buying in to do everything necessary on and off the field can get out in my opinion and Watts is the poster boy for it. I am sure what we get (likely a second round pick) people will say is unders but it is right based on his career output and likely output moving forward. The best we can hope for is many clubs decide he is the answer to drive up his value. I will hold to see the overall picture of ins and outs before I hold a view on whether we have improved our list and chance to take the next step and more importantly the ones after it to make it to the last game in September. 

Yep this nails it for me, if he is not 100% on board then he needs to move on that goes for any player on the list, for too long we have had a culture of players doing what they wanted, didn’t they once cancel a training session under Bailey, I am backing goody all the way on this decision it sends a clear message 100% effort or the door is that way doesn’t matter who you are, and the petition that is doing the rounds on Facebook is cringeworthy 

we are looking to trade a player who has achieved 1 top 5 B&F finish in 9 years,  hardly surprising, i have no idea why some are so shocked

Can people stop equating 'Watts being traded' to 'The Demons no longer tolerate inconsistency'?

Again, Watts rocked up in 'The Most Important Game in a Decade' - and that isn't an argument to keep him - it is an argument to say that the undertone of 'if we get rid of Watts we will get rid of the problem' is absolute nonsense.

It is another irony that his last act is to be the scapegoat once again for this club when that ire should be reserved for others in the eyes of many supporters.