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We are frustratingly undisciplined which is costing us dearly.

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Although a hard fought win on Sunday, we seem to give away far too many unnecessary 50m penalties. I counted  five 50 meter penalties against us on Sunday (Tyson (2), Hannan, Hogan, Wagner) and none to the Lions. That is a hell of an advantage to give away. I know we have to play the game hard, but there was nothing hard about these penalties, simply sloppy and undisciplined. It is hard enough to win games at the best of times, without deliberately handicapping ourselves. We simply can't afford this in finals.

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    Getting a little a head of yourself talking finals with a round yet to play. Nothing is certain unless we win this Saturday.

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    Hogan's wasn't a 50 99 times out of a 100. I'd call that an umpires mistake.

    Other players made a mistake and the umps were all over us. I can't recall another games where we've given away many 50's, so it not an ongoing issue.

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    11 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

    The principle is the same whether in finals or home and away!

    Sure. But you're already looking at finals, I understand. 

     

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    24 minutes ago, Dees2014 said:

    Although a hard fought win on Sunday, we seem to give away far too many unnecessary 50m penalties. I counted  five 50 meter penalties against us on Sunday (Tyson (2), Hannan, Hogan, Wagner) and none to the Lions. That is a hell of an advantage to give away. I know we have to play the game hard, but there was nothing hard about these penalties, simply sloppy and undisciplined. It is hard enough to win games at the best of times, without deliberately handicapping ourselves. We simply can't afford this in finals.

    Yep those 50's were dumb by our players, wasn't the umps fault (except Hogans). Makes me wonder if our players are mouthy to umpires, hence the dopey free kicks sometimes that we see.

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    It felt like we were given no latitude- as other teams would.  Not being told get get back on the mark, giving 50 immediately etc.  we get nothing.

     

    jeffy did get a 50 for the slam tackle off the ball in the first.  That's one against them.

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    30 minutes ago, SFebey said:

    Yep those 50's were dumb by our players, wasn't the umps fault (except Hogans). Makes me wonder if our players are mouthy to umpires, hence the dopey free kicks sometimes that we see.

    I don't agree entirely... I think a couple of those 50's were the result of over enthusiastic umpiring as our players were given no opportunity at all to get back to the mark.  Hogan's should not have been a fifty and a 50 was not given to T Mac (I think it was) for an, unlike in Hogan's case, obvious knocking of the ball from his hands after it had been marked.  Really, only 2 of the 50's we gave away were what I would call warranted.

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    Just now, hardtack said:

    I don't agree entirely... I think a couple of those 50's were the result of over enthusiastic umpiring as our players were given no opportunity at all to get back to the mark.  Hogan's should not have been a fifty and a 50 was not given to T Mac (I think it was) for an, unlike in Hogan's case, obvious knocking of the ball from his hands after it had been marked.  Really, only 2 of the 50's we gave away were what I would call warranted.

    Nope, they umpired to the letter of the law, unfortunately they need to be consistent, our players overstepped the mark. Agree re Hogan and yes we should have got some in return though.

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    I said this in another thread but if you're going to start paying 50 for ones like Jesse's then you'll have to start paying about 10 50s per match. Consistency wasn't there as I can recall at least 2 of those that were carbon copies that didn't go our way.

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    Why wasn't Gawn given one when he had the ball knocked from him. that incident was 10,000 times worse than Hogans.

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    1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    We seem to give away a lot of free kicks at centre bounces for holding, it's just an idiotic thing to do.

    But we never seem to get them even when they are there.

    And, were the maggots consistent, Angus could have got one with the final mark of the match - contact after the mark (would have been soft but was there by the book).

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    1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    We seem to give away a lot of free kicks at centre bounces for holding, it's just an idiotic thing to do.

    We seem to have a lot of free kicks awarded against us at centre bounces for holding. Doesn't mean it always happens.

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    If we make finals I dont care if our players play on the edge. 

    If we dont make finals - I hate those f'umpires anyway and its all their fault ( Oh and MRP )

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    2 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    We seem to give away a lot of free kicks at centre bounces for holding, it's just an idiotic thing to do.

    Oliver and Jones were being held all day. The frees were one way.....

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    1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

    We seem to have a lot of free kicks awarded against us at centre bounces for holding. Doesn't mean it always happens.

    I saw an article last week where they said Oliver was a problem child with holding his opponent

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    Two things I'd like to see improve in the modern game: set shot conversions and umpiring consistency.

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    3 hours ago, Clint Bizkit said:

    We seem to give away a lot of free kicks at centre bounces for holding, it's just an idiotic thing to do.

    Everyone holds at centre bounces we just seem to get pinged more than others

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    You'd think it would be considered normal for the younger players like Oliver to be holding their opponent, as they lack the physical strength to body their opponent away from the fall of the ball.

     

    As our midfield fully matures, I can see it being less of a problem.

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    6 minutes ago, faultydet said:

    You'd think it would be considered normal for the younger players like Oliver to be holding their opponent, as they lack the physical strength to body their opponent away from the fall of the ball.

     

    As our midfield fully matures, I can see it being less of a problem.

    Speaking of Oliver, how good was the mark he took on the members wing?

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    2 minutes ago, SFebey said:

    Speaking of Oliver, how good was the mark he took on the members wing?

    I've been on Oliver since his first game.

    Honestly think he will win at LEAST 1 Brownlow. Already the best hands in congestion I have ever seen. Freakish.

    Yeah, the mark was a beauty.

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    Just now, faultydet said:

    I've been on Oliver since his first game.

    Honestly think he will win at LEAST 1 Brownlow. Already the best hands in congestion I have ever seen. Freakish.

    Yeah, the mark was a beauty.

    My only knock is he hardly ever kicks it and surprisingly his kicking is quite good. Agree, his hands are some of the fastest I've ever seen already. Has come along way in the last year and a great turnaround story.

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    Sometimes a club doesn't get the "slaughters" it deserves.We have had some good wins and some bad losses,if we play finals most of us will be happy.The club has endured plenty of injuries which doesn't help. I did predict that this year's final 8 re-dominance compared to last year. To date the current top 8 sides has lossed 60 matches compared to 50 last year.Next year will be tough.

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    Hannan' gave away a 50 a few weeks ago for the same infringement - just inexperienced, so hopefully he's learnt his lesson.

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