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ON A PLATTER by The Oracle

At this time of the year, when the battle for the finals heats up, every game involving one or two of the contenders can be dramatic. By the time, Melbourne's turn comes to defend its current top eight placing, all five matches played either on Friday night or at some time on Saturday will have had an influence on the prospects of the teams playing for a finals finish or a top four spot (although admittedly, the Hawks' late bid may well be over before their game starts).

The fact that we will have better knowledge of how the club is placed in its quest for its first finals appearance since 2006 will not however, have an effect on what it has to do against the the 18th-placed Lions. Success is never served on a platter given away by others.

The challenge for Melbourne is to win this game and then the next. If it does that, it won't have to depend on others to make the finals which is what it's all about - the capacity to be responsible for one's own future.

The challenge of winning this particular game also requires the team to step up in a crunch game where it starts as the favourite against a much lower ranked side. On four occasions (against Fremantle, Hawthorn and North Melbourne twice), the Demons have turned up expecting the four points to be served up on that platter only to stumble and fall by narrow margins. 

There is not much use in crying over spilt milk but a simple glance at the ladder will tell you that had they won half of those close games, they would have been in top four contention instead of fighting with three or four others for a place in the eight. 

The Brisbane Lions have hit some form recently so they can't be taken lightly. Melbourne has much more at stake and simply cannot afford to lapse in this game. If it does so this time, then a large number of its fans, including yours truly, will be cheesed off.

And on that note, I hope that the players are not distracted by the fare of cheese, avocado, prosciutto which one Melbourne supporter feasted on last week at the Saints game.

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THE GAME

Melbourne v Brisbane at MCG Sunday 19 August, 2017 at 1.10pm

HEAD TO HEAD

Overall: Melbourne 23 wins, Brisbane 20 wins

At MCG: Melbourne 13 wins, Brisbane 3 wins

Last Five Meetings: Melbourne 2 wins, Brisbane 3 wins

The Coaches: Goodwin 0 wins, Fagan 0 wins

MEDIA

TV - Fox Footy Channel live at 1.00pm
Radio - SEN ABC ABC Grandstand

THE BETTING

Melbourne $1.17 to win, Brisbane $5.25 to win

LAST TIME THEY MET Melbourne 19.17.131 defeated Brisbane 9.14.68 at the MCG, Round 9, 2016 

The Demons don't often win games by more than 10 goals but they did just that the last time the two teams met 15 months ago. Jesse Hogan booted five goals, James Harmes four and Tomas Bugg finished with 31 touches.

THE TEAMS

MELBOURNE

B: Michael Hibberd, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta
HB: Jordan Lewis, Tom McDonald, Jayden Hunt
C: Dom Tyson, Nathan Jones, Clayton Oliver
HF: Alex Neal-Bullen, Jesse Hogan, Christian Petracca
F: Jeff Garlett, Cam Pedersen, James Harmes
FOLL: Max Gawn, Bernie Vince, Jake Melksham
I/C: Angus Brayshaw,  Mitch Hannan, Billy Stretch, Josh Wagner
EMG:  Ben Kennedy, Corey Maynard, Sam Weideman

IN: Jesse Hogan, Billy Stretch

OUT: Jack Viney (foot) Sam Weideman (omitted)  

BRISBANE LIONS

B: Daniel McStay, Harris Andrews, Daniel Rich 
HB: Darcy Gardiner, Josh Walker, Sam Mayes 
C: Hugh McCluggage, Dayne Zorko, Ryan Bastinac 
HF: Lewis Taylor, Michael Close, Claye Beams 
F: Ryan Lester, Eric Hipwood, Jake Barrett 
FOLL: Stefan Martin, Tom Rockliff, Dayne Beams 
I/C: Jacob Allison, Rhys Mathieson, Nick Robertson, Alex Witherden
EMG: Tom Cutler, Ben Keays, Sam Skinner

IN: Alex Witherden

OUT: Cedric Cox (omitted)

Brisbane has a poor record against Melbourne at the MCG having won there only three times (although that figure might have looked better had the Demons not sold home games to play at the Gabba in the Lions' halcyon days). Their last win at the G was by 41 points in Round 1, 2012 which was Mark Neeld's first game as coach. Things are far different for both sides these days but a loss to the Demons on Sunday would be far more devastating than the one from 5½ years ago that marked the beginning of the former coach and his team's long ride on the "reality bus".

A loss at home to the last placed team in the competition would signal that Melbourne simply does not merit a berth in the finals. Fortunately, the team does have the experienced heads who can lead it through the pressure of a must win game starting with co-skipper Nathan Jones who has dedicated his football lifetime to be in reach of the September action he last saw when his career was in its infancy. With him is Jordan Lewis who has seen it all in his time as a four-time premiership player and is now on the brink of yet another finals campaign. The Demons have won most of their games when these two have been in the team together and the leadership of the club's wise old heads will be critical over the weeks to come.

And with them is a young team with a lot of talent that plays a high possession game, wins the contested ball and has an All Australian ruckman who is smart enough to learn and adapt his technique after the issues he had with the umpires in the game against the Saints.

The Lions have improved greatly in the second half of the season and had a great win last week against a club in crisis after the sacking of their coach. This week they face a club with a mission and the boot will be on the other foot.

Melbourne by 45 points.

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I'm heading over for this game. If Rhys Mathieson plays for frees I will consider running onto the ground and throwing pitted kalamatas at him while beating him with a baguette.

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3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I'm heading over for this game. If Rhys Mathieson plays for frees I will consider running onto the ground and throwing pitted kalamatas at him while beating him with a baguette.

Use your man purse satchel.

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I think an avocado pip thrown from the Balcony of the members would have more impact....

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3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I'm heading over for this game. If Rhys Mathieson plays for frees I will consider running onto the ground and throwing pitted kalamatas at him while beating him with a baguette.

Slap him with a trout!

wake up man! and get a haircut while you're at it

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We should account for them without too much trouble. 

Their midfield is strong but everything is rather average.  Our midfield is up and about as well so I can see us, at the very least, breaking even with them.

Dees by 7 goals.

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This is definitely a danger game for us.  Bob Murphy was asked on SEN which teams out of finals contention has he been impressed with recently and he said Brisbane.  Game is won in the midfield and any team starting S.Martin, D.Beams, Rockliff and Zorko has to be taken very seriously.  The bookmaker odds on this game are way out of whack.

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Feeling positive after last weeks win, playing finals is looking likely and Brisbane are on the bottom of the ladder with little to play for, except draft picks. 

Lions by 8 goals. 

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6 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I'm heading over for this game. If Rhys Mathieson plays for frees I will consider running onto the ground and throwing pitted kalamatas at him while beating him with a baguette.

Use whole olives with pits in - it will hurt more

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Do not under estimate Brisbane. They are capable of playing good footy and are one of the best bottom placed sides I have seen in a long time. It would be bloody typical of us to lose a game like this.

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I place a lot of value in the AFLCA votes.  Looking at the disappointing losses we've had this season, these are the 3 highest coaches' vote getters in each:

R4 loss to Fremantle
10 Neale
7 Mundy
4 Fyfe

R7 loss to Hawthorn
10 Viney
6 Roughead
4 Burgoyne

R9 loss to North
10 Brown
8 Cunnington
4 Thompson

R15 loss to Swans
10 Parker
8 Franklin
4 Z.Jones

R17 loss to Adelaide
9 Walker
8 Lynch
6 Laird

R19 loss to North
8 Brown
8 Oliver
5 Swallow
5 Ziebell

I think, not surprisingly, that it's experienced stars that have played well against us in those games, and I guess Ben Brown is moving into that category.  It's vital that we limit the influence of S.Martin, D.Beams, Rockliff and Zorko.  Also be aware of Taylor and Lester.

Here's the key votes in the Lions last 3 wins:

R12 d Fremantle
10 Zorko
8 D.Beams
6 Taylor
4 S.Martin

R18 d Carlton
9 Zorko
7 D.Beams
6 Rockliff
4 Lester

R21 d GCS
10 D.Beams
7 Rockliff
7 Taylor
2 Lester
2. S.Martin

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Brisbane's starting midfield is as good as any in the competition and we can't afford to let them waltz out of the middle without applying pressure. Even the most ordinary forward line will kick goals when the ball is delivered well.

We will know within the first 15 minutes whether the players are switched on or not. Hopefully they are and we can pick up some percentage as well as the win. 

Hopefully we pick our best 22 this week instead of gifting games to the likes of Weideman.

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Whatever happens, win, lose or draw, I just hope we score more than them.

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21 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Whatever happens, win, lose or draw, I just hope we score more than them.

Thanks Jack Dyer

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52 minutes ago, Fifty-5 said:

I think, not surprisingly, that it's experienced stars that have played well against us in those games, and I guess Ben Brown is moving into that category.  It's vital that we limit the influence of S.Martin, D.Beams, Rockliff and Zorko.  Also be aware of Taylor and Lester.

Beams and Zorko are the two that must be stopped. Beams is coming back into great form and Zorko has played at a high standard for most of the year. Stop these two and we go a long way to winning this game.

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7 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Beams and Zorko are the two that must be stopped. Beams is coming back into great form and Zorko has played at a high standard for most of the year. Stop these two and we go a long way to winning this game.

Totally agree...

I would think Melksham goes to Zorko and Vince possibly to Beams. 

I would like to see Brayshaw play on Beams.

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8 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I'm heading over for this game. If Rhys Mathieson plays for frees I will consider running onto the ground and throwing pitted kalamatas at him while beating him with a baguette.

I'd fire a champagne cork at him - French of course.

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6 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I'd fire a champagne cork at him - French of course.

well chook, you can't buy champagne these days not from france -_-

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31 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Thanks Jack Dyer

He is in esteemed company if he also said similar wise words.

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1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

I place a lot of value in the AFLCA votes.  Looking at the disappointing losses we've had this season, these are the 3 highest coaches' vote getters in each:

R4 loss to Fremantle
10 Neale
7 Mundy
4 Fyfe

R7 loss to Hawthorn
10 Viney
6 Roughead
4 Burgoyne

R9 loss to North
10 Brown
8 Cunnington
4 Thompson

R15 loss to Swans
10 Parker
8 Franklin
4 Z.Jones

R17 loss to Adelaide
9 Walker
8 Lynch
6 Laird

R19 loss to North
8 Brown
8 Oliver
5 Swallow
5 Ziebell

I think, not surprisingly, that it's experienced stars that have played well against us in those games, and I guess Ben Brown is moving into that category.  It's vital that we limit the influence of S.Martin, D.Beams, Rockliff and Zorko.  Also be aware of Taylor and Lester.

Here's the key votes in the Lions last 3 wins:

R12 d Fremantle
10 Zorko
8 D.Beams
6 Taylor
4 S.Martin

R18 d Carlton
9 Zorko
7 D.Beams
6 Rockliff
4 Lester

R21 d GCS
10 D.Beams
7 Rockliff
7 Taylor
2 Lester
2. S.Martin

Interestingly, there's a big key forward for the opposition in the votes for each of the games we lost.

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