Post Match Discussion - Round 18

[chook fowler 18,173]

Just now, CBDees said:

And also at Mt. Buller!

I was thinking Fiji

[—coach— 3,466]

6 minutes ago, old dee said:

Hang in there JN c there are another five great games to come.

Fortunatly I will be back in the country for them, whoop whoop! And the best news is I don't have to work on the weekend of the first round of finals!

Go you good things!!!! ?

[leave it to deever 15,155]

The highlight of today was Gartletts point of the year.

[Dees2014 2,377]

43 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

secretly id like to know...reality is 13's the go  ( I reckon )  .We'll be safe 

I reckon 14 is the go, and we play Adelaide in Adelaide in the first final and beat them by 40 odd points like we did earlier in the year.....

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,568]

2 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

He threw up at quarter time.

He can have a ralph every week if we have a first quarter like that as far as I care.  Must have been about the second time this year we were up at the first break.

[CBDees 3,162]

2 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I was thinking Fiji

You mean as in Bula Bula?

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,568]

1 minute ago, CBDees said:

You mean as in Bula Bula?

For MFC supporters who can't handle the Fing cold and snobbery. I'm in.

[rpfc 27,391]

That Darwin effect, hey?

Makes you start really strongly against top 4 teams...

Deadly.

[Rodney (Balls) Grinter 10,568]

5 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

The highlight of today was Gartletts point of the year.

Which one?

[Demonised 1,198]

We got in front and we stayed in front. I'm not used to this strange game pattern.

[Biffen 12,298]

1 hour ago, Jack son 5 said:

Isn't Daisy in Cairns doing the bulldogs game?

She was sitting in front of me up until 3/4 time.

They must broadcast from a studio.

[old dee 22,809]

4 minutes ago, rpfc said:

That Darwin effect, hey?

Makes you start really strongly against top 4 teams...

Deadly.

Perhaps we should play more games up there rpfc!

[chook fowler 18,173]

10 minutes ago, CBDees said:

You mean as in Bula Bula?

I give up. Pedant!

[Jack son 5 162]

2 minutes ago, Biffen said:

She was sitting in front of me up until 3/4 time.

They must broadcast from a studio.

Wouldn't surprise me from MMM.

[CityDee 738]

What has been good with playing guys to try and get them back into form - Gawn Hogan and today Jack Watts is that they have all held their own . Not being beaten by an opponent running off them causing havoc at the same time not finishing marks (  game touch ) or dominating like they can . 

They have all worked at it and yes rusty to begin with but have improved or will to where we need them to be .

I watched the 2nd quarter again just now and Watts was running with discomfort , hoping he hasnt tweaked it again. 

 

[Phadraig 760]

Advanced stats from the Afl app if anyone wants a squizz 

 

[deanox 8,513]

2 hours ago, Mickey said:

No word about how Trenners went. Only the 15 disposals and not many tackles. How did people see his game? 

 

2 hours ago, McQueen said:

Nothing special but made some good decisions in hot situations.

 

2 hours ago, faultydet said:

Thats the way I viewed him also.

No clangers, but when he had the ball, he was quite good.

 

 

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

pretty solid without setting the world on fire. Didnt look out of place and genuinely added to the pie..Pass

 

2 hours ago, praha said:

People are way too harsh on Trengove. He played the team game, defended superbly, gave us a little drive, and was calm and collected with the ball. It was a Jetta-esque game. I reckon he can find a place in the squad as a small wingman and loose defender. Not sure he keeps his spot when Jones comes back but he needs a string of 3-4 games to cement himself.

 

1 hour ago, Webber said:

What's being forgotten is that it was Jack's first AFL game in over a year, against a top 4 side. The reality is that Jack did everything asked of him, and did it really well. I reckon Goody and the coaching staff will be rapt with his role playing. All in all an excellent effort considering the adjustment in standard. 

I watched Trenners pretty closely today from level 2 behind the goals. Most of the above are spot on but ill add some thoughts:

- he only played 90 minutes (of the >120 minutes), about the same as Mellsham and Salem, with JKH our lowest at 82.

-he effectively played on the left back pocket on Sam Grey for 90% of his time on ground. Picked up Boak a couple of times.

- Acted as a structural general, pointing and setting players and positions constantly

- Didn't attack much: only left his place in the zone when his direct opponent ran into the contest. This happened less info the second half. 

- Mostly got possessions linking across half back either when we switched our as a safe option.  Got involved a couple of times when he was in the play. 

- I saw him get beaten by his specific man twice.  Once by Grey up the field on the HFF (the ball went out of centre bounce, Grey got their first, and got an inside 50 that resulted in a goal) and once during a run on play by Boak I think, as a chain of possessions caught our structure out

- He obviously isnt fast. That didn't matter when our structure was working.  He wasn't going to chase guys down but was fine in general play.

 

 

 

My thoughts are he offers more than many.  I think there is a role for him when Vince and Lewis decline but unsure where he sits in the coaches eyes behind Wagner and Smith in the longer term. Does Melksham fit into this group too or is he a forward now? Trenners didn't play mid, and he didn't attack much, so it's clear to me what his role is at the moment. Just wait and see if they think he is handy depth. 

[Pates 9,536]

1 hour ago, faultydet said:

Nash, that is a much better comeback than others.

Considered, and insightful. Thank you.

 

Still disagree that his game today was anything less than unacceptable.

By your thoughts, he should not be played, if returning from injury during the finals.

We need better than than from Jack. He is capable of much more.

On this we at least agree. He is so much better than that, which is why I allow him this one week returning from injury to be off. Hogan was as well his first game back, today he looked a lot more like the Hogan we know. 

To me you're original comments seemed to remind me of the original Watts bagging we had for so long, where for some reason his bad games we something of a crime. 

[Roger Mellie 3,483]

8 minutes ago, deanox said:

 

- I saw him get beaten by his specific man twice.  Once by Grey up the field on the HFF (the ball went out of centre bounce, Grey got their first, and got an inside 50 that resulted in a goal) and once during a run on play by Boak I think, as a chain of possessions caught our structure out

 

Great post and yes it was Boak

[Diamond_Jim 11,676]

8 minutes ago, Rafiki said:

Advanced stats from the Afl app if anyone wants a squizz 

 

Interesting ...

who would have thought in distance covered Hogan was second only to ANB.

Well done Hoges

[The Sailing Demon 379]

Well well well, what a week in footy does.
Always good to have the wood over both SA teams in the 1 year.

If we can stay fit I would peg us to be a chance to win every game for the remainder of the year to be honest.
GWS aren't as big and bad as everyone says, North will get pumped by us next week, Saints, Brisbane and Collingwood all speak for themselves.
No trips west, no trips to the NT left for the year and our injuries are all coming back at the right time and we only managed to lose 2 games. I am up and about tell you that.

Hibberd and Nev wouldn't surprise me if they were both named in the AA 40 players list. Good to see Hogan have influence, Viney did well and Melksham has really showed his value and although not yet, I am starting to feel like he is start to show us why he is getting paid what he is.

Time to start believeing I think people!

[Chook 14,389]

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Watts was terrible, one of his worst ever games. Half-hearted, weak and lazy.

If his skills and touch were off then he could be forgiven, but not effort.

Not everyone can play well, but no need to sugar coat it.

When you commented on the match day thread that he had "started well…", were you joking? Because to me it was clear as day he was well off the pace.

[3Dee 1,153]

It was Charley Dickson's 100th game!

[deanox 8,513]

Interesting that those Telstra GPS stats put Trengove as:

a) the second highest average moving speed on the ground; and

b) the third highest distance for "distance covered at high speed".

*In both categories he was Melbourne's top ranked player today with only PA players above him. 

 

 

So he may not have a great top speed but he has a tank and very high work rate. He obviously keeps on the move to maintain his positioning as the play moves too.

 

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

2 minutes ago, Chook said:

When you commented on the match day thread that he had "started well…", were you joking? Because to me it was clear as day he was well off the pace.

Yes, sarcasm doesn't come across easily in text.