If you watch it in slow motion it does look delayed... because it is.

Watch it in normal time and it's a quick elbow jab to the chin, Oliver's head jolt's back slightly and he falls immediately. 

I've seen UFC players knocked out cold with a punch not much more to the chin. If you get someone in the right spot it isn't the original hit that gets you, it's the jolting of the head and movement of the brain.

What Lewis did to Cripps was pretty much identical to that so should get a week.

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Is Dom Is Good

2 hours ago, Kiss of Death said:

Moloney got three or four for about the same or less on Selwood, while the game was on.

#consistency 

#dreaming

It was Bartel, and I don't remember anyone getting stuck into Bartel 'for making the most of nothing'...

Such an Australian response: He hardly hit you, why are you making a thing of it?

How about we say: Mate, why throw an errant elbow?

We are at our worst when say to people: 'why are you making a thing of it?'

 

Let's stop focussing on Clarrie.

Let's have a closer look at the sniper who hit him. Will Schofield. Stats for the game 3 kicks & 3 HB, DE a mighty 50%. He only had 3 effective possessions the whole game.

This is the quality of this terd. Clarrie pushes poor lil' Shuey in the chest. Sookfield sees no umpire in his line of vision, Clarrie is wide open and not expecting to have to defend a head-hit so he snipes him flush on the chin. "Tough guy" who's having a s*** game snipes a 19 year old kid because he thinks he'll get away with it. Or perhaps because he knows that it you hit someone, the focus immediately turns away from you on to whether the guy you hit staged or not. Gets reported instantly by an umpire standing 2 or 3 metres away over his right shoulder who had an unobstructed view of the front-on hit.

By far the most cowardly and low an act that I can remember seeing in a sports competition. If Clarrie was in a situation where he expected that a snipe might come (which is what makes it a snipe rather than a fair hit) he probably could have ridden the hit to some extent. But he was wide open. If Hogan got 3 down to 2 for the hit on Rowe, Sookfield should get at least that. 

But by far the worst part is the idiots on this site who want to say that the 19 year old staged what was only glancing blow. Just pathetic. 

 

15 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

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What Lewis did to Cripps was pretty much identical to that so should get a week.

Lewis got 4 down to 3 for Cripps, an extra week for bad record. Hogan got 3 down to 2 for Rowe, and we are now much better informed about Hogan's state of mind at the time. Rowe played out the match with no problem and starred the next week.

Schoefields other contribution was to whack Melksham in the head after he had marked in our forward line. No 50m penalty even though it was clearly late and high.

I love Clarry, in my 40 years I don't recall a better first 2 seasons by any player. 

He is 19... a kid. He'll learn from the weekend and the baiting he gets. 

Plenty of twitter action. Folks having a go at Oliver. He's bitten back, but I reckon he's better he off saying nothing. Damien  Martyn got stuck into him. 

57 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I love Clarry, in my 40 years I don't recall a better first 2 seasons by any player. 

He is 19... a kid. He'll learn from the weekend and the baiting he gets. 

Will learn what exactly?  How to anticipate a frustrated hack about to elbow him?

3 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

You know that you're in Perth on a Saturday night when you cop an elbow to the head and don't see it coming. 

Love it. Is that how your mum gets you to the dinner table???

59 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

I love Clarry, in my 40 years I don't recall a better first 2 seasons by any player. 

He is 19... a kid. He'll learn from the weekend and the baiting he gets. 

Me too. I thought he carried himself with great composure during the interview. I've always liked Richo, but he's lost me now. I don't get it - 3AW website is saying he defended Clarry - from what I saw of it, he helped instigate the slander, then backed down - ever so slightly -  i.e. you're a stager and a diver! - but, I suppose we can't be 100% sure so we'll give you some benefit of the doubt.

Not as bad as either Wingard or Rance ones. But gee. Didn't look good. Bigfooty has it right. One of those you can overlook. If he makes a habit... then gee whiz.

Basically... it really didn't look good.

I'm undecided if this was a 'stage' or not. What is unquestionable is that it was high and after the siren. Maybe Oliver felt the high contact and took a fall, as is instinctive during play, to make sure the umpire 'sees' the high contact. Obviously that wasn't necessary in this situation, but instincts can take over.

Maybe he was genuinely stunned and a little slow to react, as he said in the post-game interview- which, either he is very composed or someone prepared him well for...

Either way, I'm pretty sure I saw a shot of him in the change rooms as they went to the ad break at half time, still holding his chin/jaw. So it wasn't nothing.

34 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

Plenty of twitter action. Folks having a go at Oliver. He's bitten back, but I reckon he's better he off saying nothing. Damien Martyn got stuck into him. 

Didn't take long for the media to latch on to it http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-06-25/clayton-oliver-former-test-cricketer-in-twitter-spat-over-dive

Martyn is from Perth and probable an Eagles supporter.  Like you I think Oliver might need to cool his jets.  He should lie low and let the club leaders defend him.

This will be another week where our great win will be overshadowed by trivial side issues and twitter.  Sigh. 

If there was no post game interview the story would have petered out very quickly.  Lesson for the club - don't let a 19 yo be interviewed after a controversial incident during the game.  He is cannon fodder to commentators looking for a story.  They set out to bait him and have created shiiit storm out of it. 

 

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Lucifer's Hero

Oliver is the man.  19 year old, in Brownlow contention.

The next great mid of the game.  Already untaggable.

Suck it up haters, he can do what he wants, when he wants. If you're a washed up cricketer trying to take a shot a him on twitter, best be ready to get HIT BACK.

 

FWIW, Herald Sun saying the AFL won't cite Oliver for diving as there was definitely contact

1. There is contact

2. Club doctors had to have a good look at his jaw and he was bleeding 

3. There was no chance of a free. 

He won't get suspended and there is no reason for him to take a dive. 

Media doesn't like those pesky facts getting in the way of character assassinations though

Look if he had his time over I think he wouldn't have gone down so easily. It sounds strange but I think he thought initially it was worse than what it was and he almost dropped himself to control the fall. 

The criticism he's copping from everywhere is poor though, anyone who's watch his career so far knows he loves the hard stuff and is no diver. And he's in his 2nd year for crying of loud. 

Ultimately I think the people he'll cop it most from (in a funny way) will be his teammates. I think they'll give him a bit of push and shove and call him out on it at training, that will be the best way for him to move on from this.  

Interesting that the AFL has said they won't cite him because there was definitely contact, does that mean that Schofield might actually go for it?

Oliver might be forced to choose between his pride (saying he copped it and it was bad enough to drop him) or the players code (say it wasn't as bad as he first thought and he didn't need to fall). 

2 hours ago, Akum said:

Lewis got 4 down to 3 for Cripps, an extra week for bad record. Hogan got 3 down to 2 for Rowe, and we are now much better informed about Hogan's state of mind at the time. Rowe played out the match with no problem and starred the next week.

I feel Hogan's is the closer parallel, all of us at the time thought there was nothing in it and the more you look at it the more you realise Rowe wasn't faking it. 

[EDIT] I still think 3 down to 2 for Hogan was a disgrace, at worst 2 down to 1. But then we don't get luck with the tribunal. 

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Pates

5 minutes ago, Pates said:

Look if he had his time over I think he wouldn't have gone down so easily. It sounds strange but I think he thought initially it was worse than what it was and he almost dropped himself to control the fall. 

The criticism he's copping from everywhere is poor though, anyone who's watch his career so far knows he loves the hard stuff and is no diver. And he's in his 2nd year for crying of loud. 

Ultimately I think the people he'll cop it most from (in a funny way) will be his teammates. I think they'll give him a bit of push and shove and call him out on it at training, that will be the best way for him to move on from this.  

Interesting that the AFL has said they won't cite him because there was definitely contact, does that mean that Schofield might actually go for it?

Oliver might be forced to choose between his pride (saying he copped it and it was bad enough to drop him) or the players code (say it wasn't as bad as he first thought and he didn't need to fall). 

If i was him i would be extremely careful about Tribunals. just saying

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by willmoy
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1 minute ago, Pates said:

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Interesting that the AFL has said they won't cite him because there was definitely contact, does that mean that Schofield might actually go for it?

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How bizzare is it that our player gets clipped in the chin with an elbow during a break in the game and he (we) have to worry about being cited by the AFL... WTF!

F the AFL  and F Westcoast. Should be at least two weeks - intentional, high, low impact.

21 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

How bizzare is it that our player gets clipped in the chin with an elbow during a break in the game and he (we) have to worry about being cited by the AFL... WTF!

F the AFL  and F Westcoast. Should be at least two weeks - intentional, high, low impact.

Wasn't either the Hogan or Lewis suspension increased as it was 'off the ball' or something? So was this then as it was after the siren. This grub has to go.

He's not off the hook. AFL distinguishing between head office and mrp

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-wont-issue-staging-crackdown-after-clayton-oliver-incident-20170625-gwy2ik.html

Booing and selective  vision impairment seems to be  a WC supporter trait.  

 

13 minutes ago, frankie_d said:

He's not off the hook. AFL distinguishing between head office and mrp

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-wont-issue-staging-crackdown-after-clayton-oliver-incident-20170625-gwy2ik.html

Love the name of the journo who wrote that article: Scot Spits. Is that a name or a dirty national habit?

 

He's a new one on me. Hope he's not one of the dozen they've had to bring in to replace Flannagan. 

Edited June 25, 20178 yr by Jara

Damian who????? Hay Damian two words score board. 

Talk about a sore loser.