Casey Demons v Port Melbourne

[dieter 3,325]

On 5/21/2017 at 9:44 AM, daisycutter said:

must say jack, that the words sympathy, respect and port melbourne don't exactly gel with me

Precisely. I was a witness to a Port Melbourne versus Sunshine AFL blood bath in the early 60's. I lived across the road, snuck under the fence. A Sunshine player - Ken Seymour -  had to raise his arms and box away every time the ball came near him.

Of course, the Sunshine players were totally innocent.

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2 hours ago, dieter said:

Precisely. I was a witness to a Port Melbourne versus Sunshine AFL blood bath in the early 60's. I lived across the road, snuck under the fence. A Sunshine player - Ken Seymour -  had to raise his arms and box away every time the ball came near him.

Of course, the Sunshine players were totally innocent.

think you meant vfa, diets. and it wasn't just the players, the supporters were feral and had a reputation of spitting on the visiting team as the players went through the wire fenced visitors race, win or lose. the female supporters being the best phlegmers  

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11 hours ago, daisycutter said:

think you meant vfa, diets. and it wasn't just the players, the supporters were feral and had a reputation of spitting on the visiting team as the players went through the wire fenced visitors race, win or lose. the female supporters being the best phlegmers  

Yes, VFA.

Ironically, an ex Port player - Jack Storey - became the Sunshine Under 16 Coach. I played in the ruck as second ruckman in a Final in 1966 against West Footscary. Their Number one ruckman was Laurie Stanilands. Our Numero Uno, a pugsly Alan Morrow type, punched Sandilands behind play and West Footscay lads came from everywhere to even up. They thought I'd done it. It was all I could do to stop myself blurting 'It asn't me, it wasn't me...'

Anyway, I kicked two goals that day, I always played well against West Footscray. 

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13 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Anyone know what is up with Billy S? Not sure why he was dropped and I thought he would dominate at this level. 

Don't quote me on this, it's the impression I get, but in the VFL I imagine that overall as the speed of the game is down then there are less possessions had. It would then be more likely that in and under players will get more of the ball as well, plus outside movers will find it harder to get clear/clean space to be effective in.

So he might not be getting 'heaps' of it, but may not also be playing badly, just the drop down in standard might not suit Stretch as much as some others. I still think he's going to be very good for us long term, but still is a 3rd year player so where he is isn't a surprise, given there's probably specific things the coaches will want him working on. 

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15 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

The stats are out ...

Liam Hulett 2 goals 1 behind 8 kicks 4 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 4 tackles 68 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 3 kicks 3 handballs 6 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 32 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 1 behind 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 4 marks 7 tackles 17 hit outs 82 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 1 goal 1 behind 16 kicks 10 handballs 26 disposals 8 marks 5 tackles 116 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 7 handballs 17 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 73 dream team points
Mitch King 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 17 hit outs 49 dream team points
Jake Melksham 2 goals 1 behind 26 kicks 8 handballs 34 disposals 6 marks 8 tackles 159 dream team points.
Alex Neal-Bullen 1 goal 22 kicks 15 handballs 37 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 118 dream team points.  
Billy Stretch 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 65 dream team points.  
Jack Trengove 15 kicks 5 handballs 20 disposals 8 marks 7 tackles 107 dream team points 
Mitch White 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 59 dream team points

Plapp's write-up will be an interesting read - he usually gives something.

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On 2017-5-21 at 8:57 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

Firstly, congratulations to the Casey Demons on the win - it certainly did come from left field.

Secondly, about the team song ...

We might have taken over the club but I can't agree with this - it's disrespectful to the last vestige of the old Springvale club even if very few of the old Scorpion faithful still follow Casey. But it's also disrespectful to Port Melbourne which is the oldest of the existing VFA clubs still in the competition and it makes a mockery of the fact that they've sung this song for decades in a competition where the Casey Demons have been around for five minutes. Surely, a slight rearrangement of the old Springvale/Casey song could have been an appropriate concession to history and tradition?

I defy anyone to tell me that the Casey team played fine in the year of thirty-nine!

If the MFC strategy is an eventual stand-alone reserves team, then adopting the Melbourne team song makes sense. It's just part of a gradual transition such as changing the name to Casey Demons and the jumper to a modified Melbourne jumper which have both happened this year. I also don't see it as disrespectful to the Port Melbourne team. After all, only one of the teams will be singing it at the end of any game played between the two.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, what was the Casey Scorpions song? Was it a standard derivative or something truly unique (for better or worse)?

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Just watched the goals package - how good was the finishing!

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On 22/05/2017 at 8:07 PM, Whispering_Jack said:

The stats are out ...

Liam Hulett 2 goals 1 behind 8 kicks 4 handballs 12 disposals 3 marks 4 tackles 68 dream team points
Dion Johnstone 3 kicks 3 handballs 6 disposals 1 mark 4 tackles 32 dream team points 
Declan Keilty 1 behind 4 kicks 6 handballs 10 disposals 4 marks 7 tackles 17 hit outs 82 dream team points 
Ben Kennedy 1 goal 1 behind 16 kicks 10 handballs 26 disposals 8 marks 5 tackles 116 dream team points
Jay Kennedy-Harris 1 goal 1 behind 10 kicks 7 handballs 17 disposals 2 marks 4 tackles 73 dream team points
Mitch King 4 kicks 4 handballs 8 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 17 hit outs 49 dream team points
Jake Melksham 2 goals 1 behind 26 kicks 8 handballs 34 disposals 6 marks 8 tackles 159 dream team points.
Alex Neal-Bullen 1 goal 22 kicks 15 handballs 37 disposals 1 marks 3 tackles 118 dream team points.  
Billy Stretch 12 kicks 9 handballs 21 disposals 3 marks 2 tackles 65 dream team points.  
Jack Trengove 15 kicks 5 handballs 20 disposals 8 marks 7 tackles 107 dream team points 
Mitch White 11 kicks 4 handballs 15 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 59 dream team points

Trengove another slow day.

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31 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Trengove another slow day.

you can judge speed from statistics? impressive

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22 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

If the MFC strategy is an eventual stand-alone reserves team, then adopting the Melbourne team song makes sense. It's just part of a gradual transition such as changing the name to Casey Demons and the jumper to a modified Melbourne jumper which have both happened this year. I also don't see it as disrespectful to the Port Melbourne team. After all, only one of the teams will be singing it at the end of any game played between the two.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, what was the Casey Scorpions song? Was it a standard derivative or something truly unique (for better or worse)?

Glory Glory Alleluia !! and the flag goes marching on etc etc

Interesting that both MFC and Casey's songs are derivatives of US Civil War songs.

 

[Earl Hood 6,086]

On ‎23‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 11:18 AM, Fifty-5 said:

Plapp's write-up will be an interesting read - he usually gives something.

Reading Plapp you would think Jake M, Billy, ANB and possible Ben Ken are all in the mix for promotion. Stretch or Melch for Salem? Stretch or ANB for Kent? Good to hear Mitch KIng get a wrap for his ruck work too.

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2 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Reading Plapp you would think Jake M, Billy, ANB and possible Ben Ken are all in the mix for promotion. Stretch or Melch for Salem? Stretch or ANB for Kent? Good to hear Mitch KIng get a wrap for his ruck work too.

For a moment there I thought you were discussing cling wrap. Shows how the mind can interpret words before their true meaning becomes clear from the context.

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On 21 May 2017 at 8:57 AM, Whispering_Jack said:

Firstly, congratulations to the Casey Demons on the win - it certainly did come from left field.

Secondly, about the team song ...

We might have taken over the club but I can't agree with this - it's disrespectful to the last vestige of the old Springvale club even if very few of the old Scorpion faithful still follow Casey. But it's also disrespectful to Port Melbourne which is the oldest of the existing VFA clubs still in the competition and it makes a mockery of the fact that they've sung this song for decades in a competition where the Casey Demons have been around for five minutes. Surely, a slight rearrangement of the old Springvale/Casey song could have been an appropriate concession to history and tradition?

I defy anyone to tell me that the Casey team played fine in the year of thirty-nine!

Whilst I'm in agreement with what you are saying generally WJ, I reckon the 'anyone' you refer to would have more chance of remembering whether Casey did than the MFC

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10 hours ago, daisycutter said:

you can judge speed from statistics? impressive

Thanks dc

Really need that irony font.

I guess my slightly obscure point was that it appears that with his stats he doesn't seem to figure in any consideration for promotion and I constantly am told he is too slow.

But you probably got that.

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13 hours ago, dpositive said:

Thanks dc

Really need that irony font.

I guess my slightly obscure point was that it appears that with his stats he doesn't seem to figure in any consideration for promotion and I constantly am told he is too slow.

But you probably got that.

fwiw, i doubt he'll get a game this year. which considering his first year form, his dedication to the club and unfortunate injury is a sad outcome

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3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

fwiw, i doubt he'll get a game this year. which considering his first year form, his dedication to the club and unfortunate injury is a sad outcome

The old poster's curse. I suspect the odds of Trengove being picked this week just shortened.

[Drunkn167 5,093]

On 19 May 2017 at 1:00 AM, longsuffering said:

Talking to an opposition ruckman some weeks ago he was quite disparaging of Keilty as a ruckman. You might be on to something Mr. Jack.

Just curious, but what did this opposition ruckman have to say exactly?

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1 hour ago, Drunkn167 said:

Just curious, but what did this opposition ruckman have to say exactly?

We were talking about Max Gawn's injury and how it had affected the team structure. He said that Jake was a ruckman whereas Declan was a footballer trying to be a ruckman. I am not sure whether he made this comment because of his current physique or age. He wasn't being detrimental to Declan or Jake but it was more a comparison to Pedersen who he believed was too good to be in the VFL. He said that Pedersen was a footballer who could pinch hit if necessary and he felt that as soon as we had lost Jake, Cam should have been straight into the team. He was complimentary of Declan but not so much Jake who he said was no good with the ball at his feet which we kind of know anyway (but I think has improved in this area). I am not sure that he could criticise anyone as his knees were shot so I don't think he would be bending down to get the ball very often.

 I really started to notice Declan at Casey last year and his ferocity at the ball and I think he is a real prospect for the seniors (hopefully with us). I prefer him playing forward and I actually tried to sponsor him this year but missed out. It was interesting to hear from someone with another perspective. I hope I didn't offend. It would be difficult if you personally know the players and read some of what is written on "land". I do know one of the parents of a player that is crucified on here and I hope they never read what is said. It would be heartbreaking.

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7 hours ago, longsuffering said:

We were talking about Max Gawn's injury and how it had affected the team structure. He said that Jake was a ruckman whereas Declan was a footballer trying to be a ruckman. I am not sure whether he made this comment because of his current physique or age. He wasn't being detrimental to Declan or Jake but it was more a comparison to Pedersen who he believed was too good to be in the VFL. He said that Pedersen was a footballer who could pinch hit if necessary and he felt that as soon as we had lost Jake, Cam should have been straight into the team. He was complimentary of Declan but not so much Jake who he said was no good with the ball at his feet which we kind of know anyway (but I think has improved in this area). I am not sure that he could criticise anyone as his knees were shot so I don't think he would be bending down to get the ball very often.

 I really started to notice Declan at Casey last year and his ferocity at the ball and I think he is a real prospect for the seniors (hopefully with us). I prefer him playing forward and I actually tried to sponsor him this year but missed out. It was interesting to hear from someone with another perspective. I hope I didn't offend. It would be difficult if you personally know the players and read some of what is written on "land". I do know one of the parents of a player that is crucified on here and I hope they never read what is said. It would be heartbreaking.

Great post.... well balanced and informative

Reminds us that the players are just young men and we armchair critics need to chill out sometimes.

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23 hours ago, longsuffering said:

We were talking about Max Gawn's injury and how it had affected the team structure. He said that Jake was a ruckman whereas Declan was a footballer trying to be a ruckman. I am not sure whether he made this comment because of his current physique or age. He wasn't being detrimental to Declan or Jake but it was more a comparison to Pedersen who he believed was too good to be in the VFL. He said that Pedersen was a footballer who could pinch hit if necessary and he felt that as soon as we had lost Jake, Cam should have been straight into the team. He was complimentary of Declan but not so much Jake who he said was no good with the ball at his feet which we kind of know anyway (but I think has improved in this area). I am not sure that he could criticise anyone as his knees were shot so I don't think he would be bending down to get the ball very often.

 I really started to notice Declan at Casey last year and his ferocity at the ball and I think he is a real prospect for the seniors (hopefully with us). I prefer him playing forward and I actually tried to sponsor him this year but missed out. It was interesting to hear from someone with another perspective. I hope I didn't offend. It would be difficult if you personally know the players and read some of what is written on "land". I do know one of the parents of a player that is crucified on here and I hope they never read what is said. It would be heartbreaking.

No offense at all, as I said I was just curious as too how other people saw him as a player. Thank you very much for your insight