18 minutes ago, Satyriconhome said:

Told u before don't care who is in the team as long as they have a crack, Understand the Melksham omission, going backwards at the moment like some of the others at Essendon

You're a company-man through and through Saty. Employee of the Month for mine.

I think Wagner will miss. I really like his style of play and he has impressed me greatly BUT I don't know whether he has enough match play under his belt. If he was match hardened, I would have him in like a shot. A couple of weeks and he's in.

5 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

I think Wagner will miss. I really like his style of play and he has impressed me greatly BUT I don't know whether he has enough match play under his belt. If he was match hardened, I would have him in like a shot. A couple of weeks and he's in.

I assume sometimes players are named in the extended as a reward for VFL form and a message that they're close, but not sure why they would bother if they thought he was underdone and no realistic chance of coming in? If an injury pops up in the back-line, we can bring in whoever we like.

3 minutes ago, Skuit said:

I assume sometimes players are named in the extended as a reward for VFL form and a message that they're close, but not sure why they would bother if they thought he was underdone and no realistic chance of coming in? If an injury pops up in the back-line, we can bring in whoever we like.

 

Good comments Skuit. He may be more match conditioned than I thought.

19 minutes ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

Good comments Skuit. He may be more match conditioned than I thought.

They also haven't been afraid of bringing in players off the injury list without much conditioning. JKH for one. Hibberd, Tyson also, maybe Kent? And I'm sure a couple others that escape me right now.

In my mind, the hierarchy of Goodwin selection criteria based on the evidence to date is as follows:

Melksham

Best near future 22 or so as pencilled-in prior to the season.

Team-rules and individual KPI's.

Form/output.

Structure (when forced).

Conditioning.

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Bobby McKenzie said:

I think Wagner will miss. I really like his style of play and he has impressed me greatly BUT I don't know whether he has enough match play under his belt. If he was match hardened, I would have him in like a shot. A couple of weeks and he's in.

Hawthorn is a team you can bring in an under done player and get them match fit for next week... teams have done it with MFC for the last 10 years.

Hawthorn will be tough to beat, people are crazy if they think we will walk all over them.

Just like last week we owe these pricks, after 7 of the previous 13 wins being over 50 points including 2 100+... I've sat through all those floggings & could only dream of a day we'd flip the ledger in our favour & sink the boots into them while their down, just like they've done to us so many times. C'mon dees be ruthless.

Bury those bastards! 

Hogan, Wagner in.

Melksham, O Mac out. 

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee the desperate efforts on here to try and make the group think a reality and JKH not get a game, I'm impressed

 

my opinion of JKH needing to be replaced has purely been made up in my mind while watching games live at the ground with him not being able to hold simple marks, and not having clean hands to be able to pick the ball up off the ground.... that is all

7 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Gee the desperate efforts on here to try and make the group think a reality and JKH not get a game, I'm impressed

 

This is what people expressing their views looks like saty, notice how your comment is only a pop shot at posters with no real arguement again??

 

12 hours ago, Deestroy All said:

It's not short sighted. I watched his whole career at Essendon and said exactly what he'd be like for us. He's still the same player. Sure, 6 games for us, 6 the same as every other he's played. He won't get better. 

Had we known we would have Hibberd and Lewis as well as developing Hunt and Wagner we wouldn't have picked him up....as well as that year out of the game.

Me too nervous about this one. Hawthorn at the G are in my opinion a much tougher proposition than Freo and we know how that ended. They look good on paper and have a good team in paper with enough talent to click at anytime. Will be happy with a win of any kind

Takes Goodwin too long to make the obvious decisions.

We can't afford wasted seasons, matches or even quarters.

Slow to bring in Pedo, Frost.

Slow to drop Oscar,Melksham.

I'm particularly unimpressed with Melksham and his use of the first 6 rounds to justify recruiting him.

 

 

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Hawthorn will be tough to beat, people are crazy if they think we will walk all over them.

They have a couple of decent ins and will be fired up. We wouldn't want to start as we did against the Bombers.

9 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

They have a couple of decent ins and will be fired up. We wouldn't want to start as we did against the Bombers.

They showed they can still play well as they did against WC and our track record against sides that struggle is worse than poor. The biggest danger is what messes around inside our players heads.

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

You're a company-man through and through Saty. Employee of the Month for mine.

More a minor union minion than a company man.

8 hours ago, Satyriconhome said:

Told u before don't care who is in the team as long as they have a crack, Understand the Melksham omission, going backwards at the moment like some of the others at Essendon

 Well let's just hope that Hibberd was on the placebo!  

11 hours ago, daisycutter said:

seriously doubt we have those type of contract clauses any more. moreso after a player suffers a self imposed long suspension

One can never be sure. It's all confidential stuff.  I'm still scratching my head to how Geelong pulled off the Dangerfield deal on the cheap. 

7 hours ago, Skuit said:

I assume sometimes players are named in the extended as a reward for VFL form and a message that they're close, but not sure why they would bother if they thought he was underdone and no realistic chance of coming in? If an injury pops up in the back-line, we can bring in whoever we like.

Wagner had a thumb injury I believe. His fitness should be OK...

1 hour ago, Biffen said:

Takes Goodwin too long to make the obvious decisions.

We can't afford wasted seasons, matches or even quarters.

Slow to bring in Pedo, Frost.

Slow to drop Oscar,Melksham.

I'm particularly unimpressed with Melksham and his use of the first 6 rounds to justify recruiting him.

 

 

Not a great fan either but I can see why they might have persevered given he has been out of the game for 12m and may have needed re-acclimatising...

2 hours ago, Stretch Johnson said:

Had we known we would have Hibberd and Lewis as well as developing Hunt and Wagner we wouldn't have picked him up....as well as that year out of the game.

That's true but we had other defenders who could do the job till we developed/recruited better options.

While all the permutations were not known Melksham's limitations were.

And we didn't have to give him a 4 year contract. 

Now we are stuck with him till end 2019.  He is rapidly becoming a depth player and if not careful will be a list clogger, taking up valuable salary cap.

23 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Wagner had a thumb injury I believe. His fitness should be OK...

Don't forget he dislocated (or similar) his fibula in a tackle in the first JLT match when he laid that tackle on the boundary line. That may have influenced it a little. I believe when he was about to come back he did the thumb, and i agree, he would be able to continue running etc.

Seven pages, lots of discussion about whether the named 18 will necessarily start...and has no-one mentioned that Hogan is no certainty? Of course I hope he plays (but only if he's ready). Goodwin has made clear that Hogan's been selected but he (Hogan) is yet to confirm that he's ready to play. Goodwin might be playing games, and he might just be making these comments to take the pressure of Jesse to give him all the time he needs. Oscar on the bench might be there in case Hogan doesn't play so we can keep the structure we used successfully last week.  

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

 Well let's just hope that Hibberd was on the placebo!  

Oops

I forgot - placebo is only used in ethically conducted clinical drug trials.